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Fri Oct 18, 2019, 05:57 PM

General discontent: how the president's military men turned on Trump

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/18/generals-donald-trump-military-criticism

General discontent: how the president's military men turned on Trump

Ed Pilkington in New York

Fri 18 Oct 2019 19.18 BST Last modified on Fri 18 Oct 2019 19.50 BST

Four-star US generals and admirals are a taciturn bunch: they measure their words, qualify their statements and guard their silence out of loyalty to the armed forces and to their country.

Not this week.

A torrent of raw military condemnation has been unleashed on Donald Trump, with some of the most respected figures among retired military leaders lining up to express their profound disapproval of their commander-in-chief.

The outpouring was exceptional, both for the sheer number who unloaded on the president and for the unrestrained language in which they put it. The most breathtaking words came from William McRaven, a former commander of US special operations command who oversaw the 2011 raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

In an opinion article in the New York Times, McRaven accused Trump of spreading “frustration, humiliation, anger and fear” through the armed forces and of championing “despots and strongmen” while abandoning US allies. The four-star admiral called for Trump to either shape up or ship out of the White House.
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The new sense of license to criticize Trump among military leaders originated with the president’s highly contentious decision last week to pull US troops from northern Syria. The sudden move has paved the way for a Turkish invasion that has put a prominent US ally in the fight against Isis, the Syrian Kurds, in mortal danger.

Several US generals and admirals expressed their disgust and bewilderment at Trump’s decision. Adm James Stavridis, former supreme allied commander of Nato, told MSNBC that it was a “geopolitical mistake of near epic proportion”. He said its long-term impact would be to cast doubt on the reliability of the US as an ally.

“It’s hard to imagine how one could, in a single stroke, re-enable Isis, elevate Iran, allow Vladimir Putin the puppet master to continue his upward trajectory and simultaneously put war criminal chemical-weapon user Bashar al-Assad in the driving seat in Syria.”

On the same channel, the former four-star general and battlefield commander in the Gulf, Barry McCaffrey, said the Syrian withdrawal was “inexplicable”.
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Trump’s former national security adviser, HR McMaster, agreed that the decision would destabilize the region and intensify the Syrian civil war.
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keithbvadu2 Oct 18 #2
Haggis for Breakfast Oct 18 #4
keithbvadu2 Oct 18 #6
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BigmanPigman Oct 18 #3
Haggis for Breakfast Oct 18 #5

Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2019, 06:31 PM

1. You know we have reached a new low

Is when the military start speaking out against a president. This is a group who stays out of the political fray.
This fact speaks volumes if anyone is paying attention.

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2019, 07:14 PM

2. But not the general who said we were out of ammunition.

But not the general who said we were out of ammunition.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:05 PM

4. Seriously ?

Because NO general ever said this. EVER.

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:40 PM

6. But Donald said it was one of the really big generals.

But Donald said it was one of the really big generals.

You're just trying to make me lose faith in Trump.

Of course, I have as much faith in Trump as I do in a pederast priest giving marriage advice.

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Response to keithbvadu2 (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:41 PM

7. He also said that the general told him we were out of bullets.

After I stopped gut-laughing at that . . .

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Response to Haggis for Breakfast (Reply #7)

Sat Oct 19, 2019, 03:58 PM

8. but the statement started with SIR

you know right then and there it is a bullshit story

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Response to nitpicker (Original post)

Fri Oct 18, 2019, 07:24 PM

3. I hear the media pushing the idea that they aren't doing enough

and should speak up more.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 18, 2019, 09:19 PM

5. More M$M BS trying to gin up an argument they know is a non-starter.

"Cognizant of the special authority they hold, high-level officers epitomize respect for the chain of command and are extremely reticent about criticizing their civilian overseers." Mark Bowden, in this month's The Atlantic, where he writes a scathing article, titled "General Chaos: What top military officers really think about trump." It aint pretty.

Bowden, a successful author ("Hue 1968," "Black Hawk Down," "Guests of the Ayatollah," "Bringing the Heat," and many others), wrote that in over 20 years of reporting on the military, he has never heard high-ranking officers in high positions express such alarm about a president.

trump's reckless, uninformed and foolish pronouncements and orders have already risked catastrophic and unnecessary wars in the ME and elsewhere. He has created severe problems for field commanders on the ground engaged in combat operations. These senior military officers have scrambled, often after the fact, caught completely unaware and off-guard by his "policy by Twitter," to steer the country away from tragedy.

Ask yourselves, how many more times can they successfully do that before faltering ?

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