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KY_EnviroGuy

(14,498 posts)
Sat Dec 5, 2020, 04:26 PM Dec 2020

Massive Fire Breaks Out In NYC Destroying Historic East Village Church



Massive Fire Breaks Out In NYC Destroying Historic East Village Church | NBC News
•Dec 5, 2020
NBC News

Video shows Middle Collegiate Church engulfed in flames after a fire broke out in the East Village. The fire initially broke out at a vacant five-story building before spreading to the church.

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Sad news anytime but especially near the holidays and during a pandemic. Hoping no one is injured or killed.

KY
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Massive Fire Breaks Out In NYC Destroying Historic East Village Church (Original Post) KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2020 OP
Strange Audio Comment after 40 second mark. ProgressiveKnight Dec 2020 #1
"Vacant 5 story apartment building" CanonRay Dec 2020 #2
Is it owned by jarvanka? 2naSalit Dec 2020 #3
I've only seen that Tiffany stained flass window from the outside Warpy Dec 2020 #4
Not sure it was possible to see them from the inside... regnaD kciN Dec 2020 #5
They were Louis Comfort Tiffany windows Warpy Dec 2020 #6
Oh no! How tragic! smirkymonkey Dec 2020 #7
Good article on it here, SM.... KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2020 #8
Thanks for that KY Enviro Guy. smirkymonkey Dec 2020 #9
Another addition to the 2020 list of suckfest events. thucythucy Dec 2020 #10
Notre Dame fire was April, 2019. KY_EnviroGuy Dec 2020 #11
That's an excellent idea, though that will take funds Rhiannon12866 Dec 2020 #12
All this suckiness these past years thucythucy Dec 2020 #13
no reports of Jeeezus blowing out the flames with his magic breath magicguido Dec 2020 #14
1. Strange Audio Comment after 40 second mark.
Sat Dec 5, 2020, 04:35 PM
Dec 2020

Listen after the 40 second mark. I heard someone say "to kill time that is what we are here for!" Was that NYFD? Or camera crew of news or onlookers?

Warpy

(111,414 posts)
4. I've only seen that Tiffany stained flass window from the outside
Sat Dec 5, 2020, 06:08 PM
Dec 2020

but it was still painful to watch it being destroyed.

regnaD kciN

(26,045 posts)
5. Not sure it was possible to see them from the inside...
Sat Dec 5, 2020, 07:20 PM
Dec 2020

It appears the organ completely blocked those three windows.

I'm not even sure they were by Tiffany. There were a number of other Tiffany windows in the church, along the sides of the building. Ironically, since the church had apartment buildings built (presumably long after the church itself) right up against it on either side, completely cutting off sunlight, all of those windows were artificially backlit.

Warpy

(111,414 posts)
6. They were Louis Comfort Tiffany windows
Sun Dec 6, 2020, 01:00 AM
Dec 2020

I looked it up today because I vaguely remember being told about them.

It's the large stained glass window in the front that was visible from the street that I'm talking about. It was horrible to see the glass falling out, it's a terrible loss.

There's a mention here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/05/nyregion/church-fire-nyc.html

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
7. Oh no! How tragic!
Sun Dec 6, 2020, 01:44 AM
Dec 2020

I know that church. What a loss of a beautiful, historic building. When I first read your headline, I was hoping it was not going to be St. Mark's Church, which would have been just as devastating.

Not only was this an amazing and historic building, but the congregation was also very progressive and socially active. My heart goes out to them. I wonder where they will find a new home.

This is right in the heart of the East Village/Ukraininan Village. It is really such a tragedy for all New Yorkers to have lost such an architechtural and historic gem. Not to mention how devastating it must be for the congregation who belonged there.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,498 posts)
8. Good article on it here, SM....
Sun Dec 6, 2020, 02:22 AM
Dec 2020
Historic New York church housing Liberty Bell gutted by massive fire

Middle Collegiate Church in East Village built in 1892
Bell that rang for independence in 1776 believed to survive


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/05/new-york-middle-collegiate-church-liberty-bell-fire

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A historic church in lower Manhattan that houses New York’s Liberty Bell and whose congregation dates to the city’s earliest days was gutted early on Saturday by a massive fire that sent flames shooting through the roof.

The Middle Collegiate Church in the East Village burned before dawn after a fire spread from an adjacent five-story vacant building at around 5am. Flames shot from the roof and the church’s stately front window glowed from the blaze inside
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Built in 1892, the church is home to the oldest congregation of the Collegiate Churches of New York, which date to the Dutch settlement of the island in the 1620s, according to the church’s website. The Middle Collegiate Church had been in two other locations in Manhattan since 1729.

The bell tower houses New York’s Liberty Bell, which pealed to mark the birth of the United States of America in 1776 and has been rung for the inaugurations and deaths of American presidents and events such as remembrance of the 9/11 attacks.

Lewis believed the bell survived the fire but was not certain. Church minister Amanda Ashcraft told WABC the Tiffany stained glass windows were gone.

That is indeed heartbreaking. It's not just the loss of a historic building and furnishings but also the heart of a close-knit community. Perhaps after the pandemic, they can think about rebuilding.

KY......
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
9. Thanks for that KY Enviro Guy.
Sun Dec 6, 2020, 04:40 AM
Dec 2020

I appreciate the additional history. It really saddens me all the way around. I loved that neighborhood and spent a lot of time there when I lived in NYC. This is really going to take a toll.

I am very saddened for the congregation, but they can and will regroup and find a new home. The history and the architechtural treasures are gone forever. In case you couldn't tell, I am a staunch preservationist and it just breaks my heart to see old buildings destroyed. I am a die hard fan of Jane Jacobs and an eternal enemy of Robert Moses.

thucythucy

(8,109 posts)
10. Another addition to the 2020 list of suckfest events.
Sun Dec 6, 2020, 04:08 PM
Dec 2020

Wasn't it this year that Notre Dame in Paris also burned?

Rhiannon12866

(206,554 posts)
12. That's an excellent idea, though that will take funds
Sun Dec 6, 2020, 11:20 PM
Dec 2020

And obviously Notre Dame is famous enough to have worldwide recognition. Both are historical tragedies.

thucythucy

(8,109 posts)
13. All this suckiness these past years
Mon Dec 7, 2020, 08:50 AM
Dec 2020

has been rolled in my mind into one giant ball of terminal suck.

But thanks for the correction, and consulting with the folks who are rebuilding Notre Dame is a very good idea.

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