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zebonaut

(3,688 posts)
2. smoking in your car is not illegal
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 02:59 PM
Jul 2015

She wasn't subservient enough to the white officer and thus challenged his authority

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
3. Yes and he did not order her to put out her cigarette.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 03:18 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:42 PM - Edit history (1)

He asked her a question... "You mind putting out your cigarette, please?" He didn't like her answer (she didn't refuse-just answered his question with a question) and immediately became aggressive with her.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
4. This is a textbook case of a cop escalating the situation....
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 03:26 PM
Jul 2015

It should be played nation-wide as a training film in police academies as an example of what NOT to do.

Not only should the cop be ARRESTED for assault and battery but anyone defending his actions should be FIRED. There should be an immediate filing of murder charges against everyone in the department to get them to point to who killed her.

She said she was looking forward to going to court on this to sue their asses. I picture them killing her not only to save their jobs but to save the money from a lawsuit where it's OBVIOUS that she would win.

This can't be left to the local District Attorney because they are in bed with the cops. They ALWAYS claim the cops did nothing wrong and are willing to throw the case to prevent a finding of wrongdoing. The same goes for leaving it to a grand jury. Those are a rubber stamp for the cops too.

 

zebonaut

(3,688 posts)
5. She is allowed to be irritated she was stopped; and she is allowed to smoke.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 03:47 PM
Jul 2015

she also forgot her card that day:

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
6. The Civil War never really ended did it ? 150 years ago this picture would be framing a black
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jul 2015

hanging by the neck from the tree with the good Christian , church going citizens smiling to each other
saying " praise the Lord we will save the white race from these ungodly heathens .

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
7. Just stop a minute.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 04:22 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:00 PM - Edit history (1)

As a middle-aged white woman, I was arrested by two local cops as I was coming out of a public library because "someone" had called the borough police and reported that someone who "looked drunk" had gone into the local library. There were not one, but two town cops (obviously a slow day in local crime) checking out everyone who exited. I had spent the earlier afternoon providing wine (granted a larger bottle) to lunch with an old friend who was visiting. I was walking a number of blocks because I DIDN'T want to drive after a a drinking lunch. I was arrested by a sniff of my breath and because I had a bottle of half consumed wine on my person. There was no recording taken of my blood alcohol content; nothing to indicate my "drunkenness" beyond an anonymous call. I certainly would never have walked past two local cops had I felt in any way impaired. I paid a minor fine, but the damaging thing was the report in the local newspaper. I don't suspect any big plot against me, but I do suspect (irrelevant here) a person who might have wanted to embarrass me.
The major point here: I would never be loud and argumentative with a cop (especially a local one), no matter how unfair he/she is being. This assumes that you are dealing with a rational person just because of the uniform worn. If I were Black, there is no way (in TEXAS?) I would be hostile. This citation could be dealt with later: take a deep breath and get OUT of the situation. Years ago my former husband and I were "Yankees" living and traveling around several southern states (and made some lifelong friends). Nonetheless, you just didn't argue with the local law. To any Black activist: no matter how outrageous the situation, tamp it down and deal with the injustice later. This is not 1960-something, but can end up as deadly.

higherarkies

(34 posts)
9. The problem with this mentality, as I see it,
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 07:06 PM
Jul 2015

is where does it go from there?

If a cop can blow things out of proportion and "cop an attitude" and possibly make an arrest if a person refuses to put out a cigarette, which legally the cop in this case had no right to ask (or tell) tell Bland to do, what is to stop a cop from blowing things out of proportion and "copping an attitude" if during a traffic stop the cop should ask (or order) me (or you, or anybody) to drop to my knees and give said cop a blow job and that request/order is refused?

Where does it end? Should the public always be submissive to cops, no matter what, and/or how illegal, their request/demand/order might be?

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
11. You are absolutely correct.
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:28 PM
Jul 2015

It's tragic these days, however. Too many recent events make it clear that something has to change. It SHOULDN'T have to be your rights or your life, and in Ms. Bland's case, her arrest, no matter how unwarranted, was obviously not the end of it. THAT is even more scary. My take was due to the offscreen audio. DWB? A local (possibly ANY) cop in uniform may be no safer to verbally confront than an average, armed "citizen," who's possibly nuts, in some parts of this nation
You don't tug on Superman's cape; you don't spit in the wind...etc. SO wrong, but sadly true. Our election of an articulate. (half) black POTUS, has really brought out the crazy bigots.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
10. Most people smoke with the windows cracked or down. Has anybody who can,
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:30 PM
Jul 2015

checked on the direction that the wind was blowing? It could be that the cop was using a lying excuse of cigarette smoke to open her door with his taser next to her body.

joanbarnes

(1,722 posts)
12. Her comments to the cop were correct and she had a solid lawsuit-so she had to die.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:09 AM
Jul 2015

They need to check the cop's whereabouts on Monday morning.

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