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What we really need today. (Original Post)
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2013
OP
I expect the first high speed rail to be between DC and FOX "News" studios in NYC.
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2013
#2
Not to disagree, but that wasn't because they cared. It was because we had hungry children marching
jtuck004
Aug 2013
#4
We had a President that invited the right people into the White House....
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2013
#5
Preceeded by several decades of a LOT of people dying and marching in the streets,
jtuck004
Aug 2013
#6
While people were fighting and dying in the streets. But if one wants to sit on their ass and
jtuck004
Aug 2013
#13
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)1. Back when the PTB
cared about the infrastructure of the US.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)2. I expect the first high speed rail to be between DC and FOX "News" studios in NYC.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)4. Not to disagree, but that wasn't because they cared. It was because we had hungry children marching
past the White House, thousands of people marching in the streets, people joining in labor revolts...in other words, because people got up off their ass and made it uncomfortable for the pirates to continue stealing their money.
What we are getting today is the result of people sitting on their ass and not refusing to support the bastards that they are giving their money, blood, sweat, tears, children, and property to.
Rich people, people with power, mostly don't care, don't give a flying rat's ass about you or me or anyone else, and they never, never, ever will. They act out of their own self-interest. And until people pull their head out and realize that this is the ONLY motivation they have ever acted for, that the people around one who suggest otherwise may not really be one's friends, we lose.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)5. We had a President that invited the right people into the White House....
Liberals.
But then, that was before the Cold War when anyone to the Left of Nixon was considered a Commie.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)6. Preceeded by several decades of a LOT of people dying and marching in the streets,
without which FDR or anyone else would have been able to do nothing.
And, frankly, it's been argued and supported that FDR, the backstabbing AF of L under Gompers, and business enacted those "reforms" to co-opt people who wanted the people themselves to be making the decisions, along the lines of what the industrial unions were fighting an dying for.
The history of the UE sure leads itself to that conclusion.
The history of the 20's, and seeing how progressives and others got themselves into government positions adds even more credence to that.
And that, perhaps, is why such history is no longer taught - it's much easier to sweep it under the rug and pretend it was all out of the goodness of someone's heart, and, thus, there is no way such methods could be used to create real change.
Handy...
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)11. Preceeded by 12 years of Laissez Faire Capitalism....
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)13. While people were fighting and dying in the streets. But if one wants to sit on their ass and
hope a good person can get in and change things...oh, wait, seems some got their wish.
Without the people, they ain't shit.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)14. The problem is the revisionist history of Republicans....
According to them, taxing the rich and the public works programs made a small recession into The Great Depression.
They have a warped sense of history anyway. They claim the Great Depression didn't end until WWII. But then, their economic indicators are the take home pay of the idle rich.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)15. Bah. Many of them are a waste of time and perfectly good skin. Their reality is as warped as
their cold, shrivelled hearts. You and I know the facts, but those matter little to them.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)7. 1932 in front of the WH.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)9. That's how we got FDR....
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)8. "Hear the wail of the children!". Mother Jones took kids on a march
from Philadelphia to Teddy Roosevelt's home on Long Island to highlight the plight of 100,000 child laborers, their hunger and pain.
http://www.democracynow.org/2003/7/28/mother_jones_march_of_the_mill
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/07/27/1226994/-Hellraisers-Journal-Mother-Jones-Hear-the-wail-of-the-children-Never-a-chance-to-go-to-school#
These are just some of the actions, built from 1865 onward, that put continuing and mounting pressure on people who "cared".
None of the people in power did jack out of the goodness of their hearts - it was years of struggle and death that moved them to give back a little bit of what the people had already worked for and lost to the bastards.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)10. Just look at the South where they were getting prison labor....
Wait,...."were"?
Gus Lammas
(61 posts)3. Dang, I thought you meant love!
But infrastructure is cool, too.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)12. We used to lead but thanks to Republicans we have to catch up.