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alp227

(32,021 posts)
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 08:43 PM Dec 2011

Formula maker says tests show no sign of bacteria

The manufacturer of the widely used baby formula Enfamil said Sunday that its testing shows the product is free of the bacteria blamed for the death of a Missouri infant.

Mead Johnson Nutrition said two tests of samples of its Enfamil Premium Newborn formula found no sign of the bacteria, known as Cronobacter sakazakii. The samples tested were taken from the same lot as the formula given to the baby boy who died, the company said.

The Missouri case prompted retail giant Walmart to pull all cans of the same size and lot number from its shelves last week. Another newborn baby was sickened in Illinois, but is recovering from the infection, according to the state health department.

"These new results reaffirm the testing conducted before the batch was made available to retailers and consumers," the company said in a written statement on the results. "Based on both sets of tests, Mead Johnson can say with confidence that Enfamil Premium Newborn formula, like every infant formula the company produces, is safe."

full: http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/25/health/missouri-infant-infection/index.html

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Formula maker says tests show no sign of bacteria (Original Post) alp227 Dec 2011 OP
Oh yes I believe that!> Survivoreesta Dec 2011 #1
Yes - bacterial assays are so underhanded and incredible. dmallind Dec 2011 #3
The assay was likely done on freshly mixed formula. "Old" formula could be infectious. McCamy Taylor Dec 2011 #9
So in other words you think the user let the stuff stand until it spoiled. What food doesn't spoil? dmallind Dec 2011 #10
What exactly don't you believe? skepticscott Dec 2011 #5
You're on DU - must blame the company. emilyg Dec 2011 #15
Exactly skepticscott Dec 2011 #20
Local news - CDC is testing emilyg Dec 2011 #26
wasn't it powdered formula? Celebration Dec 2011 #2
So would I. Very isolated case. No emilyg Dec 2011 #4
Two cases. One case is "isolated". Two cases is an "outbreak." McCamy Taylor Dec 2011 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author HereSince1628 Dec 2011 #11
Someone else made the suggestion dipsydoodle Dec 2011 #6
This bacteria is described as a "food born" illness, so it likely came from food. McCamy Taylor Dec 2011 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author HereSince1628 Dec 2011 #12
Uh, a routine test skepticscott Dec 2011 #13
is it possible then Maine-ah Dec 2011 #22
Or Peregrine Dec 2011 #14
Could've been George W. Bush... just sayin'. n/t cherokeeprogressive Dec 2011 #16
That's excactly what I wa sthinking obamanut2012 Dec 2011 #23
My first thought when I heard about this SheilaT Dec 2011 #17
Zeeland, MI. nt dmallind Dec 2011 #19
I make infant formula, and know the entire process thoughtcrime1984 Dec 2011 #18
Recalls happen with regularity vanlassie Dec 2011 #27
The link below has more interesting info on this bacteria newfie11 Dec 2011 #21
Given that Walmart is such a dominent retailer, the odds are that Walmart would have sold the hedgehog Dec 2011 #24
I dont want to know what the manufacturer says! I want to know what an independent lab or FDA has Pachamama Dec 2011 #25

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
9. The assay was likely done on freshly mixed formula. "Old" formula could be infectious.
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 09:31 PM
Dec 2011

See the link below about how the bacterium can cling to plastics and multiply.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
5. What exactly don't you believe?
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 09:17 PM
Dec 2011

That neither the company, the FDA or the CDC could get fairly elementary testing right, or that they would be honest about it if they did?

If the samples they tested (and presumably a lot of others in the stores or already purchased) really had deadly bacterial contamination, what would it profit anybody to cover it up and have a lot of other children die?

Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #8)

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
7. This bacteria is described as a "food born" illness, so it likely came from food.
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 09:27 PM
Dec 2011

According to this article, it can cling to plastics. Therefore, it is possible that the contamination of the formula was so slight that it can not be confirmed with routine tests but if the two infants were given dirty bottles---i.e. if the parents did not clean the bottles adequately between feeds---the bacteria would multiply and eventually cause infection in the infants.

In other words, everyone may be telling the truth.

http://www.foodsafetynews.com/2010/06/on-cronobacter-sakazakii/

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skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
13. Uh, a routine test
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 10:38 PM
Dec 2011
cultures any bacteria present, and gives them a chance to grow and multiply, just as they would in the scenario you describe. Why are you resorting to lame special pleading rather than admit that there may be nothing wrong with the product?

Maine-ah

(9,902 posts)
22. is it possible then
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 09:27 AM
Dec 2011

that the contamination came from the packaging and not from the formula it's self?

Peregrine

(992 posts)
14. Or
Sun Dec 25, 2011, 11:05 PM
Dec 2011

It could be another "Tylenol" type incident.

It could be a parent/caretaker.

A disgruntled employee spiking individual canisters instead of a whole batch.

But of course on du it can only be those evil corporations.

obamanut2012

(26,072 posts)
23. That's excactly what I wa sthinking
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 09:55 AM
Dec 2011

Just like every case of Halloween candy poisoning has been a parent.

Formula companies do NOT want a bunch of dead babies.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
17. My first thought when I heard about this
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 02:40 AM
Dec 2011

was to wonder exactly where the formula is manufactured.

But then, since no other babies seem to have gotten sick -- it's not clear at all if the second ill infant had the same infection -- that it's probably not the formula itself.

thoughtcrime1984

(2,996 posts)
18. I make infant formula, and know the entire process
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 03:44 AM
Dec 2011

There is no way a "disgruntled employee" can place this bacteria in specific containers- at least not where I work (Not a Mead-Johnson company). This bacteria is public enemy #1 on our list- we, as a company do everything we can to prevent the occurance of this bacteria, as it is for the largest part, preventable, and is a known deadly bacteria to our customer, infants. I absolutely believe that a suspected issue with this bacteria is dealt with swiftly BEFORE each batch is released for sale (my company tests every batch for this, and I am quite sure every company does as well). If one of "our" batches is found to contain this at all, it is immediately removed from the warehouse and destroyed. If there were to be a recall, voluntary or not, related to E-sakazakii, the FDA would certainly be heavily involved, and would NOT let this slide. Anywhere that moisture exists, this bacteria can thrive, which would include the home of the purchaser of said formula. I am not trying to be an apologist for the infant formula industry, but I figured an insider could at least vouch for the legitmacy of how such an incident would be handled. We must be informed before we assume anything. This may or may not be a facility-related issue, but at least wait for the facts.

newfie11

(8,159 posts)
21. The link below has more interesting info on this bacteria
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 08:42 AM
Dec 2011

It seems this can grow in reconstituted formula kept at room temperature (or warmer) for prolonged periods of time.
I wonder if the family had not properly stored the bottle.

www.babymilk.com/safety/esakazakii_background.htm

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
24. Given that Walmart is such a dominent retailer, the odds are that Walmart would have sold the
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 10:10 AM
Dec 2011

formula. I give Walmart credit for pulling the product so quickly.

Pachamama

(16,887 posts)
25. I dont want to know what the manufacturer says! I want to know what an independent lab or FDA has
Mon Dec 26, 2011, 12:03 PM
Dec 2011

To say after testing and investgating!!

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