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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:22 AM May 2016

Here’s how much money was burned trying to stop Donald Trump

Campaign finance law -- the creaky, leaky boundary between our political process and the trillions of dollars swirling around in our economy -- still affords some insights into how political forces wage their wars. For example, outside groups spending money on the presidential race must (within certain qualifications) report how much they spent and for or against whom. It's that "for or against" that's interesting, adding a little plus-minus variable to the numbers that tells us much more than we'd get just with a dollar sign.

The problem traditionally has been that parsing those reports is time-consuming. Enter ProPublica, the non-profit media site. It put together a nice little tool compiling those "independent expenditure" reports (as they're known), allowing us to more easily dive into the numbers.

And so we can see, relatively easily, how much money was spent against the top-tier Republican candidates since the beginning of the year. And when we do so, one name stands out.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/05/06/heres-how-much-money-was-burned-trying-to-stop-donald-trump/

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Here’s how much money was burned trying to stop Donald Trump (Original Post) bemildred May 2016 OP
Donald Trump represents the party base — it’s time for GOP leaders to finally admit it bemildred May 2016 #1
He was a Democrat until 2009 Baobab May 2016 #14
The question is not who he is so much as who he is pandering to. bemildred May 2016 #15
"Hillary forces target Bush donors:Their message to moderate Republicans:She represents your values" Baobab May 2016 #16
Yeah, exactly. bemildred May 2016 #17
Matalin on Party Change: "I Am a Never Hillary And a Provisional Trump"; He Could Win In Landslide bemildred May 2016 #2
Sheldon Adelson Backs Trump, While Clinton Goes Fishing for Bush Donors bemildred May 2016 #3
DWS has to share in the blame. merrily May 2016 #4
Trunp's mastery of the media is a problem, but DWS is just a symptom of that problem, a minion. bemildred May 2016 #5
Sorry, but she's a perp, not a scapegoat. merrily May 2016 #6
The two things do not exclude each other. bemildred May 2016 #7
Actually, they do exclude each other, if we are talking about a single act or single set of acts. merrily May 2016 #8
It is extra convenient for scapegoats to be guilty, that makes them far better as scapegoats. bemildred May 2016 #9
Again, they do exclude each other. If you are responsible for X, you are not taking the blame for merrily May 2016 #10
I see. You are obviousy completely correct. Have a nice day. nt bemildred May 2016 #11
I posted definitions and a specific comment. You repeated the same conclusory statement you posted merrily May 2016 #12
Please see post #11, and repeat as necessary. nt bemildred May 2016 #13
$20.4 million? fred v May 2016 #18
It's peanuts really, they will save the big bucks, the killer secrets, the really hard to refute bemildred May 2016 #19

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
1. Donald Trump represents the party base — it’s time for GOP leaders to finally admit it
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:24 AM
May 2016

In the days leading up to the Indiana primary, Ted Cruz announced that America faced “a time for choosing” .

He didn’t say it just to pretentiously quote Ronald Reagan in his failed attempt to catapult Barry Goldwater to the presidency (though it did have that added benefit). Rather, Cruz did it to frame the debate: Americans could either back him, a principled if widely reviled conservative insider, or they could back Donald Trump and “plunge into the abyss”.

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/05/donald-trump-represents-the-party-base-its-time-for-gop-leaders-to-finally-admit-it/

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
15. The question is not who he is so much as who he is pandering to.
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:07 PM
May 2016

I think to be fair, he would be willing to pander to most anyone, his opinions are cheap. He shows no sign of being ideological, that would require thinking and commitments.

Trump is Trump, parties get to be affiliated with him, not the other way around.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
16. "Hillary forces target Bush donors:Their message to moderate Republicans:She represents your values"
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:19 PM
May 2016
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hilary-clinton-bush-donors-222872


"Hillary forces target Bush donors: Their message to moderate Republicans: She represents your values better than Trump."

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
17. Yeah, exactly.
Fri May 6, 2016, 07:26 PM
May 2016

Everything is play now, like in the Vietnam years, new coalitions are forming, outsider insurgencies on the right and the left, we live in interesting times.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
2. Matalin on Party Change: "I Am a Never Hillary And a Provisional Trump"; He Could Win In Landslide
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:26 AM
May 2016

Republican strategist Mary Matalin discusses Donald Trump and her decision to change her party affiliation on With All Due Respect from Republican to Libertarian. Matalin also said she is a "provisional Trumpster" and that the presumptive Republican presidential nominee "could win in a landslide."

Matalin said the change had nothing to do with Trump, but because Jeffersonian and Madisonian constitutional principles are better represented in the Libertarian party than Republican party.

"The more you attack him, the stronger he gets," Matalin warned on Bloomberg. "We've been wrong at every single juncture ... people are sick of political correctness, they are sick of identity politics."

The veteran Republican operative said Trump could win Colorado, New Mexico and possible some of the mid-western states. However, she said Trump will not win Pennsylvania.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/06/matalin_on_party_change_i_am_a_never_hillary_and_a_provisional_trump_he_could_win_in_landslide.html

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
3. Sheldon Adelson Backs Trump, While Clinton Goes Fishing for Bush Donors
Fri May 6, 2016, 10:28 AM
May 2016

Donald Trump has landed his first megadonor. To this point, the presumptive nominee has had trouble winning over his fellow subscribers to Better Yachts and Private Islands magazine. The Koch brothers have decided they’ve got better elections to buy. Most of the Bush-family money lenders are still recovering from what the Donald did to their poor Jeb. But Sheldon G. Adelson — who spent $150 million helping Mitt Romney lose in 2012 — told the New York Times Thursday night that he wants to make America great again.

“Yes, I’m a Republican, he’s a Republican,” the casino magnate said when asked if he intended to support Trump this fall. “He’s our nominee. Whoever the nominee would turn out to be, any one of the 17 — he was one of the 17. He won fair and square.”

Trump began courting Adelson last October, when he accused the Jewish billionaire of trying to mold Marco Rubio into “his perfect little puppet.”

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/05/adelson-wants-to-make-america-great-again.html

merrily

(45,251 posts)
4. DWS has to share in the blame.
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:34 AM
May 2016

By delaying the first Democratic debate, she allowed Republicans to take up all the politics oxygen in the mass media. She could have had millions of dollars in free advertising for the Democratic candidates and she opted not to take it. She needs to be fired, but fat chance.


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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
5. Trunp's mastery of the media is a problem, but DWS is just a symptom of that problem, a minion.
Fri May 6, 2016, 11:51 AM
May 2016

So while I would like her returned to private life, very private life, I don't think anything you can do to her will fix the problem, she just becomes the scapegoat and the game goes on.

Letting Trump have a free run was a mistake, they thought they could use him, and he used them instead. Who knew?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
8. Actually, they do exclude each other, if we are talking about a single act or single set of acts.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:11 PM
May 2016
Perpetrator
noun
1.
a person who perpetrates, or commits, an illegal, criminal, or evil act:
The perpetrators of this heinous crime must be found and punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Scapegoat
noun
1.
a person or group made to bear the blame for others or to suffer in their place.


Both from dictionary. com

In the thing I described in my post, I was blaming her for what DWS herself did, not for anything others did.

Criticizing her in a post is "taking out after her?"

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
9. It is extra convenient for scapegoats to be guilty, that makes them far better as scapegoats.
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:17 PM
May 2016

Again, the two things do not exclude each other. It is common in such entrerprises to make sure they are guilty, just to ensure loyalty.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
10. Again, they do exclude each other. If you are responsible for X, you are not taking the blame for
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:20 PM
May 2016

others for X. And I did not accuse of her of anything for which she was not responsible, namely the debate schedule.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
12. I posted definitions and a specific comment. You repeated the same conclusory statement you posted
Fri May 6, 2016, 12:24 PM
May 2016

originally, without refuting what I posted, then went off in a huff. Again, I did not blame her for anything but her own actions. But you have a great day as well.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
19. It's peanuts really, they will save the big bucks, the killer secrets, the really hard to refute
Sat May 7, 2016, 06:58 AM
May 2016

accusations, for the Summer and Fall.

Our current leaders won't take Trump seriously enough until he's been in the White House for three weeks, that would be to admit egregious error, and they never err.

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