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Otto_Harper

(495 posts)
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 11:54 AM Sep 3

The next time some MAGA (or Libertarian) Moron Tells you that Government Regulations

or Fire Codes or Building Codes just get in the way of business, raise the cost of doing business, or interfere with business in general, show them this video.


The next time some MAGA (or Libertarian) Moron Tells you that Government Regulations (Original Post) Otto_Harper Sep 3 OP
and don't forget the kollapsing kondos in DeSantisland. CurtEastPoint Sep 3 #1
I'm the EV and ESS (Electricity Storage System) specialist Rural_Progressive Sep 3 #2
That aluminum-styrofoam cladding on the buildings doesn't help Warpy Sep 3 #3
No question about that Rural_Progressive Sep 3 #4
You could be correct about that Warpy Sep 3 #5
Lots of issues Rural_Progressive Sep 3 #7
It almost brings to mind a Rod Serling intro: Otto_Harper Sep 3 #8
Man, you totally nailed that. It would be a lot funnier if it weren't so spot on. Rural_Progressive Sep 3 #9
Happened in London, too, due to flammable exterior cladding. Martin68 Sep 3 #6

Rural_Progressive

(1,105 posts)
2. I'm the EV and ESS (Electricity Storage System) specialist
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 12:52 PM
Sep 3

for my local fire department. I see fires this horrific in multi-story buildings and I see thermal runaway events with Li ion batteries as a likely starting point. When electric scooter batteries go into thermal runaway the fire's temperature can reach over 700 degrees F in less than a second.

NYC is dealing with more and more of these fires so it would be no surprise if the Chinese are dealing with similar situations.

Warpy

(109,624 posts)
3. That aluminum-styrofoam cladding on the buildings doesn't help
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 01:15 PM
Sep 3

The stuff burns fast and hot and produces incredibly toxic smoke.



Rural_Progressive

(1,105 posts)
4. No question about that
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 02:26 PM
Sep 3

What I'm suggesting is that Li ion batteries provide an ignition source that is so hot and so intense that all that fuel was immediately involved. The difference between a smoldering grass fire vs a fire in dense fuel with flames jumping from tree crown to crown.

Warpy

(109,624 posts)
5. You could be correct about that
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 02:29 PM
Sep 3

They know why such fires are happening but I don't see much of a solution in the offing beyond telling people not to drop them.

Rural_Progressive

(1,105 posts)
7. Lots of issues
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 02:54 PM
Sep 3

bouncing them around on your e-bike, e-scooter, e-skateboard is certainly one. Other issues: poorly constructed cells, charging too quickly, mis-matched chargers are some that come immediately to mind. Another problem, the heat wave currently affecting most of Asia is adding to the potential for failure.

Just a lot of bad things all coming together at once.

Otto_Harper

(495 posts)
8. It almost brings to mind a Rod Serling intro:
Sun Sep 3, 2023, 03:44 PM
Sep 3

Picture, if you will, a parking garage under an average office building, in an average town, on an average day. Little did the people who were charging their EV's underground, all grouped together, know that one of those vehicles had a battery pack from Mars, with no cooling system. Neither did the rest of the occupants of the building. Please review our current offering as we view the visit of the entire building,and its occupants, to the "Thermal Runaway Zone".

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