Moscow Officials Urge Putin to GTFO: 'Everything Went Wrong'

[Beastly Boy]

More and more Russian officials are urging Vladimir Putin to get the hell out of the Kremlin as Moscow suffered another series of humiliating defeats in Ukraine this weekend.

Just one day after several municipal deputies in Putin’s hometown of St. Petersburg called on the State Duma to try the Russian leader for treason, their colleagues in Moscow joined in and demanded he step down because his views are “hopelessly outdated.”

The open letter to Putin from municipal deputies in the Russian capital’s Lomonosovsky district started out by seemingly trying to let him down gently, telling him he had “good reforms” in his first term and part of his second.

But then, “everything went wrong,” the deputies said.

“The rhetoric that you and your subordinates use has been riddled with intolerance and aggression for a long time, which in the end effectively threw our country back into the Cold War era. Russia has again begun to be feared and hated, we are once again threatening the whole world with nuclear weapons,” the letter read.

“We ask you to relieve yourself of your post due to the fact that your views and your governance model are hopelessly outdated and hinder the development of Russia and its human potential,” the deputies said in closing.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/moscow-officials-urge-vladimir-putin-to-give-up-power

The de-Putinization of Russia inside Russia may already be on its way. Here's another article pointing in the same direction:
https://news.yahoo.com/putin-finished-ukrainians-him-ropes-084514600.html

[Lovie777]

1. It's all about money......

finally the super rich is speaking up because they are tired of the sanctions against them.

Hopefully this will stop the unwarranted aggression against Ukraine and return Ukrainians home including all the children especially the ones that were illegally adopted.

[wnylib]

35. Yup. Putin's war is hurting the oligarchs

and his investment in Trump is failing.

The end of Putin will not bring democracy to Russia. The oligarchs are entrenched and still want to rule. They just want to get rid of Putin and put another oligarch in power.

But at least it should improve things for Ukraine and the rest of the world to get rid of Putin.

[BeyondGeography]

2. Good read...He's getting it from all angles

K&R

[COL Mustard]

16. He'll eventually get it from behind

Behind the right ear, I think. A 9mm headache will solve it.

[EYESORE 9001]

3. Out of power - out of existence. Either way, the world will be better off.

Putin has proven unworthy. Whether that means unworthy of wielding power or occupying space on this planet is ultimately his choice. He could take some money and run, but I suspect his narcissism won’t allow it.

[Baitball Blogger]

4. There is no one more pissed than Trump. Because, with Putin out of power

Trump has nowhere else to go.

[rubbersole]

7. The Saudis won't want him if he can't do anything for them.

Probably what the document theft was about. Post indictment currency on the world stage. It's not going to save his bloated orange ass.

[Escurumbele]

12. I don't think Putin would want him in Russia either, he is only useful in the USA and now

that trump is going to jail he is of no use. Also, don't you think that Putin also finds trump annoying? I bet he does, I bet he has many laughs about trump when talking with the other Russian politicians. They know trump is an idiot.

trump has nowhere to go, his only destination will involve an orange suit.

[GreenWave]

17. Trump in Russia would eat up their limited supply of cheeseburgers.

Is potato, no?

[Lonestarblue]

5. I doubt that Putin's ego will allow him to step down because he would see it as a disgrace.

Someone will have to give him some polonium tea, which is hard to do when he allows no one close to him. A good sniper might do the job on those rare occasions he appears in public. If the FSB turns against him, seeing the changes in public opinion, they might also have ways of getting to him. Russians perfected the art of assassination long ago.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

29. Made Russia feared and hated in the world...kind of what MAGA wants domestically and internationally.

[padah513]

34. Absolutely

His stepping down wouldn't fit into that second coming of Peter the Great daydream of his. And you are spot on about Russia turning assassination into an art form. If I were him I'd stay away from windows. A lot of people over there falling out of them lately.

[Joinfortmill]

6. CNN, Fareed Zakaria may cover this today at 10 a.m.

[Botany]

8. 25% of Russians do not have indoor plumbing and yet Putin is living in a $1 billion house ....

.... and that is just one of many he owns. He has become one of the wealthiest men in the world by
stealing from the Russian people and all the families of the Russian soldiers who have died, been wounded,
taken prisoner, or have mental illness from the war in Ukraine are pissed @ Vlad too.




3 to 4 days ago in the Kharkiv region.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

25. Putin kill 3 times Ruzz men in 6 months in Ukr as Soviets died in Afghanistan in 10 years

It was the mothers who finally forced USSR out of Afghanistan.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

40. Lady in that photo looks so relieved. No telling what nightmares she's endured.

[Jarqui]

9. Just release the Pee Pee tape as Putin heads for the hills ...nt

[calimary]

15. Dang!

The possibilities!

[Evolve Dammit]

23. At this point, MAGAT base would love him even more, but yeah it would be grossly entertaining

[mwooldri]

10. Putin... Window... Join up the dots...

I'll say no more. Well I lied. Maybe he gets a special brew.

[Escurumbele]

11. I see a lot of people jumping from windows in Russia's immediate future.

But I do hope they succeed and get Putin out of there.

[SouthernDem4ever]

13. Those deputies need to watch what they drink

and who poured it for them. This is probably why the US has not declared Russia a terrorist state- yet.

[Dysfunctional]

14. If the hawks get in control, things could get worse.

At least Putin hasn't used tactical nukes yet.

[wnylib]

36. Now that's a scary thought.

And it's possible. You never know what the final outcome will be when a country's government goes through an upheaval.

[cab67]

18. Putin's biggest blunder?

Timing.

Had he invaded Ukraine before 2021, while Trump was still in the White House, the US wouldn't have lifted a finger to help Ukraine. In fact, Trump would most likely have shared intel with Russia, enabling a more successful invasion.

Yet another reason we should all be extremely grateful that Biden won the election.


(Edited to add this comment: I'm not saying Russia would necessarily be winning with Trump in the White House, but without US economic sanctions against Russia and with fewer modern US-made weapons deployed against Russian forces, Russian forces might not be at the point of collapse at this point in the war. The result would have been a lot bloodier.)

[niyad]

20. Exactly.

[Rebl2]

22. 2001?

Trump not in the WH then. Bush was.

[cab67]

32. That was a typo.

Fixed.

Thanks!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. Putin prob bet tRump was going to win, one way or another. btw, you mean 2021. . . . nt

[cab67]

33. I did.

Fixed it. Thanks!

[LiberalLovinLug]

44. Yup. He was counting on Trump stealing another election.

But

When that didn't happen, Putin made a grave error when his own hubris took over and he decided, F it, I'm going in anyways. Thinking that the EU was in disarray, NATO was infighting. And the US was still a very divided nation, and a good chance his trolls could help the R's win the midterms, and put an end to the arms shipments. And then install their favourite orange agent into the White House again, and then, who knows?....begin a new military operation in the Baltics?

Now, even if Putin is successful in installing a majority in the House and Senate with more Moscow Mitches, its too late. He's already lost the war. Its only a matter of time.

[cab67]

45. Baltics or Caucasus.

Or both.

[niyad]

19. May he, and his enablers, receive everything they deserve. He and his orange lapdog

should both stop wasting oxygen.

[AllaN01Bear]

21. if he leaves , who is going to fill in the vaccum?

[Evolve Dammit]

24. Yes. Serious wild card(s). Wish Navalny was out of prison.

[nycbos]

28. Someone who could be worse unfortunately.

[wnylib]

37. Yes. It's possible that a new Russian leader

could get better generals and equipment fighting on Ukraine. If Putin's critics are unhappy about the course of the war, they might work on improving it instead of pulling out.

So, the world should stick to sanctions and aid to Ukraine on condition that Russia ends the war and returns kidnapped Ukrainians home.

[Beastly Boy]

30. Therre is no apparent siccessor for Putin in sight right now.

It will probably be a struggle to the top among the "siloviki"- the top echelon of Russia's administrators and bureaucrats. Most likely, what will emerge is some sort of a coalition of Russia's power brokers, since none of them have enough of a power base to emerge as a single ruler. Eventually, and it may take years, the most cunning of them will claim the top spot.

But regardless of who will emerge as Russia's ruler, Russia will never regain the status of a superpower, nor will its military pose a threat of attempting conventional warfare in Ukraine or Europe in the short term. NATO will expand, Ukraine will join the EU, Europe will become less dependent on Russia's natural resources, and Russia's pursuit of spheres of influence will have to shift to Asia, where it will have to compete with China and Turkey. As far as Russia's nuclear arsenal, it will be sort of balanced out by the nukes in China, India, Pakistan and possibly Iran and North Korea. NATO's nukes will not be their only concern anymore. It will be a major geopolitical shift for Russia, and they can't avoid it at this point.

But first, whoever takes power in Russia next will have to deal with the consequences of the Ukraine war, which will be severe and will not favor Russia.

[KPN]

38. What do you think the chances are that Navalny

would be released and might factor into the equation? I’m guessing little initially until things settle out at lest. But what is his (Navalny’s) popularity in Russia and how might that affect things?

[Beastly Boy]

39. If Putin is overthrown, the chances are better than 50/50

If Putin's overthrow is preceded and/or followed by popular unrest in Russia's large population centers like Moscow and St. Petersburg, Navalny's chances of release from imprisonment grow exponentially.

I doubt that Navalny has significant support outside large population centers. As far as figuring out the Navalny equation, it is more likely that Putin's demise would contribute to Navalny's release rather than Navalny's release contributing to Putin's demise. Unless Russia becomes a legitimate representative democracy, which I don't think is in the cards any time soon, Navalny's influence on Russia's politics is unlikely to extend beyond that of an opposition leader.

[KPN]

41. Thanks. I appreciate your analyses on Russia-Ukraine, etc.

[Beastly Boy]

43. Take it with a tiny grain of salt. I am far away and not directly connected to the events.

[nycbos]

27. This is what happens with dictators.

No one tells them they don't wanna hear. Putin have these delusions about rebuilding the Russian empire and no one was there to tell them sir Ukraine is a real country they have a distinct identity and they will fight for their nation.

[William Seger]

31. GTFO not enough! Putin should be prosecuted for war crimes (n/t)

[tanyev]

42. Like Republicans that finally give up on Trump but support all the "good things" he accomplished.

[mahina]

46. Do you think he even considered the possibility that they might meet defeat in Ukraine?

[Beastly Boy]

47. Probably not.

But paranoid megalomaniacs who surround themselves with yes men often lose touch with reality.