Lawrence O’Donnell Blasts Ron Paul As ‘Fake Libertarian’

[Tx4obama]

VIDEO here:http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lawrence-odonnell-blasts-ron-paul-as-fake-libertarian/

... a jab at Paul’s notoriously enthusiastic supporters, noting that “love is blind” and accusing them of “getting so high on Ron Paul love” when he mentions his support for legalization that they miss or overlook his opinions on other matters ...

Oh, this is REALLY GOOD

[elleng]

1. I disagree with Lawrence on this,

insofar as Paul didn't advocate governmental involvement in his so-called 'immorality.'

[Owlet]

2. So do I

Paul is a pure libertarian. The problem he and others in that group face is that their 19th century utopian beliefs are incompatible with 21st century reality. What might have worked to some degree in a more or less rural nation of 50 or 60 million just won't work in an urbanized population of over 300 million

[Dokkie]

3. "Paul is a pure libertarian"

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How can you even say that with a straight face? Ron Paul is at best a small and I mean really tiny L libertarian. For god sake, the man believes we should abide by the agreement made 100s of years of ago by people who were not born when it was written, he believes in states rights and yes states as in a less form of federal govt dictating the lives of people through popular vote aka mob rule.

The truth is that he is not a libertarian but just a conservative with libertarian leaning aka constitutional conservatives. You cannot support the state and still be called a pure libertarian. Also I have noticed that Lawrence O'Donald doesn't exactly understand what it means to be a libertarian, to be a libertarian doesn't mean one must have think positively of drugs, gay marriage, prostitution, gambling, profit making or other so called vices restricted/banned in our society, all he has to do to avoid being called a hypocritical libertarian is oppose govt control/regulations of it. They can in fact support private organization who discourage the use of contraception and still be true to libertarianism.

Sometimes Lawrence gets blinded by his hatred of republicans to think straight.

[Owlet]

4. Okay..I'll bite

What's your definition of a Libertarian, pure or otherwise? Here's the one used by the Libertarian Party.

http://www.lp.org/faq

[Dokkie]

5. Very simply

I would have said an anti state political ideology but the definition in the link would suffice. Even with this either definition, he is not a pure libertarian especially since he support so many of the state powers, powers to tax, powers to judge and imprison citizens etc etc. But the main flaw with Lawrence's segment is that Ron Paul has never claimed to be a libertarian, watch him and he never actually says it. People in the media call him the libertarian republican but describes himself as leaning libertarian when given a chance.

Finally individual liberty includes the freedom to be a racist, sexist, anti semetic, homophobic, greedy, selfish etc etc freedom tends to cut both ways and that is what Lawrence and most people just dont understand

[Owlet]

6. It looks to me as though your definition of Libertarianism is closer to this

"Anarchism is generally defined as the political philosophy which holds the state to be undesirable, unnecessary, and harmful, or alternatively as opposing authority and hierarchical organization in the conduct of human relations. Proponents of anarchism, known as "anarchists", advocate stateless societies based on non-hierarchical voluntary associations."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

But, hey - what do I know? I'm just a garden-variety Democrat..

[liberal from boston]

7. Ron Paul

In that segment Lawrence was waiting for Ron Paul to state that as a true libertarian that the Government should not intervene in contraception and sexual matters between consenual adults. Instead Ron Paul chose to talk the Republican talking points about how it is not the birth control pills but immorality thsy led to use of birth control pills & even went further by linking it to guns by stating that criminals kill not guns which could lead to a conclusion that the use of birth control medication is criminal. In the video you can see Rick Santorum nodding in agreement.