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Watch As Capitol Security Chiefs Testify About Jan. 6 (Original Post) turbinetree Feb 2021 OP
Names of those who testify: ancianita Feb 2021 #1
Who was more unprepared bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #2
They were all unprepared, the unpreparedness of top bosses who weren't decisive based on intel, imo. ancianita Feb 2021 #4
Makes sense to me. bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #11
... ancianita Feb 2021 #12
other sources for hearing this testimony NJCher Feb 2021 #3
Your welcome .............. turbinetree Feb 2021 #5
Portman - 'Capitol Police didn't have the training'. notinkansas Feb 2021 #6
Portman should be asking where is the orange hair golf guy in Florida turbinetree Feb 2021 #7
They were vastly underinformed, as well. Portman is blaming the victims of bad intel management. ancianita Feb 2021 #9
Exactly. notinkansas Feb 2021 #13
Johnson is a dick. louis-t Feb 2021 #8
he was more angry about his letter not being answered NJCher Feb 2021 #10

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
1. Names of those who testify:
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 11:57 AM
Feb 2021

Steven Sund, who was the chief of the Capitol Police;
Michael Stenger, who was the Senate sergeant-at-arms, and
Paul Irving, who was the House sergeant-at-arms;
Robert Contee, acting chief of the Washington, D.C., Metropolitan Police Dept.

General direction of the questions:
What was known in advance,
What steps were taken,
What happened.

Next week's hearing will have witnesses from federal agencies, the FBI, DHS, and DoD.



bucolic_frolic

(43,301 posts)
2. Who was more unprepared
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:01 PM
Feb 2021

The guys who couldn't get it done, or the guys who couldn't prevent it from happening?

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
4. They were all unprepared, the unpreparedness of top bosses who weren't decisive based on intel, imo.
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:25 PM
Feb 2021

Those bosses' mental unpreparedness, along with Trump's abdication of CiC help, caused much of the rest of unpreparedness.
Those bosses acted like bureaucrats, being uncommunicative to the 3 here about the FBI's intel. They all said "No." to the question of whether or not they got the FBI intel from the night before.

Bad judgment by the bureaucrats who interface intel with on-the-ground forces.
So they all ended up failing to judge the crowd and the planning behind it, because CPD's terrorism joint task force squashed the FBI's Jan 5 intel.

So, because "normal" advance procedures were in force, not "emergency" procedures, they failed to harden the perimeter, arm the CPD personnel, and being embattled and injured after at least four hours, failed to make arrests.

That's the way I see it. The whole FBI to JTTP to CPD uses too weak a chain of information -- too many bureaucratic deciders -- to act to prepare on-the-ground operations appropriately. Which isn't noticed until a severe riot crowd shows up. And even then, no new Plan B of operational forces are sped up to surround such a riot crowd and detain them for interrogations -- no Nat'l Guard deployment, no arms distribution, no buses for rounding up rioters, etc.

If the funders and enablers of these rioters had known more about CPD personnel, they might have somewhat succeeded in their desired takeover of democracy.

bucolic_frolic

(43,301 posts)
11. Makes sense to me.
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 01:41 PM
Feb 2021

In the days prior to Jan 6, I saw several posts, one or two on Twitter I think, that specifically said the size of the CPD force was inadequate, even after I think it was a few thousand National Guard troops were added, and no one knew at the time the NG would be not be utilized.

Trump's frozen appointees were almost equivalent to a stand down order.

Was "Stand back" and "stand by" verbage to cue them in? As if they knew any defenses would be weak, and Trump's words were in the debates, months before.

ancianita

(36,137 posts)
12. ...
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 02:21 PM
Feb 2021
Was "Stand back" and "stand by" verbage to cue them in?


They saw it that way. We saw it that way, too. The fact that he repeatedly told them who and where to "fight like hell" was their real cue to act.

He was glad they saw it that way since we all saw that very phrase on all their clothing and online merch, right? Could they surmise that he'd help them? Of course. They trusted that enforcement backup might be weak, but they didn't take chances on that and came in big numbers once they found out how many police there would be there.
They came without lethal weapons, but also planned to come with whatever could be seen as innocent, yet be turned into weapons -- poles, fire extinguishers, ramming boards, plexiglass and other "protective" gear.

NJCher

(35,742 posts)
3. other sources for hearing this testimony
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:10 PM
Feb 2021

First, thank you turbinetree, because this is exactly what I was looking for. I searched my TV channel lineup and couldn't find any of the news stations broadcasting this.

If anyone is having trouble getting this stream, there are quite a number covering it at youtube. I used "capitol security hearings" as my search term and found at least 10.

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
5. Your welcome ..............
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:38 PM
Feb 2021

its on MSNBC and it is amazing how they haven't called the golf guy in to testify and lay this right at his treasonous feet

notinkansas

(1,096 posts)
6. Portman - 'Capitol Police didn't have the training'.
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:41 PM
Feb 2021

How on earth do you train unarmed officers to manage a mob when they are vastly outnumbered?

turbinetree

(24,720 posts)
7. Portman should be asking where is the orange hair golf guy in Florida
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:46 PM
Feb 2021

that said he wanted to walk down to the capital and lead the way............

louis-t

(23,297 posts)
8. Johnson is a dick.
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:50 PM
Feb 2021

Now he's trying to say that the mob was 'provoked' by someone other than the orange asshole.
They were "festive" and "positive", not "angry".

NJCher

(35,742 posts)
10. he was more angry about his letter not being answered
Tue Feb 23, 2021, 12:59 PM
Feb 2021

than he was the assault on the Capitol. He rushed through his content, it seemed, just so he could get to that moment where he couid call everyone out about not answering his letter.

Gotta' reserve time for assuaging sensitive retrumplican egos.

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