Florida funeral home shooting: 2 dead, at least 12 injured

[onehandle]

Source: MSNBC

MIAMI -- At least one gunman opened fire on a crowd or mourners gathered at a Miami-area funeral home, killing two people and injuring 12, authorities said.

The shooting happened Friday night at Funeraria Latina Emanuel in the North Miami area. More than 100 people were gathered outside the funeral home when a car drove by and at least one person inside the vehicle fired shots, reportedly with a high-powered weapon, the Miami Herald reported.

"Horror, it was horrible and it was sounds of horror," said pastor A.D. Lenoir of Westview Baptist Church, NBC 6 Miami reported.

Lenoir had just finished officiating the service for 21-year-old Marvin Andre, who was killed in a March 18 shooting, according to witnesses. He was buried at nearby Southern Memorial Park Saturday morning

Read more: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/31/10958231-florida-funeral-home-shooting-2-dead-at-least-12-injured

[CAPHAVOC]

1. Probably a drug or gang shooting.

[joe_sixpack]

3. More senseless violence

just the same.

[onehandle]

10. All guns start out legal. nt

[fightthegoodfightnow]

2. Florida ....again

.

[Loudly]

4. Here's the thing.

When you can't mourn and inter your own gunshot family victim, that will say everything which needs to be said about any rights of guns and ammo in the hands of the public.

I am not saying the beloved departed is a gunshot victim.

But that is how how close we are to the tipping point of pulling the plug on the whole 2A sham.

[joe_sixpack]

5. Isn't it quite possible

that the worthless slugs who did this, might have gone and gotten a baseball bat and done some damage with it?

[Laurian]

6. No

[Loudly]

7. I think the escape from damage a beating gets is pretty much settled.

A beating is bad but a shooting is decisive.

[joe_sixpack]

11. You don't think one can die from a beating?

For some reason, I tend to focus on what utter depravity would cause an individual to want to kill someone while they are attending a funeral for someone who themselves was murdered. I just can't wrap my head around that kind of evil. I know it may seem strange to you, but the weapon they used is kind of secondary at that moment.

[Loudly]

16. Joe, we are Americans. It is all about convenience.

Surely it must be easy to wrap your mind around the desirability of dispatching inconvenient people into oblivion by means of a simple gun trigger.

That is how the so-called "right" to keep and bear arms is being interpreted by the religion of guns and ammo.

[joe_sixpack]

20. I witnessed a lot of the gang culture firsthand

while growing up. I've seen much violence commited, even without the luxury of the convenience of an easy trigger pull. I don't harbor any love for that culture. I'll not easily swayed toward cutting them any kind of slack, regardless of my feeling toward the NRA.

[Honeycombe8]

32. There's a big uproar right now over gay guy beaten to death. Happens a lot.

It's easier to shoot, that's for sure.

But I do subscribe to the theory that it's people who kill, not the weapons. I, for one, am thankful for guns because as a woman, it is an equalizer. Men have naturally lethal weapons against women, so women need something for protection. Even if you both have guns, a woman has a better chance, as long as you take brute force and length of arms out of the equation.

[emilyg]

22. If caught - the punishment

needs to be decisive, too.

[Speck Tater]

9. Somehow I don't think a drive-by batting

would do quite the same damage that a drive-by shooting can do.

[IamK]

30. thats not what a mailbox would say.... n/t

[Incitatus]

14. No

They would have used a gun. We can't keep crack off the streets and gun prohibition sure as hell isn't going to be any more successful

[Loudly]

17. Amigo, crack is all about feeling good.

Empowering assholes to End You is a whole different game field.

[Incitatus]

23. That didn't address my point.

Supply and Demand doesn't give a damn about the law. If we got rid of the 2nd Amendment, gangs still have guns. It may also have the unintended consequence of making gangs even more powerful.

[PavePusher]

40. And no shootings are empowered by crack.

Riiiiiiiiight........

[saras]

34. It would have taken a hell of a lot more people with bats...

Are you going to go up against a whole gang funeral alone with a baseball bat? You go, guy.

No, what the gun means is that one or two idiots get to shoot a whole bunch of people from a moving vehicle and run away really fast. Only if the funeral were a gang funeral from a movie, with Thompson submachine guns under every jacket, could the funeral party have successfully defended itself against this car. And talk about a bloodbath, and collateral damage...

But with baseball bats, they would have had to bring an army. And trust that no one there could find anything to swing back.

There's just no comparison.

In a straight-up hit, it's different. If you're sending a crew of four to someone's house to finish them off, you can do it with guns, knives, bats, poisons, garrottes, all kinds of stuff. But you have to have an organized crew willing to get their bare hands all over everything, they can't just drive by from a distance.

OK. I admit it. If we ban guns, criminals COULD use miniature compound bows and poison dart guns. Or trebuchets throwing hives of killer bees.

[joe_sixpack]

36. That's very cute:

OK. I admit it. If we ban guns, criminals COULD use miniature compound bows and poison dart guns. Or trebuchets throwing hives of killer bees.

Despite the sarcasm though, no one is making the silly argument that other weapons are as efficient as a gun at wreaking havoc and causing bodily harm. That's probably why armies gave up swords, and carry guns into battle these days. But there's no doubt that thugs such as these are bent on violence and will still cause harm and injury with or without guns. So seeing that taking their guns away (if that were somehow possible) only solves some of the problem, I'd rather focus on what can be done to eradicate gangs, and maybe try to understand the route that leads to this kind of violent behavior. Not that I have any answers to those issues, they're obviously difficult social problems we face.

[hack89]

13. There is no tipping point

how can there be when gun violence is at a 50 year low? You have never been safer.


And most people in America understand this - why do you think gun control is a dead issue politically?

[Loudly]

18. It's not a dead issue with me Bucko.

We have had a lot of shootings here recently, and your so called right to own guns and ammo is perfectly in play.

[hack89]

19. But at the end of the day hard facts will rule the day

and the facts are not on your side. Just the emotion.

Pay attention to what is not being said by the President and Congressional leaders - hear the silence on gun control? Why is that?

[Loudly]

21. I am not silent on it.

Less accessibility to guns and ammo is an absolute good.

And anybody who says otherwise is a hack for a convenient kill society.

[AtheistCrusader]

27. One of my neighbors shot and killed some asshole with a knife that was breaking into his home today.

I'm thinking the 'so called right' isn't going anywhere any time soon.

I note that lawful use of a firearm in self defense didn't make national news today. Strange, innit?

[hack89]

28. So why is gun violence at a 50 year low? And still declining?

how is that possible when gun ownership is at record highs? Can you for once try to explain that to me?

[krispos42]

33. The difficulty:

Any laws you propose to move towards your absolute good will first and foremost affect the law-abiding.

Thus, an imbalance will occur, with the law abiding being disarmed first and the law-breaking disarmed last. And as long as this imbalance exists, the law-abiding will suffer more than the would otherwise.

[Doctor_J]

37. More politically dead issues - Medicare part D

Bush v. Gore. Citizens United. All sanctioned by the most partisan, corrupt, reactionary SCOTUS is US History (maybe world history). And all disastrous for America and Americans. We're a 3rd world joke among the civilized world, and your ridiculous gun culture is a major part of the problem.

[hack89]

41. So the lowest level of violent crime in 50 years is "disastrous"? Really? nt

[wordpix]

38. not a dead issue with me, either

Live in any city and you worry about guns. Take a hike in the country or wilderness area and you worry about guns. They are everywhere and not everyone with a gun is a responsible citizen using it in self-defense only. Yahoos, kids, gang members, drug addicts, insane people---many have guns who shouldn't.

[hack89]

39. Yet you have never been safer. And next year you will be safer yet.

gun violence is at a 50 year low - the fear is out of proportion to the actual threat. Drunk drivers, for example, are a much greater threat to you and your family - do you live in fear of them? Do you press your congressmen for stricter alcohol controls?

And yes, gun control is a dead issue. So much as changed in the past 10 years in every state in the union, blue as well as red. The silence from the president and democratic congressional leaders says it all.

[Incitatus]

24. 2/3 vote in the House, 2/3 vote in the Senate, 3/4 of the states

We are a LONG away from the tipping point.

[-..__...]

25. "When you can't mourn and inter your own gunshot family victim"...

Then it's time to pull the plug on "Thug Life", it's adherents, followers and worshipers.

Guns/firearms aren't to blame here... the wastes of skin that can't solve their piss-ant disputes without resorting to violence are.

[slackmaster]

35. It's unlikely that the shooter or shooters in this situation were in lawful possession of guns

[BOHICA12]

8. Broken people in a broken culture

When there is such a disparity between perceptions of right and wrong, what can be done?

[CAPHAVOC]

12. Send in Sharpton and Jackson maybe?

How about a protest or march down there. Oh. They might get shot. I only hope better leaders will emerge. I heard Angela Davis on CNN making a little sense of it all.

[joe_sixpack]

15. According to the cbs affiliate...

the altercation actually started inside the funeral home when one group of gang members objected to the way somebody touched Mr. Andre. That's when the suspect or suspects went outside to retrieve a weapon. And, in correction, they are reporting that Marvin Andre, was not a shooting victim, but may have committed suicide.

[99th_Monkey]

26. Hey this is Florida. I'm sure the shooter felt really "threatened" by the funeral.

[hack89]

29. No - just another gangbanger defending his "honor". nt

[IamK]

31. Local gang detectives said the shooting may have been in retaliation by the "One-Way Gang."

http://www.local10.com/news/12-injured-2-dead-in-funeral-home-shooting/-/1717324/9879226/-/fuir8l/-/index.html

Local gang detectives said the shooting may have been in retaliation by the "One-Way Gang."

The funeral was for a man who died after falling several stories from an Aventura Mall parking garage, not from a shooting, as was originally reported. The man's death was ruled a suicide by the medical examiner, however detectives said the victim was running from a mall security officer when he jumped in an attempt to escape. He hit his head on the concrete and was brain dead. Detectives linked the victim to gang-related identity thefts that were happening at the mall.

my comment
If you from Mall cops, your not much of a gansta.....