Andrew Sullivan: How Obama's Long Game Will Outsmart His Critics
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All these decisions deserve scrutiny. And in retrospect, they were far more successful than anyone has yet fully given Obama the credit for. The job collapse bottomed out at the beginning of 2010, as the stimulus took effect. Since then, the U.S. has added 2.4 million jobs. Thats not enough, but its far better than what Romney would have you believe, and more than the net jobs created under the entire Bush administration. In 2011 alone, 1.9 million private-sector jobs were created, while a net 280,000 government jobs were lost. Overall government employment has declined 2.6 percent over the past 3 years. (That compares with a drop of 2.2 percent during the early years of the Reagan administration.) To listen to current Republican rhetoric about Obamas big-government socialist ways, you would imagine that the reverse was true. It isnt.
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The great conservative bugaboo, Obamacare, is also far more moderate than its critics have claimed. The Congressional Budget Office has projected it will reduce the deficit, not increase it dramatically, as Bushs unfunded Medicare Prescription Drug benefit did. It is based on the individual mandate, an idea pioneered by the archconservative Heritage Foundation, Newt Gingrich, and, of course, Mitt Romney, in the past. It does not have a public option; it gives a huge new client base to the drug and insurance companies; its health-insurance exchanges were also pioneered by the right. Its to the right of the Clintons monstrosity in 1993, and remarkably similar to Nixons 1974 proposal. Its passage did not preempt recovery efforts; it followed them. It needs improvement in many ways, but the administration is open to further reform and has agreed to allow states to experiment in different ways to achieve the same result. It is not, as Romney insists, a one-model, top-down prescription. Like Obamas Race to the Top education initiative, it sets standards, grants incentives, and then allows individual states to experiment. Embedded in it are also a slew of cost-reduction pilot schemes to slow health-care spending. Yes, it crosses the Rubicon of universal access to private health care. But since federal law mandates that hospitals accept all emergency-room cases requiring treatment anyway, we already obey that socialist principlebut in the most inefficient way possible. Making 44 million current free-riders pay into the system is not fiscally reckless; it is fiscally prudent. It is, dare I say it, conservative.
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On foreign policy, the right-wing critiques have been the most unhinged. Romney accuses the president of apologizing for America, and others all but accuse him of treason and appeasement. Instead, Obama reversed Bushs policy of ignoring Osama bin Laden, immediately setting a course that eventually led to his capture and death. And when the moment for decision came, the president overruled both his secretary of state and vice president in ordering the riskiestbut most ambitiousplan on the table. He even personally ordered the extra helicopters that saved the mission. It was a triumph, not only in killing Americas primary global enemy, but in getting a massive trove of intelligence to undermine al Qaeda even further. If George Bush had taken out bin Laden, wiped out al Qaedas leadership, and gathered a treasure trove of real intelligence by a daring raid, hed be on Mount Rushmore by now. But where Bush talked tough and acted counterproductively, Obama has simply, quietly, relentlessly decimated our real enemies, while winning the broader propaganda war. Since he took office, al Qaedas popularity in the Muslim world has plummeted.
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If I sound biased, thats because I am. Biased toward the actual record, not the spin; biased toward a president who has conducted himself with grace and calm under incredible pressure, who has had to manage crises not seen since the Second World War and the Depression, and who as yet has not had a single significant scandal to his name. To see what is in front of ones nose needs a constant struggle, George Orwell once wrote. What I see in front of my nose is a president whose character, record, and promise remain as grotesquely underappreciated now as they were absurdly hyped in 2008. And I feel confident that sooner rather than later, the American people will come to see his first term from the same calm, sane perspective. And decide to finish what they started.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/01/15/andrew-sullivan-how-obama-s-long-game-will-outsmart-his-critics.html
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)conservative who seems to have come a long way since his support for "Bell Curve" theories from his sordid past.
peacebird
(14,195 posts): )
NWHarkness
(3,290 posts)For what it's worth, Sullivan is still a believer in the Bell Curve theory, writing in support of it as recently as this past November.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)rec. An excellent read. But I still think that the president would fare better this November by governing the way he campaigned, and rallying those 70,000,000 voters who swept him into office last time
How soon some can't remember the difference between campaign and action.
Response to Liberal_Stalwart71 (Reply #2)
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Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)to rethinking about being open minded when it comes to Sully, but there's no need to attack me. If you have information to send, I'd be willing to consider, but the attacks are not necessary.
Be careful who you talk to. You don't know me or anything about me.
Plantsmantx
(20 posts)By the way, what's the point of sending that info on Sullivan to some of his conservative supporters? Why would they care that he hasn't changed his mind on The Bell Curve? Wouldn't it be better to send it to some liberal "Sully fans"?
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)his Bell Curve views.
And yes, you were rude in your post. It's not a way to win over folks to your side.
Plantsmantx
(20 posts)And...do you really believe knowing that Sullivan championed The Bell Curve will make those conservative folks like him less?
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)You are condescending and a jerk.
Good-bye!
Plantsmantx
(20 posts)...that's one way of getting out of answering that question.
babylonsister
(171,059 posts)truly is a gifted writer. And of course, I happen to agree with him.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)It's good for all to note: Biased toward the actual record, not the spin; biased toward a president who has conducted himself with grace and calm under incredible pressure, who has had to manage crises not seen since the Second World War and the Depression, and who as yet has not had a single significant scandal to his name.
Tumbulu
(6,278 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,368 posts)The Vrude
(86 posts)Attacking Libya without consulting Congress? Appealing to the authority of the UN instead???
Fast and Furious??? http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/dec/15/obamas-watergate-758295296/
Signs the NDAA????????
And those are just 3 scandalous items. "No significant scandal to his name." Poppycock! Talk about AVOIDING the actual record and BEING BIASED toward spin, Mr Sullivan!
usrname
(398 posts)In the vein of Valerie Plame, Monica Lewinsky, Iran-Contra, Watergate... (Did Bush I have any sort of scandal or was he in there too briefly?)
The Vrude
(86 posts)I think you're working with a definition of "scandal" that many have gotten used to where the meaning of "scandal" deals more with actions in the dark than the violations they reflect.
The constitution mandates that congress "declare war" prior to attacking sovereign nations (Article One, Section Eight of the Constitution). Attacking Libya without congressional vote would be a treasonous action done in the light, not in secret, and should require the impeachment of President Obama. (A president who represents the money grubbing defense department and MIC). Read this, it's a good read: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2011/03/24/obama_s_unconstitutional_war
Trafficking guns into Mexico is not a scandal? From the article I linked to: "Agent (Brian) Terry was killed by weapons that were part (this) illegal Obama administration operation... He was a victim of his own government. This is not only a major scandal; it is a high crime that potentially reaches all the way to the White House, implicating senior officials. It is President Obamas Watergate. ... Operation Fast and Furious ... has armed murderous gangs. About 300 Mexicans have been killed by Fast and Furious weapons. More than 1,400 guns remain lost. Agent Terry likely will not be the last U.S. casualty."
The NDAA authorizes the indefinite detention without trial of US citizens, disappearing citizens into black holes at the whim of the government and military. This Obama signing is a treasonous act par excellence. He swore to protect the constitution, not destroy its statutes!
And before you write that I am some sort of "tea Party" "Ron Paul supporting" wingnut, I voted for Clinton, Gore, and Kerry before I woke up. I hate the Bush crime family like a Celtics fan hates the Lakers. This country has been taken over by the 1%, and these powerful institutions use a series of politicians to clamp down on our freedoms and further drop us into the depths of economic enslavement. The "Patriot" Act, John Warner National Defense Authorization Act, NDAA, SOPA, and other traitorous bills all show a systematic push for tyranny.
Wake the F--- up everyone!
Xtraneous
(94 posts)Just more abusive wordsmithing by a self-hating egotistical twit.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Get real. Next thing you will be quoting Fox News. Try thinking for yourself for once. If that was even possible you might understand what Sullivan means but I don't hold my breath.
The Vrude
(86 posts)wrote it, that means that Brian Terry's death didn't happen? That means 1,400 guns aren't on the loose in a brutal drug war that we helped along? You're asleep worse than most.
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)So, once again, you don't warrant a serious response.
The Vrude
(86 posts)I'm the one that brought up the topics that Sullivan overlooks (with the greatest of lubricated ease btw)...and then you mock my citations! LOL! Unbelievable.
Thus you are the one that doesn't warrant being addressed, and so you'll be placed on ignor from here on. Enjoy your football.
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Hmm??
The Vrude
(86 posts)Do you want an exact date, or do you mean that he only caved to Samantha Power, Susan Rice, and Hillary?
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)Real proof might be more problematic than that.
Except in fantasy, of course.
The Vrude
(86 posts)...from your response, you deny or are unaware of our presence in Libya. (You are aware that Gaddafi is dead right? ...Just checking.)
Here's some fun reading and viewing on Obama bypassing congress to attack Libya, after the urging of the three witches of MacBeth:
CNN:
CBS NY: http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/03/21/nyc-lawmakers-speak-out-on-attack-against-qaddafi/
http://washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/2011/03/examiner-editorial-imperial-president-bypasses-congress-libyan-war
The Three Witches of MacBeth:
Gerald Celente discussing the issue:
I'd cite more, but why bother...
cliffordu
(30,994 posts)The Vrude
(86 posts)I provide the proof you asked for, and you stick your head in the sand!
Hey, don't you have the Lakers highlights to catch?
BumRushDaShow
(128,905 posts)Old and In the Way
(37,540 posts)Somehow, though, I don't think you'll be subject to the same level of criticism for supporting our president. Great read...thanks for posting!
Skinner
(63,645 posts)How embarrassing -- a blue link!
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)A criticism of "purple links" (at least with the Firefox default colours) would have a little more justification of "this is stuff we've seen before".
Number23
(24,544 posts)The wailing over "blue links" is probably the most idiotic meme currently circulating around here. But as you so perfectly said, it is also dishonest giving the lie to those who say this is "stuff they've seen before."
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,784 posts)n/t
bemildred
(90,061 posts)pamela
(3,469 posts)Definitely going to save this and spread it around.
jaxx
(9,236 posts)He gets it. Very glad to see you have it posted and it's being rec'd. It's an important piece, one that goes to the vision and the way it's being implemented.
Big K & R
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)"Nothing in his first termincluding the complicated multiyear rollout of universal health carecan be understood if you do not realize that Obama was always planning for eight years, not four. And if he is reelected, he will have won a battle more important than 2008: for it will be a mandate for an eight-year shift away from the excesses of inequality, overreach abroad, and reckless deficit spending of the last three decades. It will recapitalize him to entrench what he has done already and make it irreversible".
sellitman
(11,606 posts)It shreds my lefty take on our President while doing the same to the right. We should both be pissed off with this viewpoint but speaking only for myself I like it. I was never one of those lefties who would stay home or vote for any of the loons on the right but this article clarifies the importance of a second term for Obama.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)Microscopically dissecting every move and every thought, every day, every hour--of Obama, of every politician, of every pundit, of every blogger-- makes it easy to freak out and difficult to consider a long term view.
The more people can learn to think in the long term, the better off we'd be (for ourselves--and in the long-term, for everyone else as well)
Great article, and I gotta buy that Newsweek. Couple of copies!
progressoid
(49,988 posts)Or so I've been told over and over.
Kablooie
(18,632 posts)Obama is being judged on unfinished business as if he had finished it.
It is a work in progress and until it's done one can't fully evaluate it.
It's appropriate to have opinions and to want to affect outcomes one way or another but to declare failure based on the state of everything today is premature.
It ain't over until the flat lady schwings.
Omaha Steve
(99,618 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Better Believe It
(18,630 posts)And I don't have any independent friends who are not liberal, progressive or leftist.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Not as policy per se, but because of the utterly stupid tactics used to defend it. I quit going to OFA's useless strategy sessions when all they were able to come up with was silly pissy little lists of microconstituencies who benefitted from PPACA, as if the general voting public actually gave a flying fuck about charts and graphs. The tactic amounted to rowing a couple of boats out to rescue 100 drowing people, having one boat take 10 of them on board, and the other one featuring a guy with a bullhorn bragging to the remaining 90 about how wonderful he was to save 10 people. What most people noticed about PPACA was that insurance companies continued to screw them, with premiums skyrocketing and benefits decreasing.
Those things were bad enough, but what really destroyed us was allowing the Republicans to successfully attack PPACA as cutting Medicare. That this was a lie (it only cut subsidies to private Medicare Advantage plans) was irrelevant. What was relevant was that Obama and Democrats in gereral absolutely refused to defend the more successful GOVERNMENT traditional Medicare and point out that if the private plans could do it better and cheaper, why would they need subsidies? This refusal led to devastating losses in the more reliable senior demographic.
To be sure, it's pretty near impossible to defend PPACA on a foundation of basic values, because the value it is based on is one of our most disgusting and despicable ones--namely that people deserve health care on the basis of how much money they have. Instead of just Americans, there are now Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze Americans, in descending order of worth. Not to mention the Lead category for people 50-64 who are privileged to pay three times as much at any level. 23-26 year olds whose parents have insurance and can afford to add them deserve health care; those whose parents can't, don't. Affluent sick people who can afford the outrageous premiums of the high risk pools for those with pre-existing conditions deserve heatlh care; those who can't, don't.
Massachusetts gives us a clue about the disaster that is going to be visited on older sick people not poor enough to qualify for Medicaid. The MA reform is actually popular, but only among the 85% majority who haven't yet been expensively sick. (In every age group, 5% of the population accounts for 50% of all health care costs and 15% account for 85% of costs.) The healthy folks can afford to be delusional, their opinions about how good their coverage is being worth about what their opinions about how good their fire extinguishers are--that is to say not much.
What is happening to the sick you can judge from the before and after medical bankruptcy data. Before reform, 59% of bankruptcies in MA were related to health care; now 50% are. The crappy high deductible insurance that is the only kind older lower income people can afford actively prevents people from getting health care. After you pay the insurance company for essentially nothing (in the absence of catastrophic illness), you have nothing left to pay for a doctor visit. What we can look forward to with the implementation of PPACA is the continued bankrupting and killing of sick people, only at a lower level.
Sure, it "bends the cost curve," but only for the government. It does so by taking the savings out of the hides of sick people. Sullivan's defense of this is utterly clueless.
eridani
(51,907 posts)The long term game seems to be placid acceptance of a completely disastrous "new normal." To be sure, tinkering saved the economy from hitting rock bottom, but it is utterly inadequate to deal with the ongoing disaster. "I know we still need to do more" is just weak tea bullshit in the face of--
--labor force participation at postwar record lows
--foreclosures continuing to rise
--homelessness and food insecurity at highest levels ever
--29% of mortgages underwater
--long term unemployment at highest leves ever recorded
--parasitic banksters continuing the same mortgage slicing and dicing that crashed the economy
--current job growth levels on track to give us a full 20 years of ZERO net job growth, unprecedented in US history AFAIK
--fully 48% of the population low income or outright poor. That is to say half the country having ZERO discretionary income in an economy that consists of 70% consumer spending
The worst thing is four years of spouting Republican values, such as taxes are bad and lowering them is good, regulations are bad, government has no role in promoting recovery other than granting benefits to the private sector, that private sector job growth should be applauded even as those gains are cancelled out by public sector job losses, that public goods (especially education) are really bad, or at best inferior to the private sector, that Republican ideas are better than and preferable to anything the "purist" left can come up with, that what actually got done to help the economy is all that is necessary--we just need a bit more time.
All I hope is that another real disaster doesn't strike before the election, because a Republican administration would totally destroy us.
And don't bother to comment that Obama couldn't get more done because of opposition. That is perfectly true, but what that situation calls for is something that Obama has refused to do--flat out admit that what he accomplished is not enough, and that that is the Republicans' fault.
lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)And I agree completely with the article. K&R
eridani
(51,907 posts)--the Grand Bargain in "entitlement" "reform"? In Sullivan's fluffy pink bunnyland, the worst midterm slaughter of the president's party in modern times apparently never happened. Behold the bitter fruits of the "Grand Bargain"
Social Security and the Future of the Democratic Party
Preliminary research from Strengthen Social Security
1. Public support for Social Security is very high it is a core value for people so Democrats take it away at their peril.
Numerous surveys show that 75% to 80% oppose cutting Social Security benefits to reduce the federal deficit. The public understands it has no relationship to the federal deficit because they pay special taxes for it.
2010 election eve/day poll showed STRONG opposition to Social Security cuts 73% Democrats, 72% Independents, 72% Republicans, 61% Tea Party.
7 out of 10 voters oppose raising the retirement age. It is especially strong among blue collar voters: non-college men and especially non-college women, which are core labor constituencies in the key battleground states.
2. Democrats have limited credibility on Social Security issue at this point in time.
Democrats used to crush Republicans when voters were asked: who do you trust to better handle Social Security? Today, they are losing badly to Republicans.
Election Day 2010 voters favored Republicans on Social Security 31% to 28%. But
Oct. 2006 poll: 48% Democrats to 20% Republicans
Oct 2002 poll: 43% Democrats to 20% Republicans
Oct. 1998 poll: 44% Democrats to 21% Republicans
Same pattern is true for Presidents:
Obama on 2010 Election Day: Voters said Republicans could be more trusted than Obama on Social Security by 33% to 26%.
Bush in 2005: Democrats in Congress were favored over Bush on Social Security by 50% to 37%.
Clinton in 1995: He was favored over Republicans in handling Social Security by 53% to 34%.
3. A damaged Democratic brand on Social Security will spell electoral disaster in 2012 and beyond.[This section is still being researched; we are looking at Senate races to make the strongest case. Obama believes he can win in 2012 even with a large loss among seniors, as long as he comes close to replicating his large surge in 2008 (a big if), although they have not said how large the seniors loss can be.]
Democrats will not win seniors in 2012, but we must hold down our losses to a manageable level maybe a 10% advantage for Republicans if we are to hold (or at least minimize losses in the Senate and make up lost ground in the House.
2006: Republicans had no advantage among seniors 49%-49%, when Democrats won big in congressional races.
2010: Republicans had a 21% point advantage among seniors 59% vs. 38%.
2008: Republicans had an 8% point advantage among seniors 53% vs. 45% in a wave election favoring Democrats
2004: Republicans had a 5% point advantage among seniors 52% to 47%
2000: Democrats had a 3% point advantage among seniors 50% to 47%
1996: Democrats had a 7% point advantage among seniors 50% to 43%
Beyond 2012, Republicans will have an easier time garnering the support of baby boomers if Democratic support for Social Security becomes blurred, an outcome that could impact national politics for many years.
4. Cutting Social Security will demoralize the Democratic base.
It will be very hard to motivate activists in the party if the President leads the effort to cut Social Security. It will be seen as a betrayal of everything we have worked decades for.
For unions in particular, the union leaders credibility with its
own members will be at great risk if the President leads the effort to cut Social Security.
5. The President can and should build support for his reelection and congressional Democrats by embracing Social Security as a crucial component of the economic security of American families. He should emphasize that:
In an economy that is increasingly risky, it is the only program American families can count on to provide effective life insurance for their young children, disability insurance and retirement protection.
Social Security as a core part of his commitment to protecting the middle class.
6. Protecting Social Security would be a bipartisan bonanza for the President and regain ground lost due to Republicans on Medicare.
The President wants to be seen as working with Republicans. Why not ask them to join him in pledging to not cut Social Security. He will hit a grand slam with the public, which wants no cuts to the program and would like both parties to work together to protect the program. It will be a surprise move to the Republicans and put them in a box.
Republicans were very effective in the 2010 campaign skewering Democrats as Medicare cutters. This was probably the single greatest attack Republicans had on Democrats with older voters. This could happen again with Social Security. The way to get this age group back is to go on offense on Social Security.
Kaleko
(4,986 posts)Bravo!
I'd like to see a well-reasoned, fact-based refutation of the facts you have presented here.
Skinner?
eridani
(51,907 posts)<crickets>
Kaleko
(4,986 posts)It's a good sign. This silence is potent. It echoes the truth you laid out so eloquently.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)...fault that liberals sat home in 2010.
Koch brothers buying elections: $100+ million.
Teabaggers invented out of thin air: millions of dollars.
The erosion of the Democratic party by supposed liberals, buying into the propaganda: Priceless.
Most self-destructive people I've ever seen.
Fuck the Koch brothers. Fuck the narrative that Democrats are worse than Republicans on Social Security. They bought and paid for that meme, they deluded people with that meme. And it worked! How do we know that? Because the "teabaggers" got out 9% more votes than the Democrats. It's factual, that's how it happened. They actually got us to sit home through propagandistic voter suppression, convincing people it didn't matter.
eridani
(51,907 posts)They refused to defend Medicare. They refused to defend Social Security, under attack by the Deficit Commission.
And now they don't give a goddam flying fuck that half the country has ZERO discretionary income. And they thought and acted as if the deficit was more important than jobs.
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)And he'll continue campaigning on the deficit.
Meanwhile the 2010 "messaging" from the administration and Democrats was fully predictable. Low key, don't ruffle the feathers, that's how you get reelected.
Still doesn't change the fact that liberals were duped by the right wing.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Voters mostly think that jobs are more important than the deficit, strangely enough.
Active policy wonk liberals all voted in 2010, because issue wonks always vote. If you think otherwise, you are duped and delusional. The occasional voters who showed up in 2008 did not vote, as you would bloody well know if you ever bothered to talk to any of them. It was your lousy, bloodless, I-don't-really-give-a-shit-about-peoples'-lives messaging that sank us. It obviously is not how you get elected, but empirical facts seem to be irrelevant here. Thanks ever so much for your help in putting 2012 at risk as well. /sarcasm
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)It's a fact that the teabaggers, those mythical, faux, bullshit media inspired "activists" got out 9% more votes than the liberals. That is a fact. The most depressing, damning fact of the 2010 elections that anyone can ever see. Issues wonks always vote, I can't deny that, they went to their polling place, they voted, and then they went home like the petulant cowards that they are.
I myself spent the entire day getting people to vote, and that was after I spent the entire week before that getting people to go to early vote. That's what it takes. I never put more effort into it in my entire life than 2010. We won by a few thousand votes, I reckon my efforts alone contributed 10% of the vote. That pleased me.
The "messaging" problem, again, was fully predictable. The Republican's sole goal is to oust the President, full stop, they have no other goal than that. They used that energy to overwhelmingly suppress the vote in 2010, to the point where 15% less progressive-leaning voters showed up.
That is not a referendum on the President, the administration, or the Democrats. That is a referendum on the ignorant, petulant "liberals" who decided that they wouldn't expend the effort necessary to help disenfranchised voters get out there and vote. We have to get off our asses every election for at least the next 15 years if we're going to maintain a progressive presence in our politics, if we don't, the right wing will come back in force.
After that though, of course, whites will be increasingly a minority, and we, the progressives, won't matter so much. Either way we win.
But I want to win now, now later. I want to slow if not stop the decline of this country. And I refuse to sit home due to voter suppression tactics attempting to make the Republicans out to be "no different" than the Democrats.
eridani
(51,907 posts)--which they most assuredly were not. Their lie that PPACA cut Medicare (it did not--it just cut subsidies to Medicare Advantage) was allowed to stand because Democrats (and particularly Obama) absolutely refused to defend the far more efficient GOVERNMENT traditional Medicare as an example of how government is better at providing public goods. I know quite a few people who got a lot of GOTV work done in 2008 that refused to attend OFA meetings because all they cared about was laundry lists instead of values.
The Catfood Commission cut into my GOTV activities a lot. I covered three precincts instead of eight as in 2008 because of all the meetings and rallies against proposals like raising retirement and Medicare eligibility age, voucherizing Medicare (proposed by "Democrat" Alice Rivlin before Ryan wrote his highly unpopular law), and cutting benefits by using chained COLA. If Obama wants more effort from me this year, he can fucking well stop proposing policies that amount to mass murder for my age demographic.
GOTV can go only so far in the face of wussy laundry list messaging. In the three precincts that I tracked, the 2010 turnout was lower than the 2008 turnout. You can urge people to vote, but they won't do it if they don't think it will make a difference.
REPUBLICAN MAILER ON MEDICARE
http://www.gop.com/index.php/briefing/comments/reach_out_and_touch_medicare#ixzz1US9aru7F
OBAMA AND DEMOCRATS PUT MEDICARE CUTS IN DEBT CEILING DEAL
USA Today: Cuts in Medicare and other entitlement programs are on the table. (Susan Page and Fredreka Schouten, Political Damage Even If A Debt Deal Is Done, USA Today, 7/31/11)
Obama Agreed To Medicare Cuts In Debt Ceiling Deal. The deal announced on Sunday by Congressional leaders and the White House would make across-the-board cuts in military spending, education, transportation and Medicare payments to health care providers if Congress does not enact further deficit-cutting legislation by the end of the year. (Robert Pear, Congress Must Trim Deficit To Avoid Broader Cuts, The New York Times, 7/31/11)
Obama Said Adjustments Must Be Made To Medicare. OBAMA: Yes, that means making some adjustments to protect health care programs like Medicare so theyre there for future generations. (President Barack Obama, Remarks On Budget Control Act, Washington, D.C., 8/2/11)
DURING DEBT CEILING DEBATE, OBAMA OFFERED $650 BILLION IN CUTS TO MEDICARE, SOCIAL SECURITY, AND MEDICAID
Obama Put Major Changes To Medicare On The Table During Debt Ceiling Negotiations. To hit the $1.5 trillion in spending cuts, the congressional committee is likely to reconsider major changes to Medicare that the White House and congressional leaders put on the table during this summer's debt-ceiling negotiations. (Janet Adamy, Debt Deal May Hit Medicare, The Wall Street Journal, 8/2/11)
Analysis by Democratic pollster
http://capsules.kaiserhealthnews.org/index.php/2011/08/pollster-medicare-not-just-a-seniors-issue
Shell be watching how aggressively Democrats rally around protecting Medicare but believes it will be harder for the party to draw the distinction that many of us believe in because President Barack Obama talked about Medicare cuts in the context of the budget deal. So I think its going to depend on how strong a stance Democrats take or whether they muddle it. Regardless, she adds, it has the potential to be THE voting issue in 2012.
If you really want to slow down the decline of this country, why aren't you paying more attention to this? What's our slogan supposed to be anyway? Vote for the cowards, not the sociopaths? This is supposed to get young people doorbelling instead of attending Occupy assemblies?
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)Oh, right, the Democrats "failed at messaging."
How about, yaknow, the progressives who allowed the "Catfood Commission (to) cut into (their) GOTV activities a lot"? The completely false, completely fake, completely made up "Catfood Commission" which was composed of basically idiots who weren't expected to get anything serious done. All the Democratic party heads rejected it, and basically laughed it off. Even if it somehow got through committee, it would've never been taken seriously by the House, and it never in a million years would've been able to pass Presidential Veto.
Obama campaigned as a post-partisan, that's what you get when you elect a post-partisan. If he doesn't change his rhetoric the same shit will happen again, he will "reach across the isle" and "get ideas from the other side" and you'll wind up with asinine proposals that must be rejected.
Again, their goal is to oust Obama. They wanted him to sign off on the "catfood commission" so they can say in their political ads "Obama approved a commission to cut Social Security and Medicare."
Yeah, uh, commissions do that shit, but that's not the same as saying "Obama approved cutting Social Security and Medicare" which is precisely what the "progressives" intended to express. Meanwhile Obama will, to the independents, center right people, say "I am strong on deficit spending that I even put things I wouldn't normally put on the table, up there. And the Republicans said that they'd gut everything. Fun times."
He'll get reelected fairly easily. What's important is getting back the Congress and electing progressive candidates, and especially, getting out the vote. GOTV is particularly important because the poor, downtrodden, minorities historically don't vote as much as white, privileged people, so it requires a strong push to get them to go vote. Without any of this petulant "the Democrats are not different from Republicans" garbage, which is precisely the meme that Republicans pushed in 2010 which resulting in their getting out 9% more votes than we did because we sat home or got distracted over poor understanding of political gamemanship.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Of course Democrats are different from Republicans. About half of them are cowards, as compared to the totally 100% sociopathic Republicans.
You know what? Only a totally disconnected beltway insider bullshitter could charaterize a commission stacked with enemies of Social Security and Medicare as just theater. And be silly enough to think that independents and center right people prioritize deficit cutting over job creation.
Normal people who read or watch TV for news about the deficit commission hear about attacks on Social Security and Medicare, critical lifeline programs that are even more important with what looks to be a permanently shitty economy, and take those attacks personally.
Democrats can only counter Republican lies by taking very strong populist stands in defense of lifeline programs, and in favor of significant action by government to directly create jobs. The bad economy suppresses the vote by itself, and GOTV can overcome that only with strong messages that Democrats are on their side. Democrats flat out refused to do that in 2010, and you defended the "low-key" strategy. Given that it was an abysmal FAIL, why are you still doing that?
Obama will win because the Republican presidential candidates are all obviously batshit crazy, but that is still no excuse for wussy messaging. Democrats refused to defend Medicare in 2010, and I'm hoping there won't be a repeat in 2012
joshcryer
(62,270 posts)It was just theater, it was the most unserious, asinine commission to ever be formed. You look at the policy proposals they made and it was just massively unrealistic, massively stupid, massively shit for brains. In the end it would've actually resulted in a higher deficit, that's just how bad it was.
The low key strategy was a long term plan, so that Obama could get reelected in 2012, and it will work. Obama and the Democrats know that the sole goal of the Republicans is to oust the President. They have been successful at stopping that from happening, with very low key, very strategic approaches to everything. Hell, you look at the Super Committee which basically did nothing. DU was all up in arms about how it was destroying everything. Oh, wait, cuts don't happen for years.
I expect Obama to reuse his populist rhetoric in 2012. Note, I say rhetoric, as far as policy is concerned, Obama campaigned solely as a moderate post-partisan, center-right candidate. If his policy proposals move to the left I will be fairly surprised. It looks like there's a chance for that, but I give it a coin flip at this point.
A moderate post-partisan doesn't have room for messaging, they will agree with both sides on everything, and will in the end try to downplay everything. If Obama was a partisan I would expect stronger messaging.
Myself, I'm waiting for Warren. She'll be a hard core partisan, which the Democrats desperately need.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)Conor Friedersdorf has a different point of view
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/01/dear-andrew-sullivan-why-focus-on-obamas-dumbest-critics/251528/
Sullivan should reconsider this approach.
During President Bush's first term, Sullivan will recall the most unhinged attacks on him -- the comparisons to Hitler, the puppets burned in effigy, the comparisons to a chimp. There wasn't anything wrong with lamenting those attacks, just as there's nothing wrong with pointing out exaggerated and baseless attacks on Obama, which have spread through most of the Republican Party. But the priority put on rebutting the least persuasive left-wing critiques of Bush, and pre-election 2004 worrying about the flaws of the Democratic field, are part of what postponed the backlash against Bush's ruinous policies. The backlash should've been the priority all along.
eridani
(51,907 posts)That's why Sullivan focused on them to the exclusion of pointing out the batshit craziness of Republicans.