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OhioChick

(23,218 posts)
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:19 PM Jan 2015

Government health care website quietly sharing personal data

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Source: AP

Published: Today

WASHINGTON (AP) - The government's health insurance website is quietly sending consumers' personal data to private companies that specialize in advertising and analyzing Internet data for performance and marketing, The Associated Press has learned.

The scope of what is disclosed or how it might be used was not immediately clear, but it can include age, income, ZIP code, whether a person smokes, and if a person is pregnant. It can include a computer's Internet address, which can identify a person's name or address when combined with other information collected by sophisticated online marketing or advertising firms.

The Obama administration says HealthCare.gov's connections to data firms were intended to help improve the consumer experience. Officials said outside firms are barred from using the data to further their own business interests.

There is no evidence that personal information has been misused. But connections to dozens of third-party tech firms were documented by technology experts who analyzed HealthCare.gov and then confirmed by AP. A handful of the companies were also collecting highly specific information. That combination is raising concerns.

Read more: http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_289563/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=Py6rd7WO



HealthCare.gov Sends Personal Data to Dozens of Tracking Websites

January 20, 2015

The Associated Press reports that healthcare.gov–the flagship site of the Affordable Care Act, where millions of Americans have signed up to receive health care–is quietly sending personal health information to a number of third party websites. The information being sent includes one's zip code, income level, smoking status, pregnancy status and more.

EFF researchers have independently confirmed that healthcare.gov is sending personal health information to at least 14 third party domains, even if the user has enabled Do Not Track. The information is sent via the referrer header, which contains the URL of the page requesting a third party resource. The referrer header is an essential part of the HTTP protocol, and is sent for every request that is made on the web. The referrer header lets the requested resource know what URL the request came from. This would for example let a website know who else was linking to their pages. In this case however the referrer URL contains personal health information.

https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/01/healthcare.gov-sends-personal-data
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Government health care website quietly sharing personal data (Original Post) OhioChick Jan 2015 OP
This is the part I like best.... pangaia Jan 2015 #1
Yeah - right. 840high Jan 2015 #2
The part I like best.... ChromeFoundry Jan 2015 #3
they really, REALLY think we are stupid Skittles Jan 2015 #5
Don't worry TPP is perfectly safe, you can keep your job if you like your job, eom whereisjustice Jan 2015 #4
Oh bullshit. seabeckind Jan 2015 #6
Oh bullshit is right. :-| n/t DeSwiss Jan 2015 #7
What? Seriously? ChromeFoundry Jan 2015 #9
Yeah, seriously. seabeckind Jan 2015 #11
And furthermore.... ChromeFoundry Jan 2015 #10
Speaking of fail... seabeckind Jan 2015 #12
Turn on Private Browsing ChromeFoundry Jan 2015 #14
Yep. seabeckind Jan 2015 #15
K&R DeSwiss Jan 2015 #8
Well, I'll wait for the dust to clear but ... Babel_17 Jan 2015 #13
Locking, sorry, but this is a duplicate. Please continue discussion and post updates here: Rhiannon12866 Jan 2015 #16

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
1. This is the part I like best....
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:29 PM
Jan 2015

"The Obama administration says HealthCare.gov's connections to data firms were intended to help improve the consumer experience."





 

840high

(17,196 posts)
2. Yeah - right.
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jan 2015

ChromeFoundry

(3,270 posts)
3. The part I like best....
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jan 2015

is the site's Privacy statement that states:

We also collect non-personally identifiable information through the use of tracking pixels that appear on our pages. A tracking pixel is a transparent graphic image (usually 1 pixel x 1 pixel) that is placed on a web page and, in combination with a cookie, allows us to collect information regarding the use of the web page that contains the tracking pixel.


I wonder how much doubleclick.net is paying the government to track your data every month. Where is the transparency?

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
5. they really, REALLY think we are stupid
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:50 PM
Jan 2015

whereisjustice

(2,941 posts)
4. Don't worry TPP is perfectly safe, you can keep your job if you like your job, eom
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:41 PM
Jan 2015

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
6. Oh bullshit.
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 10:53 PM
Jan 2015

Personal info my butt. And it isn't the gov't site compromising the info it's that a 3rd party under contract for support might (maybe, just might) have ahole that when combined with other information on your PC, might be a way to get your info.

Oh bullshit.

Just another stealth attack on the program.

They wanted all the contracting out and now they're saying that's a weak spot...well, quit contracting out...duh.

"The scope of what is disclosed or how it might be used was not immediately clear, but it can include age, income, ZIP code, whether a person smokes, and if a person is pregnant. It can include a computer's Internet address, which can identify a person's name or address when combined with other information collected by sophisticated online marketing or advertising firms."


Oh, and cookies are an essential part of that but the gov't site didn't do those, the 3rd party MAY have done it.

As I thought about it...on this site right here, if you click an add link, just what happens?

The exact same thing.


 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
7. Oh bullshit is right. :-| n/t
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:03 PM
Jan 2015

ChromeFoundry

(3,270 posts)
9. What? Seriously?
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:12 PM
Jan 2015

You really think there wasn't an iron-clad service level agreement and privacy agreement signed prior to the gov't contracted, said 3rd party?

You really think the gov't has no idea that the healthcare.cov site is generating the URL links and providing your personal information into the query string of the request?

Fact: A third part cannot place tracking ads on the hosted healthcare.gov web site without their knowledge. Impossible. And, All modern browsers protect against cross-site scripting attacks.

Do you even understand how the HTTP protocol works, because it seems that you flat out fault the advertisers for this breach of data, and that is simply a flat out lie.

Since you don't believe the gov't was involved, and is not being paid for generating requests for tracking ads to third party sites... can I interest you in buying a bridge I have for sale?

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
11. Yeah, seriously.
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:18 PM
Jan 2015

I know exactly how HTTP works.

The holes pointed out in this article are ones that MIGHT be in the 3rd party site that is hopped to from the gov't site. When the gov't site does the passoff it includes the info listed in my comment (you might note that the quote from the gov't spokesperson says no ID info is passed -- and if somebody can figure out which of the non-smoking men at my age in my zip code is me, they're a lot smarter than my internet provider)

And then to imply that I can be tracked from that IP address? What that marketer will find out is that somehow the zip code for central Indiana got moved to New Jersey.

BTW, clear your cookies.

ChromeFoundry

(3,270 posts)
10. And furthermore....
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:16 PM
Jan 2015

the site ignores the HTTP "Do Not Track" request header.

FAIL!

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
12. Speaking of fail...
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:23 PM
Jan 2015
"When you turn on the Do Not Track feature, Firefox tells every website you visit (as well as their advertisers and other content providers) that you don't want your browsing behavior tracked. Honoring this setting is voluntary — individual websites are not required to respect it. Websites that do honor this setting should automatically stop tracking your behavior without any further action from you."

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-do-i-turn-do-not-track-feature

IOW, it is up to the recipient of the pass-off to not do the tracking. And I'm sure they will do it...

If you don't want to be tracked...don't leave tracks.

ChromeFoundry

(3,270 posts)
14. Turn on Private Browsing
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:33 PM
Jan 2015

and edit your hosts file (there is no place like 127.0.0.1) or put access restriction right on your router.

That is about the only way they won't be able to track you, be it 3rd party or gov't.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
15. Yep.
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:37 PM
Jan 2015

Agent mike will tell, tho. Agent mike knows when you're good or bad...

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
8. K&R
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:08 PM
Jan 2015

Sucks, huh? Well, you'll get used to it.....

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
13. Well, I'll wait for the dust to clear but ...
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:24 PM
Jan 2015

Well, I'll wait for the dust to clear but there is a way to collect useful data that doesn't identify individuals. And there is a way to make that voluntary, and to make it so people can choose what level of info they are comfortable sharing, if they choose to share at all.

I think we might have a case where nothing nefarious is going on but it's "just" a matter of there being too much compartmentalization, and some higher ups swimming in unfamiliar waters.

Issues like this is have long ago been addressed by companies like Microsoft, Google, the Mozilla project, Steam, and so on. You tell people up front, you lay it all out, and you give them choices.

Sigh, this might cost us some good will with geeks and privacy advocates who are undecided about voting our way. But if we address it head on we can quickly put it behind us.

Rhiannon12866

(205,467 posts)
16. Locking, sorry, but this is a duplicate. Please continue discussion and post updates here:
Tue Jan 20, 2015, 11:48 PM
Jan 2015
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