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Tue Jun 25, 2019, 02:35 PM

The Boomers Ruined Everything

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/boomers-are-blame-aging-america/592336/

"The Baby Boomers ruined America. That sounds like a hyperbolic claim, but it’s one way to state what I found as I tried to solve a riddle. American society is going through a strange set of shifts: Even as cultural values are in rapid flux, political institutions seem frozen in time. The average U.S. state constitution is more than 100 years old. We are in the third-longest period without a constitutional amendment in American history: The longest such period ended in the Civil War. So what’s to blame for this institutional aging?

One possibility is simply that Americans got older. The average American was 32 years old in 2000, and 37 in 2018. The retiree share of the population is booming, while birth rates are plummeting. When a society gets older, its politics change. Older voters have different interests than younger voters: Cuts to retiree-focused benefits are scarier, while long-term problems such as excessive student debt, climate change, and low birth rates are more easily ignored."
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Clearly it correlates that the boomers screwed up America, but was it caused by boomers? I contend that Reagan Conservatism, not the boomers, are the ones who ruined everything. The article stresses that the boomers didn't invent the things that are causing problems but many areas became worse on their watch.

Check out this article. from yesterday(6/24/19) in The Atlantic. It's fairly serious and it has graphs demonstrating the contentions that:

1. Zoning regulations increased because boomers sought to protect their assets--making housing more expensive for younger people.

2. Licensing for jobs increased drastically beyond what is necessary. It is to protect the older generation's jobs requiring younger generations to get expensive sometimes unnecessary educations to get the job.

3. Jailing of people increased partly in reaction to the 1960s, 70s crime wave but it happened in other countries too and they don't incarcerate at this rate.

4. Debt and "state" intervention to require that it be paid back no matter the circumstances.

5. Young workers are dying and there are fewer of them. Who will cover social security costs?

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Reply The Boomers Ruined Everything (Original post)
Democrats_win Jun 2019 OP
msongs Jun 2019 #1
customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #3
dawg day Jul 2019 #26
SWBTATTReg Jul 2019 #37
redstatebluegirl Jul 2019 #34
DURHAM D Jun 2019 #2
area51 Jun 2019 #22
Triloon Jun 2019 #4
redstatebluegirl Jun 2019 #8
Thekaspervote Jun 2019 #5
stillcool Jun 2019 #6
JudyM Jun 2019 #23
The Wizard Jun 2019 #7
emmaverybo Jun 2019 #9
MBS Jun 2019 #12
emmaverybo Jun 2019 #13
ChazInAz Jun 2019 #14
emmaverybo Jun 2019 #15
murielm99 Jun 2019 #10
dawg day Jul 2019 #38
murielm99 Jul 2019 #39
BigDemVoter Jun 2019 #11
Skittles Jun 2019 #16
Crowman2009 Jun 2019 #17
Apple Fritter Jun 2019 #18
McKim Jun 2019 #19
appalachiablue Jun 2019 #20
FakeNoose Jun 2019 #21
Democrats_win Jul 2019 #25
trev Jun 2019 #24
Democrats_win Jul 2019 #27
Me. Jul 2019 #30
nocoincidences Jul 2019 #28
Me. Jul 2019 #29
Mme. Defarge Jul 2019 #31
brush Jul 2019 #32
klook Jul 2019 #33
redstatebluegirl Jul 2019 #35
Captain Zero Jul 2019 #36
lapucelle Jul 2019 #40

Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 02:56 PM

1. biggest mistake boomers made was having ungrateful children nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 03:12 PM

3. Ha, very true! n/t

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 01:54 PM

26. LOL-- one of my kids was going on about how great we had it and how bad it is for his generation--

Saying I probably only had to pay a few thousand a year tuition for my college. I replied that was true, but I had to pay many thousands for HIS. He kind of forgot that part.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:14 PM

37. Nothing like blaming everybody else, eh? Maybe one day your kid will realise the truth...

Each generation has its own challenges...some rise up and accept and beat the challenges, some do not. I guess every generation has its ups and downs. Take care.

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Response to msongs (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:04 PM

34. Amen!

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 03:03 PM

2. Drivel based on research from American Enterprise Institute

and designed to create riffs and separation.

F' them and this article.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 03:47 PM

22. +1 n/t

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 03:15 PM

4. maga? what have boomers ruined that was so great?

Generational bigotry is as ignorant and ugly as any other bigotry. Everything I ever did to promote social progress was resisted and blocked by conservatives. Don't fix the blame on Boomers when it all belongs on Conservatives, unless you want to replicate the mistakes and failures of the past.
But what do I know, I'm part of the generation that 'ruined everything'. Whatever that was..

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Response to Triloon (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 04:25 PM

8. Amen to this.

I grow weary of the generational bigotry here and on other sites I frequent. Doesn't help one tiny bit and pisses me off totally!

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 03:19 PM

5. More divide and conquer on any subject anytime anywhere.. SAD!!!

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 03:35 PM

6. those are the Republican boomers..

and their offspring.

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Response to stillcool (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 09:17 AM

23. This. Exactly.

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 04:14 PM

7. In a word

Bullshit.

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 04:53 PM

9. 58,220 "boomers" died in the Vietnam war. Thousands upon thousands protesting against it stopped

it continuing by as much as three years. Many who fought in the war fought against it when they came back.

“Boomers” fought against the war on college campuses across the nation; four students died and nine were wounded during a mass protest against the escalation of the war, US military bombing Cambodia, at Kent State in the May Day Massacre.

“Boomers” white and black joined the black-led civil rights movement; “Boomers” helped register voters across the South, sometimes at peril to their lives.

“Boomers” brought us the women’s liberation movement.
“Boomers” brought us the gay rights movement.
“Boomers” launched the environmental movement.

“Each [movement], to varying degrees, changed government policy and, perhaps more importantly changed how almost every American lives today.”

http://www.lessonsite.com/ArchivePages/HistoryOfTheWorld/Lesson31/Protests60s.htm

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 07:00 PM

12. THANK YOU.

I am a proud boomer who has fought for all these causes all my life and I am so sick of this nonsensical and pointless trashing.

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Response to MBS (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 07:12 PM

13. Thank you for your service to the cause of justice, freedom, peace, and a better world.

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 07:39 PM

14. I was there.

I had my limping, Hungarian ass in the streets trying to end the criminal lunacy of the Right Wing: the holdovers from the McCarthy Era, the Viet Nam War, the galloping fascism of Reagan and his heirs. Got beaten up by cops in Chicago during the '68 Democratic convention.
I was there for Civil Rights and the ERA.
When Malcolm X and Martin Luther King were murdered, I was in the streets.

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Response to ChazInAz (Reply #14)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 08:02 PM

15. Thank you for fighting the good fight. And protests in the day were dangerous.

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 05:19 PM

10. Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak were/are boomers.

You like your technology, younger generations? Would you like to go back to a world without it?

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #10)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:22 PM

38. "In my day, young whippersnapper, we were legally allowed only one phone per household!"

"And it was stuck to the WALL!"

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Response to dawg day (Reply #38)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:50 PM

39. This list does not contain everyone of note

in the boomer generation, and there are some I could live without.

We have had to adapt to a changing culture far more than you realize.

But we have contributed quite a bit. My husband and I are still activists. We raised solid Democrats. They learned their activism and sense of civic responsibility from us.

Many members of the younger generations cannot even be bothered with voting.

http://www.boomerslife.org/boomers_social_leaders_actors_musicians_list.htm

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 06:42 PM

11. Hey, I am definitely a boomer, and I didn't do anything to get blamed for this.

In fact, I would say I am no more responsible for this shit than YOU are for our Pussy-Grabbing Pig in Chief.

As others have already written more than once, generational bigotry is no more attractive than it is with race, age, sex, sexual orientation, etc, etc, etc.

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 08:39 PM

16. stereotyping is wrong, no matter who is doing it

the writer makes some points but it is disappointing she blames so many people

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 09:26 PM

17. Don't throw all boomers in the same pile!

Especially the ones who were ahead of their time and did not waiver to the right for one instance.

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 11:24 PM

18. I like this article.

I remember seeing a lot of similar articles like this too. It's good to explain that it's not the entire generation's fault too I mean they are a factor but not a cause. Generation X had not seen this coming and they were powerless to stop something like this. Collective ideas and values matter and there will be a power-shift eventually. It's just that we have to take care of every generation and the boomers are a huge population. We are a lot like Japan in this way with different problems.

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Tue Jun 25, 2019, 11:36 PM

19. Worked in the Anti War Movement Since 1966

I am a boomer who worked in the Anti War and Civil Rights Movement and has been a Human Rights Advocate my whole life. I suggest that younger generations vote for a start and keep going out in the streets even if you don’t get what you want right away. The greatest tragedy of my life has been that our 1960’s Revolution did not succeed. I will never get over this heartbreak. Articles like this are meant to divide. I am so joyous about the leftward move of younger people More power to it!!! It is the entitled conservatives and fascists who are the real problem.

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 01:45 AM

20. The Scourge 'ruined everything,' now runs Wall St, DC, SV?/s Right..




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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Wed Jun 26, 2019, 09:28 AM

21. A few boomers grew up in rich families - and most are even richer today

... thanks to Ronald Reagan and the Repukes who came after him. It's the Repukes who gamed the system for their families, not the boomers. Look at how Fred Trump set his son Donald up for life - and that's how the one-per-centers fixed the system for their kids. But that's only a very small percentage of the Baby Boomer generation.

Most of us were screwed from the beginning. Our whole lives we've had to deal with too much competition from the huge numbers of us. There weren't enough schools for us, not enough jobs for us, not enough affordable housing for us, and pretty soon there won't be enough cemeteries for us.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 01:48 PM

25. "Not enough" for us--that is very true.

Especially for those who were in the later years of the boomer generation. Heck in second grade I can remember my teachers talking about how there wouldn't be enough for us. Sometimes it was ok, but mostly, good jobs were hard to come by.

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Thu Jun 27, 2019, 12:03 PM

24. At least 60% of the protestors at the Impeach Trump rally

I attended were Boomers like me.

We have a long history of working for social change.

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 01:56 PM

27. Atlantic's website gives two letters in response to the article.

Everyone at DU had great responses to this article. As some mention, the article wrongly lumps all baby boomers together. I thought that you might enjoy one of the two responses to the article from the Atlantic's web site:

https://www.theatlantic.com/letters/archive/2019/07/boomers-are-not-blame-letters/592930/

"Lyman Stone misses entirely that plenty of Boomers are also have-nots in the woeful picture he paints, and many have battled and continue to battle the policies he laments. He also fails to note that many Boomers, like me, continue to help our Gen X, Y, and Z and Millennial kids in many ways. We pay off their college loans, keep their cellphones on our family plans, pay their car insurance, pick up unexpected car-repair and other bills, and provide money for vacations. Many of us do this while we’re also providing support for our Greatest Generation parents. I assure Mr. Stone that we are painfully aware that something has gone awry in our nation’s economy.

We know, however, that our age isn’t the problem: American economic attitudes and policies are. Since our country’s inception, policies have been designed to establish, widen, and protect race, class, and gender divides. Plenty of Boomers are on the self-protective economic bandwagon, along with people in Gen X, Y, and Z and plenty of Millennials. However, they’re not there because of their age—they’re there because they believe they have a right to more than the next person, especially if that next person is a person of color, a woman, or an immigrant. Greed and self-interest know no generational boundaries.

Margie Perscheid
Alexandria, Va.


Although I like the response, it doesn't entirely capture the feelings at DU especially when you consider the service to the country from Baby Boomers both in Vietnam and in stopping the war in Vietnam. Billy Joel's song, "We Didn't Start the Fire" still seems relevant. Although I ask, how can we say that now that we are in our 50s? But the power, the bigotry and greed of those who came before us was so powerful that some of us were "captured" while others fought back and still others suffered in their own ways. The true problem is with conservatism (small government?, trickle down economics?) is now a proven lie and will hopefully collapse.

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Response to Democrats_win (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 01:58 PM

30. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 01:57 PM

28. I've been in the thick of activism

since the Sixties and Cesar Chavez and the UFW lettuce and grape boycotts. There was a point in my life when the only times I had ever been in Washington was after a long busride to march on it.

I am tired, but still trying. At least I can make phone calls for the Democratic party now.

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 01:57 PM

29. Someone Put Up A Post Last Week

which disputes a lot of this boomers are bad business. And I agree with you that things began a slow crumble with Reagan, who did more to harm this country except for the current occupant. It was during that time that drowning the gov. in a tub began to raise it's head.

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 01:59 PM

31. Back in the late 1990's a younger coworker

told me to my face that the country would be better off when the boomer generation died off.

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:00 PM

32. You are right. Boomers are split politically as any other generation.

Repug boomers along with others gave us trump, W, Daddy Bush and Reagan. Dem boomers gave us Obama, Clinton and Carter—almost Hillary Clinton except for Putin, repug vote suppressors and Comey so you are correct in blaming the convervative half of the cohort and not the whole.

GenXers and millennials are split too. You hear me, millennials? There are trumpers in your midst too.

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:01 PM

33. This is the latest in a series of hit pieces designed to pit generations against each other

in service of destroying Social Security & Medicare, courtesy of right-wing “think” tanks. It’s complete horseshit, and I hope nobody here falls for this narrative.

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Response to klook (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:06 PM

35. Yes and many are not smart enough to recognize it.

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 02:09 PM

36. Licensing has increased

But I think one big reason for it is the youngsters degrees not preparing them the ways ours did. Every licensing exam I took recently I got the highest score and some kids had to drop out of the organization for not passing it. Part of it is their phone it in, log on to it degrees from private for-profit outfits that really are not Universities. Another failure of capitalism turning out failures.

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Response to Democrats_win (Original post)

Mon Jul 1, 2019, 03:17 PM

40. The author of that piece (Lyman Stone) is a senior contributor at The Federalist

and a research fellow at the right wing Institute for Family Studies.

https://ifstudies.org/about/our-mission

In addition, given the fact that his entire argument is predicated on a post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy, it's hard to believe that anyone on DU would trust his conclusion.

https://ifstudies.org/about/our-mission

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