Arabs endorse Palestinian U.N. draft urging end of Israel occupation.
Source: Reuters
(Reuters) - Arab U.N. delegations on Monday endorsed a Palestinian proposal to forge a peace deal with Israel within a year and end Israeli occupation of Palestinian territories by late 2017, despite fierce Israeli and U.S. opposition. The timing for a U.N. vote on a measure that faces almost certain defeat is unclear.
Several Western council diplomats told Reuters they had been surprised by the Palestinians' sudden push to submit a final draft resolution to the United Nations Security Council on Monday and put it to a vote on Tuesday or Wednesday.
Jordanian U.N. Ambassador Dina Kawar, the sole Arab representative on the council, told reporters all 22 Arab delegations endorsed the Palestinian proposal, and the Jordanians and Palestinians would consult immediately on "the best time to cast the vote in the Security Council." When asked if the vote could be delayed until next year, she said, "Everything is possible." Kawar previously said she would like a resolution that was backed by all 15 council members including the United States. A U.S. State Department spokesman said the Palestinian draft resolution was not constructive and failed to address Israel's security needs.
Nine Security Council votes are needed to adopt a resolution, which would then force the United States, Israel's closest ally, to decide whether to veto it. Washington would be expected to vote against it, diplomats say.
Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/29/us-mideast-israel-palestinians-idUSKBN0K70J020141229
Mention of a delay until early next year is of particular importance since five allies of the United States will end their two year terms on the Security Council then. They will be replaced by five nations who are far more likely to vote in favor of the Palestinian resolution. The United States would then be forced to use its veto, angering a number of Arab and Muslim countries who may respond by leaving our coalition fighting the Islamic State forces in Syria and Iraq.
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Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)we sure don't want to anger the arab and muslim countries.
gets so old.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)We just want to use them, like we use everyone else.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)
Report1212
(661 posts)The whole world including the US wants the occupation to end
7962
(11,841 posts)Seems fair enough; who would vote against THAT?
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)And acknowledge Palestine as a sovereign State, I can't see why a counter acknowledgement of Israeli sovereignty should be withheld by the Arab States?
7962
(11,841 posts)another_liberal
(8,821 posts)There would be some haggling, and then they would agree.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Hamas and many WB Palestinians live in their own world and will accept nothing short of destruction of Israel.
This conflict would have been long over if there were reasonable people on both sides. Now that religion is involved, any conciliation is seen as a defeat for that particular religion.
One particular religion would rather die than negotiate a compromise which would be seen as a defeat for that religion.
Just for Fun
(149 posts)There are none.
All of the "occupied territories" are sovereign Israeli land. British Palestine territory only existed from 1918 to 1948, and prior to that, a territory in the Ottoman Empire.
There is NO Palestine in state or country.
West Bank and Gaza are actually Israeli lands, but Gaza was given up by Israel to appease the Palestinians and UN - and what did they do with Gaza - it was turned over, and is now hostile to Israel - and many Gazans said they would have preferred to live under Israeli blanket instead of the bad boys of Hamas.
I, however, agree to a 2 state solution. We keep West Bank, they keep Gaza. That's fair.
Jerusalem will always remain an international city, under UN guidelines that's already put forth.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)There have been dozens of United Nation's resolutions passed which call for Israel to restore the territories seized from Jordan (and others) in 1967. Jordan has renounced its claims to those lands in favor of the indigenous Palestinian people and their future sovereign State. Rehashing century-old claims of dubious legality can have little bearing on the actual situation. Israel is in possession of stolen property, she must return to the rightful owners, the Palestinians, what she has taken by armed force.
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)What a flaming load of ********.
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Violet_Crumble
(35,961 posts)Israel and the US were opposed to the occupation then. Of course they're all pro-occupation now Israel's doing what Jordan did, just with far more violence and brutality.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Had been for twenty years, and was recognized as such by both Britain and the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordanian_occupation_of_the_West_Bank
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)When you start a war and you lose, badly, you take the consequences.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)The 1967, Six Day War was begun by Israel which employed a preemptive air, sea and ground attack against the armed forces of her Arab neighbors. Perhaps you are mistakenly thinking of the 1973, Yom Kippur War? That conflict was begun by Egypt and Syria as an attempt to retake the territory they had lost at the end of the fighting in 1967.
Report1212
(661 posts)Are you sick of talking points?
7962
(11,841 posts)So its reasonable to include the right of Israel to peacefully exist along with the recognition of Palestinian land.
Do you think they would accept that? If not, why not?
And if not, then no one should be surprised when the Palestinian resolution fails.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)The "peace process" is more of a cynical joke than ever under Netanyahu.
Just for Fun
(149 posts)They *GAVE UP* Gaza territory to make it Palestinian property. The blockade exists because Hamas is still the government and is still considered a terror threat.
So what did the Palestinians do with it? Turn into a terroristic property with intention to destroy Israel.
Gaza had been launching rockets (and they are still launching rockets - last launch 4 days ago) towards Israel, before Israel decided that it was enough of their idiocy and pummeled them down.
Terror tunnels still exist, and they were recently reinforced with the same construction material that was supposed to be for rebuilding Gaza.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)then by the Israelis allowing the Palestinians to exist you believe the Israelis are all so generous.
Rational people know that the Israelis have stolen so much from the native Palestinians and there is no justification for Israel's cruel behavior.
Just for Fun
(149 posts)When the land is historical and empirical evidence since the Founding Father, Abraham, delineated the area where Israel is.
If anything at all, it's the OPPOSITE, but we'll just agree to disagree.
Rational people understand that Israel has their land, and Palestine doesn't have any land because they aren't defined or even exists as a state or country in its entire history.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)Ancient mythology is not a good rationalization for human rights abuses in the modern world. I shouldn't have to explain that on a liberal site.
I don't think you belong here.
Just for Fun
(149 posts)Israel already gave up Gaza, and what did they do with it? Hamas took it, and made it to a terroristic piece of land, and what's more - not a lot of Palestinians support Hamas, but are afraid because they are TERRORISTS and would kill you for speaking out against them.
I'm no holy warrior. I'm just a Democrat supporting Israel and its right to defend itself, and you continue to demonize Israel without bothering to read history.
And no, Israel is not apartheid - never will be. Israeli Arabs enjoy full citizenship in Israel. Palestine screwed itself up. All I can say, "Too bad - you had an opportunity - and it's been blown - REPEATEDLY".
I can point to you the three Intifadas that were started by Palestine against Israel, and all Israel did was merely defend itself.
And continues to defend itself, today.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)and it's up to those in power in Israel to allow all citizens equal rights. The "two-state solution" is pushed by the segregationists.
Your history is all wrong, which is not surprising, since you regard ancient mythology as fact.
Israel has never given up anything. Israel never owned the Gaza Strip. It's Palestinian territory, along with the West Bank, which Israel is continuing to seize. The Israelis continue to steal from the native Palestinians, and you seem to think that is just fine, since you believe in ancient mythology.
cpwm17
(3,829 posts)It was well deserved:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=319597&sub=trans
Archae
(46,327 posts)"Arabs endorse Palestinian U.N. draft urging end of Israel"
Just look at Hamas.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)However, I am also fairly certain most of them would settle for much less. Maybe a little simple justice for the Palestinians would generate more good will in return than we imagine?
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)You have ANY proof of that ?
In fact, most proof speaks of wanting to wipe Israel off the map.
How do you know the things you say? I would love to see some hard proof.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)When I clearly state something is my opinion? That's a new one on me!
Some people. (sigh)
Rhinodawg
(2,219 posts)Thanks.
another_liberal
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jdenver_2624
(50 posts)Israel has shown time and time again that they could care less about the rights of the Palestinians. I predict the status quo will continue for years to come.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Not for very many at all.
Mosby
(16,306 posts)The Palestinians have been state less for almost 70 years. They and the Arab states have failed repeatedly to negotiate a settlement, preferring violence and propaganda. Their refugee population is growing exponentially and will continue to expect the west to subsidize this. Today it's 11 million, in a decade it will be 20-25 million "refugees" living on your taxes.
Meanwhile Israel will be able to maintain the status quo into the foreseeable future, with or without their US subsidy. Their economy is doing well but the biggest issue facing them in the future is climate change.
Climate change is only going to increase, unless you have some magical answer to the massive pollution coming from China, India and Russia. Rising sea levels is going to affect all the world's coastlines, including the EU and Israel, in the next couple decades the israelis will need to focus on raising the coastal areas to prevent flooding. Europe will also need to spend precious resources as well to raise coastlines. Where does that leave the Palestinians, shit out of luck is where. They need to get their stuff together pronto and negotiate or history is going to pass them by.
Brutal, but that's reality.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Palestinians should be treated as full, equal citizens of Israel since Israel is showing no intention of leaving.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)And what a beautiful World it could be.
