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babylonsister

(171,059 posts)
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 10:02 AM Dec 2011

Joe Conason: The Lethal Fantasies Of Dear Old Ron Paul

http://www.nationalmemo.com/article/lethal-fantasies-dear-old-ron-paul

The Lethal Fantasies Of Dear Old Ron Paul
Wed, 12/21/2011 - 8:39am —
Joe Conason


The latest evidence of simmering racial resentment on the American political fringe showed up Monday in a Facebook post by a California man who urged the assassination of the President and his two daughters in obscene, racist language. Aside from the Secret Service, there was little reason to pay attention to this sick boob -- except that he was identified as a local political leader of the Tea Party and an avid supporter of Rep. Ron Paul, the Texas Republican who now seems likely to place first in the Iowa presidential caucuses.

To those who have followed Dr. Paul's long career as a failed presidential candidate -- whose campaigns have become a family business -- the appearance of yet another racist nutjob in his orbit is scarcely news. The newsletters that earned millions of dollars for him from gullible subscribers over the decades were often soiled with vile invectives against blacks and other minorities. He is a perennial favorite of the John Birch Society and kindred extremists on the right. He once refused to return a donation from a leader of the Nazi-worshipping skinheads in the Stormfront movement.

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Back then, his rhetorical flirtations with the White Citizens Councils hardly mattered. Almost nobody bothered to listen seriously to his urgings that America return to the gold standard, repeal the income tax and the direct election of US Senators, and erase all of the advances of the past century in protecting the public from cyclical depressions, poisonous food, water, air, and drugs, and the insecurities of poverty, old age and ill health. Most Americans still could remember when this Darwinian ideology influenced policy and knew that the nation was not better off -- except for a few robber barons -- back in the days before Theodore Roosevelt inaugurated the Progressive Era, beginning a century of reform.

On the far right, including wealthy figures such as the Koch family that once supported the Birch Society and now backs the Tea Party, there are many who share Paul's brand of political nostalgia. Kindly and gentle as he appears, Paul has always known how to sound the dog whistle that excites them, whether it was in the anti-black invective that adorned his newsletters for years, the claims that medicine served us better before Medicare and Medicaid, or the campaign against the Federal Reserve. Although Paul has occasionally disavowed his supporters on the ultra-right when political expediency demanded it, they have never abandoned him -- and they won't, because whether or not he is actually a racial bigot, he shares their disdain for the 20th century.

There is little reason to worry about the policies of a Paul administration, despite his current lead in the Iowa polls. But the rise of the Tea Party and the vacuum of leadership in the Republican Party have created a space for Paul's lethal fantasies, which if enacted would return us to the bad old days of mass poverty, rampant pollution, racial supremacy, and all the other ills that characterized the America of the robber barons.
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Joe Conason: The Lethal Fantasies Of Dear Old Ron Paul (Original Post) babylonsister Dec 2011 OP
Must read JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #1
Thank you, Mister Conason! nt MADem Dec 2011 #2
Wait a second, isn't Paul supposed to be scrupulous about from whom he accepts donations? ChadwickHenryWard Dec 2011 #3
Interesting iamhuman Dec 2011 #4
Umm.... EvilMonsanto Dec 2011 #5
I think you need to google Ron Paul and racism. Really. If babylonsister Dec 2011 #6
I did EvilMonsanto Dec 2011 #7
I haven't seen any evidence many minorities want him in office. babylonsister Dec 2011 #8
"Come on man, even Cenk who is so anti-racism somewhat likes Paul " MarkCharles Dec 2011 #10
Kick and recommend. This article shows why even Republicans don't... MarkCharles Dec 2011 #9
Yep, and a belated welcome to DU to you, MarkCharles. nt babylonsister Dec 2011 #11
Post removed Post removed Dec 2011 #12
Well It's NOT an easy decision EvilMonsanto Dec 2011 #13
You really should do a little or a lot more research Angry Dragon Dec 2011 #14
Interesting question! Hardrada Dec 2011 #15
Who told you learning to make adult decisions was an easy choice? MarkCharles Dec 2011 #16

JustAnotherGen

(31,818 posts)
1. Must read
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 10:49 AM
Dec 2011

And this is why we must have 5 fast facts about Ron Paul tucked away in our minds when we comes across his supporters.

1. They are rabid.
2. They have an overwhelming urge to NOT make sense.
3. When presented with to the point facts on the man - they are very often shocked at his LONG HISTORY of words and behavior . . .

It's good to follow up with: R.P. Supporter - he's shown you who he is. Now believe him.

ChadwickHenryWard

(862 posts)
3. Wait a second, isn't Paul supposed to be scrupulous about from whom he accepts donations?
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 12:54 PM
Dec 2011

Aren't his supporters always crowing about how he refuses donations from such-and-such special interests? But he won't give money back to the guy who founded Stormfront? Right, I totally believe he didn't write those newsletters....

 

iamhuman

(15 posts)
4. Interesting
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 06:05 PM
Dec 2011

So help me here?
So we at Democracy under ground don't like Ron Paul.
The far right doesn't like him either. [that don't attack Iran stuff killed that for him]

Not to worry he can't be elected!
He isn't the kind to change his stand and doesn't believe in wars and killing and he is the guy that pointed out the wall street stuff!
So none of the money that comes from the War Machine, or Banks is coming Paul's way.
And that media.. Which we here have complained about for years..
Is to expensive.. for Ron Paul unless he can get a bunch of normal folk to give him money he is dead in the water so to speak.



I went to the link above and no one is censoring the chat at National Memo so there where a few defenders of Paul there?

My self I am human.. love to watch ball games.. but look at my self on Sunday's and say did who won matter?
Well heck yes if it was my team...

IHU

 

EvilMonsanto

(150 posts)
5. Umm....
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 07:42 PM
Dec 2011

This is the only guy that doesn't want to bomb brown people
Listen he wants austerity measures, i'm not for that, also he wants to close govt. depts. that we need

that should be enough honestly
but to paint someone that has fought more for civile liberties than majority of dems as a racist is just complete nonsense to me
also it somewhat alienates me from the DU
Makes me think you only support the democratic party as opposed to true progressive individuals in the Dem party.

You know voting for the lesser evil is still voting for evil

Obama is bombing countries all over the middle east, killing innocent civilians thereby prologing the war
Anyone knows what he's doing in Somalia? Have you seen the Jeremy Schahill report on Somalia?
It's TRULY disturbing

I just don't get some of the arguments here
he's also against the banking system which hurts minorities the most

Come on guys

babylonsister

(171,059 posts)
6. I think you need to google Ron Paul and racism. Really. If
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 07:51 PM
Dec 2011

you think you've educated yourself concerning Obama, the least you can do is likewise for Paul.

 

EvilMonsanto

(150 posts)
7. I did
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 08:23 PM
Dec 2011

Actions and voting records speak louder than what you are referring to

I'm not defending him
But I know that the DU members want less Ron Paul threads and posts

So when you have threads like this, then of course some people will be like WTH

Come on man, even Cenk who is so anti-racism somewhat likes Paul
He, like me, wouldn't vote for him but at least we see him as a good guy

You know I was once at a get to gether
There were some Ron Paulers there
we discusses politics, I said I could never vote republican

afterwards when people scattered a muslim came over to me and said: "Just for partisan reasons you will continue to allow the bombing of innocent people overseas?"

I said it's not just partisanship, he also wants to end several essential departments

But he had a point though
you call him racist but many minorities want him in office

babylonsister

(171,059 posts)
8. I haven't seen any evidence many minorities want him in office.
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 09:04 PM
Dec 2011

The man is messed up, but has good points (anti-war, pro-weed). The point is to research who you vote for, and that's the crime also. So many people don't. I suspect many Paul advocates would be appalled if they actually knew what he was about.

 

MarkCharles

(2,261 posts)
10. "Come on man, even Cenk who is so anti-racism somewhat likes Paul "
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 09:34 PM
Dec 2011

This shows how shallow the thinking and analysis skills of some people who listen to Cenk can be.

The very reasons Cenk does NOT agree with Ron Paul have to do with race, past history, and Paul's libertarian leanings.

I have a slogan you might want to study: "even a stopped clock is right twice a day".

That's about where Cenk's clock and Paul's clock are in agreement, no more wars.

I suspect the reason Paul doesn't want wars is because he doesn't want to have to pay for them.

Cenk has a different reason, a lot of different reasons.

 

MarkCharles

(2,261 posts)
9. Kick and recommend. This article shows why even Republicans don't...
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 09:30 PM
Dec 2011

want to be associated with him, and are embarrassed that over 20% of Republican voters want to advance Ron Paul toward the White House.

Shows how absurd and racist and crazy so many voters who claim to be Republican actually are, even if the Republicans and Fox News don't want to admit it.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

 

EvilMonsanto

(150 posts)
13. Well It's NOT an easy decision
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 10:11 PM
Dec 2011

Obama is so pro war
I don't know what to do

I would love to vote for Dennis Kucinich or Grayson
But they aren't candidates

So what do I do?

At least don't alienate me DU
Don't tell me it's an easy choice

I am a disgruntled Dem, yes perhaps
But too many innocents dying and you guys are okay with that as long as the killer is a member of the left
That logic alienates me way too much DU

I'm just being honest i'm sorry
but it is what it is

If all that that remains is Ron Paul or Obama TELL ME ONE THING?
Who Will AIPAC SUPPORT?

Answer me that!!!

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
14. You really should do a little or a lot more research
Wed Dec 21, 2011, 11:50 PM
Dec 2011

Check out all of his positions not just two
What does it matter who AIPAC supports??

You decide what kind of country you want to live in
and who might provide the best chance to live there............

 

MarkCharles

(2,261 posts)
16. Who told you learning to make adult decisions was an easy choice?
Thu Dec 22, 2011, 06:49 PM
Dec 2011

I think you wish it were easy. That's what you're saying, isn't it? You wish it were easy.

But you haven't done the resarch or the homework, and declaring a man who has minimized wars as much as possible as "pro war", I guess you were ten when Bush launched HIS two foolish wars, and nothing is easy in adult life. We are not given unlimited choices among all idealistic options.

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