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Sat Oct 19, 2019, 08:08 PM

Tulsi Gabbard calls Hillary Clinton "the queen of warmongers" in her latest clash with top Democrats

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Why are Hillary Clinton and Tulsi Gabbard fighting? Tension between Gabbard and Democratic leaders goes way back.

By Riley Beggin Oct 19, 2019, 12:16pm EDT

Democratic presidential candidate Rep. Tulsi Gabbard called former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton “the queen of warmongers” Friday in response to comments Clinton made about Gabbard on a podcast earlier in the week. The attacks marked the latest clash between the representative from Hawaii and top Democrats over her controversial foreign policy views, which at times have aligned more with conservatives than members of her own party.

The spat began when Clinton, speaking on the podcast Campaign HQ (hosted by former Obama aide David Plouffe) said Gabbard is “the favorite of the Russians. They have a bunch of sites and bots and other ways of supporting her so far.”

“I think they’ve got their eye on somebody who is currently in the Democratic primary and are grooming her to be the third-party candidate,” Clinton said. A spokesman for Clinton later told the New York Times the “they” she was referring to were Republicans, not Russians.

No evidence was offered to support this assertion, nor have frequent allegations that Russia is helping Gabbard’s campaign been proven. But in the wake of Russian manipulation of the 2016 elections, some Democrats are wary of Gabbard’s surprising popularity in right-wing circles, concerned about her frequent mentions in Russian news media, and suspicious that Russian bots may have promoted Twitter hashtags supporting her.

Clinton seems to be one of these Democrats, and Gabbard responded Friday by saying Clinton’s attacks make it clear she’s been behind “a concerted campaign to destroy my reputation.”

Continued: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/19/20922122/hillary-clinton-tulsi-gabbard-queen-warmongers-russia-2020-election

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Reply Tulsi Gabbard calls Hillary Clinton "the queen of warmongers" in her latest clash with top Democrats (Original post)
Quixote1818 Oct 19 OP
emulatorloo Oct 19 #1
chillfactor Oct 19 #2
lapucelle Oct 19 #3
Quixote1818 Oct 19 #4
lapucelle Oct 19 #5
Quixote1818 Oct 20 #7
lapucelle Oct 20 #8
PSPS Oct 19 #6
Nitram Oct 20 #9
Yonnie3 Oct 20 #10

Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sat Oct 19, 2019, 08:14 PM

1. NBC: Russia's propaganda machine discovers 2020 Democratic candidate Tulsi Gabbard

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1287317286

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Several experts who track websites and social media linked to the Kremlin have also seen what they believe may be the first stirrings of an upcoming Russian campaign of support for Gabbard.

Since Gabbard announced her intention to run on Jan. 11, there have been at least 20 Gabbard stories on three major Moscow-based English-language websites affiliated with or supportive of the Russian government: RT, the Russian-owned TV outlet; Sputnik News, a radio outlet; and Russia Insider, a blog that experts say closely follows the Kremlin line. The CIA has called RT and Sputnik part of "Russia's state-run propaganda machine."

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More at link

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FWIW Russia Today is actively promoting Tusli’s rant.





Btw Vox is incorrect when it reports that Clinton named Gabbard. She didn’t.

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Response to emulatorloo (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 19, 2019, 08:26 PM

2. I hope that

gabbard does not make it on stage for the next Democratic debate. She is no more a Democrat then the orange turd is.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sat Oct 19, 2019, 08:28 PM

3. What is the Vox writer talking about? What spat?

Secretary Clinton said something not about Tulsi, and Tulsi reacted by viciously attacking Secretary Clinton on social media.

As for the Vox writer's assertion concerning there being no evidence evidence, NBC News uncovered some back in February.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/russia-s-propaganda-machine-discovers-2020-democratic-candidate-tulsi-gabbard-n964261



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Response to lapucelle (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 19, 2019, 08:50 PM

4. Possible support but it didn't help her. Gabbard was at 1% and no one was paying attention to her

Now EVERYONE is paying attention to her. It was not a smart move at this juncture.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 19, 2019, 08:56 PM

5. I think it's a great idea to pay attention to Tulsi.

It was a brilliant move at this juncture. Tulsi deserves the scrutiny.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #5)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:01 AM

7. Could not disagree more. It elevated her.


She was at 1% going nowhere! Now she is a household name for a lot more people and in a much better position to do damage.


How Hillary Clinton Boosted Tulsi Gabbard
The 2016 Democratic nominee is right to worry about the congresswoman from Hawaii—but overshot the mark by calling her a Russian asset while offering no proof.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/hillary-clinton-elevating-tulsi-gabbard/600370/

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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 10:16 AM

8. How did this elevate Tulsi?

After all, the New York Times had a major story on Tulsi last week, well before Secretary Clinton's interview. And the NYT called out Tulsi by name.

What, Exactly, Is Tulsi Gabbard Up To?

By Lisa Lerer
Published Oct. 12, 2019
Updated Oct. 18, 2019

As she injects chaos into the 2020 Democratic primary by accusing her own party of “rigging” the election, an array of alt-right internet stars, white nationalists and Russians have praised her.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/us/politics/tulsi-gabbard.html

The article you cite says that Secretary Clinton called Tulsi a Russian asset. Secretary Clinton never said anything like that.

I'm always wary of conventional wisdom and standard narratives, even more so when the pundits purveying them are sloppy with facts.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sat Oct 19, 2019, 11:43 PM

6. This really belongs in primaries

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Response to PSPS (Reply #6)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 11:31 AM

9. Hillary Clinton is not a candidate in this election.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Sun Oct 20, 2019, 01:45 PM

10. Locking after a review by Forum Hosts

Please discuss Democratic Primary Candidates in the Democratic Primaries Forum

Per the announcement on Feb 20, 2019 by site administrators, all discussion of the Democratic Primaries and candidates belongs in the Democratic Primaries Forum. Please re-post there if you like.

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