Total Collapse! Buildup to WWIII

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

[Laelth]

1. I think this map is instructive.

The stars are U.S. military bases. One might just suspect that Iran is going down ... sooner or later.



-Laelth

[RKP5637]

3. Yep, I've seen this map before, connecting the dots it's pretty

clear to see the intention ...

[Civilization2]

6. This map is stunningly clear. And yet some are swayed by the war drums; "nuclear threat" bla bla,.

Clearly the US is the aggressor (big time!, thanks Dick.),. how could this possibly be seen ANY other way? There are not Iranian military bases surrounding the US of A, it is clearly the otherway around!

[Laelth]

10. Geopolitics can be ugly.

The fact is that our allies are absolutely dependent on oil from the Middle East, and they support us in exchange for our continual efforts to insure that their supply of oil is not disrupted.

Iran is a threat to this system, and we must protect our allies.

It's ugly, and it's creating terrorism, but I think we have little choice.

-Laelth

[Civilization2]

12. Really? Little choice?? Sounds like Junky logic; "Gotta' mug that old woman, need my fix..,"

"Iran is a threat to this system" How exactly? Is it that they do not sell their (or is it our?) oil in US$?

Yeah, seems Saddam Hussein did that same thing, stopped selling oil in US dollars, was overthrown by USA,. then Libya, same result,. must be a pattern here somewhere,. .

But really, oil needs to stop being wasted like it is, once it is gone it is gone! We really should be using what is left to build systems that will provide clean energy into the future. Not just burning it up fast as possible, to "drive the economy", and make a 1% even more rich and powerful. But that is just logical, and thus could not work right?

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Degrowth, Slow Money, Permaculture, Relocalize,. the solutions do exist. The sun is, and has been, providing way more than all the energy we could ever need, and we burn old fossils to kill the ecosystem. Strange logic these funny hairless monkeys employ. Strange indeed.

[Laelth]

14. I hear you. Seriously, I do.

I do not like to think of myself as a hawk. I do not advocate war. I hate even the thought of advocating war.

But these are the facts: Western Civilization is completely dependent upon oil. Japan has no oil. France has no oil. Germany has no oil. The U.K. has oil fields in the North Sea, but even they are forced to import oil. Whether this is a good thing or not (and it almost certainly is a bad thing) is beside the point. Our allies rely on us to insure a steady supply of oil. Iran is a threat to that dynamic. Thus, we are well-positioned to crush Iran should the need arise.

I may not like it, but I do understand it.

-Laelth

[Civilization2]

15. If you understand it, you need to oppose it.

No thinking free person should be able to tolerate the idea that the US can or should "crush Iran should the need arise". You are aware that there are people living there right? You do know that just like here these people have very little say in to how their government runs things, right?

Killing people of dirty oil is not justifiable.

Also; "completely dependent upon oil" is a bit of a lie,. perhaps the corporate-military is "completely dependent upon oil" but most people need not be,. simple changes in our living patterns, and flipping the govt welfare from the oil industry to the sustainable solutions that already exist, is all that stands between "completely dependent upon oil" and living in balance with reality. No crushing of peoples required. None.

If you really do understand it, then oppose it, and support what is right.

[Laelth]

16. I respect where you are coming from.

On the other hand, I value Western Civilization, and I value our allies. I value France. I value Japan. I value the U.K. I value Germany, and, most importantly, I value the United States. Our entire civilization will collapse, leading to untold misery for a billion people or more, if oil from the Middle East stops flowing.

I must balance my humanitarian concerns for the innocent people of Iran with my concern for the innocent people of the nations I mentioned above. There is no easy answer to this question, but I do admire your idealism and your ethics.

-Laelth

[Civilization2]

17. You do realise that "Oil from the Middle East" will stop flowing since it is a depletable resource?

Oil is a resource that is LIMITED and will run out,. I know stunning! This is a fact,. look into it.

Thanks for the admiration of embracing reality,. however there is really no need for "untold misery for a billion people" since the fear you are holding is predicated on a lie. The lie is that we the people can not live without the corporate-fascist state and the malls of shit they push,. the needs of human life are rather simple; water, food, shelter, in that order. nothing too complex.

The lies you have been fed, let you rationalise the "crushing" of 74.8 million people to keep up this lie of corporate consumerism? You keep saying that you see where I am coming from, however I see that you don't,. you are missing the crucial point that people anywhere in the world are just as valuable and important,. being from the "exceptional" nation of war and destruction does not impart any special value,. america has no super humans,. in fact just the opposite as you have shown.

Sorry if I am being harsh but your words do warrant it. War is not justifiable, not for oil, not for power. These are wrong minded goals,. and will not and should not be supported.

[Laelth]

19. Indeed, oil will run out.

Until it does, I suspect we will defend it.

By all means, continue to rail against war and violence and all the atrocities that plague the human species. I look forward to a world without these things.

But I can't "not see" the things I clearly see.

Thanks for your engagement on this important topic.

-Laelth

[DeSwiss]

2. That change is coming, is for certain.....

...but I believe that the way things will go will be left up to us. Not ''nations.''

- Nations are all Granfalloons.....

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Don't believe anybody else's BS

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[Spitfire of ATJ]

4. If anything, the first place to be hit will be China....

They are the ones who have been amassing vast amounts of wealth.

When India was attacked by the British Empire it was the wealthiest nation on earth from centuries of selling tea. All that wealth was "returned" (looted).

It's like going into a bar for a drink, paying for the drink and then holding up the bartender before you leave to get your money back. Then thinking you can go in the next night and do it again,...because it's YOUR money after all and you are much more important than some bartender.

[fasttense]

8. The elites in China are amassing the wealth.

Just like the elites here in the US and in most countries. A handful of power crazy uber rich banksters want to take over the whole world and they have done a pretty good job of it so far. Using a fake or real emergency to push through the elites' agenda is similar to what is explained in the Shock doctrine.

So using your assumption, the wealthiest are attacked first, then the uber rich will be the ones who will be attacked first. But that is NOT what normally happens. It's usually the poorest people and countries, the most disadvantaged, that are attacked first. Hitler did NOT start with the US, and England, the wealthiest countries.

All of this is caused by capitalism. Capitalism has allowed a handful of greedy little men to amass much more wealth than they should ever had access to. Passing regulations and forming Unions was only a stop gap. The elites immediately went to work destroying those minor barriers to their insatiable greed.

I have even heard say that Hitler was the capitalist solution to the socialist revolt among the German people. Hitler was funded by some very wealthy fools like Prescott Bush in order to get rid of the socialist and communist in Germany.

So why are the elites so terrified of socialism and communism? There must be something there if they work so hard to be rid of those economic systems.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

13. There was a time when royals used to ride into battle but now they manipulate...

And they have done it for so long that manipulation is part of the job description.

[Pharaoh]

5. spot on..............

[Civilization2]

7. Video is well done, and not over the top as the single frame suggests. Suggested viewing!

Good video, thanks for posting,.

I see much the same,. the 1% just play on the fears of people and they play a long game! Much longer than a single election cycle,. this is how they have been winning for a very long time. They move incrementally to their goals and they have the resources to be very patient.

The only course of action I see to resist currently is to stop supporting the corporate-military 1% system as much as possible. Starve the beast.

[iamthebandfanman]

9. Too much Alex Jones

is what this guy has been watching ...


which is unfortunate, because any valid claims he may have are dismissed simply because of its source :p

maybe that damn owl in the red woods of California is demanding more from its loyal dancing naked human worshipers

[Junkdrawer]

11. Getting closer every day....

[Mojorabbit]

18. I am glad I am old. nt

[IrishAyes]

20. There's a lot to be said for it.