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NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 08:18 PM Apr 2012

Is this a special effect or are MAGNETS FREAKING AWESOME?????


I love these magnets and just this weekend I saw the clip posted below linked in a "Make Magazine" article.

A Neodymium Magnet dropping through a thick-wall copper tube falls VERY SLOWLY.... So I got some pipe and have been amazing everyone at school!!!

Actually, I am looking for a thicker copper tube like what is used in this demonstration. Observe:



















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Is this a special effect or are MAGNETS FREAKING AWESOME????? (Original Post) NYC_SKP Apr 2012 OP
Way cool. Graybeard Apr 2012 #1
Copper is weakly magnetic siligut Apr 2012 #3
Part of what makes it cool is that explanation is completely wrong. tclambert Apr 2012 #12
That is really cool siligut Apr 2012 #14
The magnet passing by the copper creates an electromagnetic field ahead of itself.... NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #4
Counterintuitive but not at all paradoxical caraher Apr 2012 #5
Very cool! (nt) NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #6
Great name for a rock band jonthebru Apr 2012 #8
I got magnets for my kid to play with. Just loved them. Also took speaker magnets for play, too. freshwest Apr 2012 #9
A consequence of Lenz's law ... eppur_se_muova Apr 2012 #10
That's REALLY cool! Suich Apr 2012 #2
And it never fails. chollybocker Apr 2012 #7
Some newer roller coasters use this effect for braking. tclambert Apr 2012 #11
Doesn't really work with non Neodymium ones jakeXT Apr 2012 #13
Yes, actually, it does. NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #15
I noticed it's working better when you stack the magnets and the height of the magnetic object jakeXT Apr 2012 #17
In experiments, I've found an ideal range... NYC_SKP Apr 2012 #20
This is all so fascinating to me. I'm not educated in it, but it's still interesting. northoftheborder Apr 2012 #16
Notice, then the magnet is put in the tube intaglio Apr 2012 #18
Trippy! Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2012 #19
I am so very sorry. dawg Apr 2012 #21

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
12. Part of what makes it cool is that explanation is completely wrong.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 06:50 AM
Apr 2012

A moving magnet creates electrical "eddy" currents in the copper. Those eddy currents then create an electromagnetic field opposite to the original magnetic field.

siligut

(12,272 posts)
14. That is really cool
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 07:23 AM
Apr 2012

So gravity makes the magnet move and it is the movement that causes the reaction? That is so cool, thank you for explaining it so neatly and clearly.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
4. The magnet passing by the copper creates an electromagnetic field ahead of itself....
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 09:02 PM
Apr 2012

...which actually REPELS the magnet; slows it's passage down.

It's really paradoxical, and COOL!

caraher

(6,279 posts)
5. Counterintuitive but not at all paradoxical
Fri Apr 20, 2012, 10:52 PM
Apr 2012

Essentially, the eddy currents induced in the copper create a magnetic field directed opposite that of the falling magnet. I use a really long tube demonstrating this in classes.



Here's a really remarkable demonstration of the same basic effect (this time with a stationary magnet):



Yeah, it still seems like magic even when you know the physics!

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
9. I got magnets for my kid to play with. Just loved them. Also took speaker magnets for play, too.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 01:32 AM
Apr 2012

We're all electric beings of light, or something like it.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
15. Yes, actually, it does.
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 08:32 AM
Apr 2012

It is slightly less effective with the black rare earth magnets, but seems to work best with plated neodymium.

Thickness of the copper, however, is everything here.

Even a loose fitting 3/4" within a 1" schedule L Home Depot fit is slower than the 3/"4 inch alone, so I can't wait to get some heavy 1/4" wall tube, or thicker.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
17. I noticed it's working better when you stack the magnets and the height of the magnetic object
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 11:31 AM
Apr 2012

increases.

Still, I haver never seen a neodymium magnet.




 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
20. In experiments, I've found an ideal range...
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 10:13 PM
Apr 2012

In stacking magnets, beyond a height of about 1.5 x diameter the effect diminishes.

Also, I've used square and rectangular shape magnets, too.

I imagine an ideal magnet would be hollow core and 1.5 x diameter in height.

Wall thickness is where I get a lot of improvement.

intaglio

(8,170 posts)
18. Notice, then the magnet is put in the tube
Sat Apr 21, 2012, 02:02 PM
Apr 2012

The guy spins it, just a flick of the fingers but a spin nevertheless ...

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