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Eugene

(61,974 posts)
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 10:44 AM Oct 2023

'Red Caesarism' is rightwing code - and some Republicans are listening

Earlier DU thread: The Conservative Plan to Take Over the Country (you need to know about this)

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Source: The Guardian

‘Red Caesarism’ is rightwing code – and some Republicans are listening

Argument for a ‘red Caesar’ to rule US may seem esoteric but conservative thinktank behind idea has connections to Trump

Jason Wilson
Sun 1 Oct 2023 15.00 BST
Last modified on Mon 2 Oct 2023 12.52 BST

In June, rightwing academic Kevin Slack published a book-length polemic claiming that ideas that had emerged from what he called the radical left were now so dominant that the US republic its founders envisioned was effectively at an end.

Slack, a politics professor at the conservative Hillsdale College in Michigan, made conspiratorial and extreme arguments now common on the antidemocratic right, that “transgenderism, anti-white racism, censorship, cronyism … are now the policies of an entire cosmopolitan class that includes much of the entrenched bureaucracy, the military, the media, and government-sponsored corporations”.

In a discussion of possible responses to this conspiracy theory, he wrote that the “New Right now often discusses a Red Caesar, by which it means a leader whose post-Constitutional rule will restore the strength of his people”.

For the last three years, parts of the American right have advocated a theory called Caesarism as an authoritarian solution to the claimed collapse of the US republic in conference rooms, podcasts and the house organs of the extreme right, especially those associated with the Claremont Institute thinktank.

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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/01/red-caesar-authoritarianism-republicans-extreme-right

Alternate non-walled link: https://news.yahoo.com/red-caesarism-rightwing-code-republicans-140047963.html

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'Red Caesarism' is rightwing code - and some Republicans are listening (Original Post) Eugene Oct 2023 OP
"...post-Constitutional rule..." dchill Oct 2023 #1
Anything that pours forth from Hillsdale College Charging Triceratops Oct 2023 #2
I just did a google search of "red caesar" and came up with thatdemguy Oct 2023 #3
Exactly. This article is bullshit and full of weasel words. Oneironaut Oct 2023 #5
But Project 2025 is a real thing. lastlib Oct 2023 #7
+1 appalachiablue Oct 2023 #8
I read an article by Damon Linker about this (Anton, and an "American Caesar") in 2021 muriel_volestrangler Oct 2023 #14
Having watched Christian Nationalist Hillsdale College gibraltar72 Oct 2023 #4
This guy tried to emulate Caesar too DBoon Oct 2023 #6
What does "red Caesar" have to do with Christianity or Christian nationalism? FakeNoose Oct 2023 #9
Nothing. lees1975 Oct 2023 #10
As far as I know (and I could be wrong), Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #11
I don't think they teach that at Hillsdale College FakeNoose Oct 2023 #12
Very true. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #13

thatdemguy

(453 posts)
3. I just did a google search of "red caesar" and came up with
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 11:15 AM
Oct 2023

The guardian link, one other page talking about this, a youtube video and some costumes, salad dressing, and lettuce.

I think this is probably one mans dream and he wrote the other page I found. I think its a nothing burger, if it was wide spread it should be every where. Someone wrote a book, that is their dream and a article gets written but it does not look like its wide spread

I think its probably someones attempt at finding something and making a name for themself in a new article hoping no one actually goes looking.

Oneironaut

(5,547 posts)
5. Exactly. This article is bullshit and full of weasel words.
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 12:33 PM
Oct 2023

“Many people are supporting it!” “Experts are saying…” “Some agree…” without ever mentioning specific people than a professor and a trump official.

Bad clickbait article is bad.

lastlib

(23,389 posts)
7. But Project 2025 is a real thing.
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 12:49 PM
Oct 2023

And it's SCARY! Check it out, be aware of it--it's abject fascism, top to bottom, wrapped in a flag, carrying a bible. Only Mussolini is missing, but tRump is the fill-in. These people need to be destroyed!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,417 posts)
14. I read an article by Damon Linker about this (Anton, and an "American Caesar") in 2021
Sat Oct 7, 2023, 11:43 AM
Oct 2023
A former director of communications for New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani (where he was briefly my boss) and former speechwriter for Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, Anton penned the most notorious and rhetorically scalding case for supporting Trump. Published in early September 2016 in the Claremont Review of Books online, "The Flight 93 Election" portrayed Trump as a final, last-ditch opportunity for conservatives to wrest control of the country back from those (like Hillary Clinton) who aimed at nothing less than its thoroughgoing destruction. Rush Limbaugh paid tribute to the power of the argument (and amplified it for a vastly larger audience) by reading the essay aloud, paragraph by paragraph, on his radio show. In doing so, Anton, with Limbaugh's help, gave legions of Trump-skeptical conservatives permission to vote, even to express outright enthusiasm, for the untested right-wing populist.

After Trump's victory, Anton went on to serve the new president on the National Security Council. That lasted a little more than a year. Once he had left the White House, Anton returned to writing and speaking publicly in defense of Trump and in favor of his re-election. Two months before the 2020 vote, he predicted an attempted "coup" from the left if Democrat Joe Biden didn't prevail. When events unfolded in precisely the opposite way — with Trump losing the vote, refusing to accept the result, and attempting a hapless coup of his own to stay in power — Anton said nothing to acknowledge either the irony or the error. Quite the opposite, in fact. In the months since Trump left office, Anton has been doing his best to throw open the doors of the conservative intellectual world to ideas once considered far too extreme for American politics.

How extreme? So extreme that in late May, Anton set aside nearly two hours on his Claremont Institute podcast ("The Stakes&quot for an erudite, wide-ranging discussion with self-described monarchist Curtis Yarvin about why the United States needs an "American Caesar" to seize control of the federal government, and precisely how such a would-be dictator could accomplish the task.
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When federal agencies refuse to go along, Yarvin suggests, Caesar (whom he now begins referring to as "Trump&quot will use a "Trump app" to communicate directly with his 80 million supporters on their smart phones, using notifications to tell them that "this agency isn't following my instructions," which will prompt them to rally at the proper building, with the crowd "steered around by a joystick by Trump himself," forming a "human barricade around every federal building, supporting Trump's lawful authority." Where maybe 20,000 people stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, millions responding to the Trump app would be much more effective — a modern-day version of the paramilitary groups that ensured Lincoln's safety during the hard-fought, dangerous 1860 campaign for president that preceded the Civil War (and the president's subsequent suspension of habeas corpus and shuttering of hundreds of newspapers).

https://theweek.com/politics/1003035/the-far-right-contemplates-an-american-caesar

The Claremont Institute is, sadly, still influential in far-right circles that think they are "intellectual". And Anton, with the track record of that awful "Flight 93 Election" screed that the right wing creamed its pants over, and then working for Trump, has credibility among them. Yarvin is a bit more fringe, admired by billionaire and senator-owner Peter Thiel:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/04/inside-the-new-right-where-peter-thiel-is-placing-his-biggest-bets
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/23373795/curtis-yarvin-neoreaction-redpill-moldbug
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/curtis-yarvin/

Thiel got J.D. Vance into the Senate, and tried to get Blaker Masters in too. It's a lot bigger than "one man's dream in a book".

gibraltar72

(7,520 posts)
4. Having watched Christian Nationalist Hillsdale College
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 11:43 AM
Oct 2023

up close and personal for 65 years. They are a cult. Recently taken over our library board. Established a boiler house operation in downtown. Bought an old courthouse annex and have desire to buy 10 more downtown buildings.

FakeNoose

(32,917 posts)
9. What does "red Caesar" have to do with Christianity or Christian nationalism?
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 01:25 PM
Oct 2023

They're trying to make Chump into Caesar and taking down the Constitution in the process.

How is this in any way consistent with Christianity or the teachings of Jesus?

lees1975

(3,943 posts)
10. Nothing.
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 02:50 PM
Oct 2023

I believe Christian Nationalism, white supremacist movements, and any of this "the Republic is dead because its liberal" garbage, is anti-Christ by definition. It is all in direct opposition to anything that Jesus taught, it is an attempt to bring back the old covenant, something that the writer of Hebrews defines as "obsolete."

I wouldn't put much stock in anything that comes out of Hillsdale College. This is worth watching as potentially subversive.

Elessar Zappa

(14,151 posts)
11. As far as I know (and I could be wrong),
Mon Oct 2, 2023, 04:11 PM
Oct 2023

the only thing Jesus said about Caesar was “give unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and unto God what is God’s”, in other words, pay your damn taxes!

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