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Archae

(46,327 posts)
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:08 PM Jul 2014

Childhood Vaccines Deemed Safe, Again

Source: ABC News

The latest analysis of childhood vaccines confirms they're generally safe.

The report should be reassuring to parents, the researchers say. For example, there still is no evidence the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine causes autism. Nor is there any proof vaccines cause childhood leukemia.

The assessment mirrors and updates a 2011 report on vaccine safety by the U.S. Institute of Medicine. That report found vaccines can cause certain side effects but serious ones are very rare.

Experts say such risks need to be balanced against the benefits of vaccines — the prevention of millions of illnesses and thousands of deaths annually.

Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/childhood-vaccines-deemed-generally-safe-24374562



To the anti-Vaxxers (including "Natural News,&quot bite me.
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Childhood Vaccines Deemed Safe, Again (Original Post) Archae Jul 2014 OP
Childhood leukemia? KamaAina Jul 2014 #1
Yes, it falls under the same heading as the stuff you hear on orescriotion drug commercials Bickle Jul 2014 #2
Hepatitis vax for one day old newborns HockeyMom Jul 2014 #3
Yes. N/T Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #7
No Bickle Jul 2014 #9
My new Grandson was not vax in the hospital HockeyMom Jul 2014 #10
Hence "medically able" Bickle Jul 2014 #11
No I am not HockeyMom Jul 2014 #13
You're attempting to change the subject Bickle Jul 2014 #16
If a NEWBORN's medical issues are not life threatening, HockeyMom Jul 2014 #18
I applaud your attempts, but you are unlikely to change the fomite's mind. Thor_MN Jul 2014 #22
No one has the 'right' to be a medically- and scientifically-illiterate jackass! K&R. n/t ColesCountyDem Jul 2014 #4
We have to work around this fear; smallpox gone, polio almost gone, more to go ck4829 Jul 2014 #5
Same Committee, different topic. Subtle they were not. yellowcanine Jul 2014 #8
When weren't they considered safe? Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2014 #6
Chalk up another win for the LESS IGNORANCE IN THE WORLD, PLEASE crowd. AtheistCrusader Jul 2014 #12
Putting aside my Grandson, as an ADULT and a Senior HockeyMom Jul 2014 #14
Yeah, never mind all the families no longer having to bury their kids... Archae Jul 2014 #17
MY family HockeyMom Jul 2014 #19
Except your "natural immunity" is at best a crap shoot. Archae Jul 2014 #21
same thinking that compels someone to bury money in the back yard. roguevalley Jul 2014 #23
Your age HockeyMom Jul 2014 #31
whatever. lucky you. I remember polio among my friends. you can yuck it up but it doesn't roguevalley Jul 2014 #33
People your age with post-polio syndrome are still suffering and you're laughing about polio? LeftyMom Jul 2014 #34
Check your CDC what they say about Natural Immunity to Measles, Mumps, Rubella HockeyMom Jul 2014 #24
I haven't seen a word salad like that since the last time Sarah Palin spoke. Archae Jul 2014 #25
Force me as an adult HockeyMom Jul 2014 #29
So what the CDC says is a crap shoot? HockeyMom Jul 2014 #35
We've heard from all the scientists but I'm waiting for Jenny McCarthy's opinion... LynneSin Jul 2014 #15
I never read ANY of Celeb McCarthy's views HockeyMom Jul 2014 #20
If you want to see a bully look in the mirror. LynneSin Jul 2014 #30
So a "report" based on the many reports of truedelphi Jul 2014 #26
So the thousands of researchers in university labs who do vaccine research = Big Tobacco NickB79 Jul 2014 #32
I'm sure there will still be anti-vaccers sakabatou Jul 2014 #27
You're right, there's one right above your post. Archae Jul 2014 #28
Yeesh sakabatou Jul 2014 #36

Bickle

(109 posts)
2. Yes, it falls under the same heading as the stuff you hear on orescriotion drug commercials
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:21 PM
Jul 2014

Which should be re-banned, as they are in ep the rest of the world, but if it happens once during the study they have to list it, even if they're not sure it's a direct cause

And the anti vaxxers will latch on I'm sure.

It's really time to just make it mandatory for all medically able people. No exceptions. If you object, you're held down and forced to watch, and when your kid is fine, you are forced to admit on national television how crazy you are from your cell

Your right not be stupid ends at the other oerson's nose. Something the Suoreme court needs to be reminded od

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
3. Hepatitis vax for one day old newborns
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:32 PM
Jul 2014

before they leave the hospital? Hold the new Mom hostage unless that baby is vaccinated? Really?

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
10. My new Grandson was not vax in the hospital
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:47 PM
Jul 2014

My daughter and SIL refused it, and not on religious grounds either. Their baby was having medical problems and they did not want to add to that with a vax to his system. The hospital did not push it. Is Hepatitis also a community danger? His pediatrician just said to wait and not take him out around crowds for a few months. That sounds reasonable to me. The same as some parents wanting to spread out the vax schedule, and not give the kids too many at one time, and especially before they can even talk and say themselves what they are feeling.

Bickle

(109 posts)
11. Hence "medically able"
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 02:52 PM
Jul 2014

You're attempting to muddy the waters here.

This is not a case of some delusional moron being stupid. This is a case of a,licensed, educated professional making a decision base don science to so something. Not conspiracy nuts

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
13. No I am not
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 03:28 PM
Jul 2014

The hospital left it totally up to the parents. His medical issues were not serious enough but the hospital did not push it. Pediatrician? Again, not life threatening but with jaundice, weight loss, dehydration,but his doctor didn't push it, and still hasn't at 6 weeks old. "It is fine to wait". His pediatrician is a man in his 80s. I suppose he is also using his own practical practice experience and not just mouthing the CDC regulations.

Bickle

(109 posts)
16. You're attempting to change the subject
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 03:46 PM
Jul 2014

By introducing a personal anecdote whose premise I had already covered. You're muddying the waters in an attempt to derail from the actual point and issue/solution of my post.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
18. If a NEWBORN's medical issues are not life threatening,
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 04:59 PM
Jul 2014

they should be forced to be vax againist Hepatiitis, before leaving the hospital, against parents wishes? No, No, NO.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
22. I applaud your attempts, but you are unlikely to change the fomite's mind.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:58 PM
Jul 2014

Hopefully, they don't travel...

ck4829

(35,072 posts)
5. We have to work around this fear; smallpox gone, polio almost gone, more to go
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:35 PM
Jul 2014


Fear is the mind-killer, but with this anti-vaccine panic that a segment of our culture always has, it's just killer.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
8. Same Committee, different topic. Subtle they were not.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:58 PM
Jul 2014

The only thing worse than a Negro was a Jew, apparently.....

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
6. When weren't they considered safe?
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 01:42 PM
Jul 2014

Oh, that's right... When the asshole media gave equal time to the anti-vaxxer crowd.

Chalk this up as another win for science!

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
14. Putting aside my Grandson, as an ADULT and a Senior
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 03:37 PM
Jul 2014

the CDC can take their vax and boosters and put them where the sun does not shine as I am concerned for myself. Don't care if they are totally free with Medicare. My doctor cannot tell me anything, or drop me, because I haven't been to a doctor in years, and don't have "MY" personal doctor.

Sorry, you will never know how many adults are not in compliance with the CDC "recommendations" for adults. Tough. My kids can do whatever they want with their own child, but they certainly cannot force ME to comply with the CDC.

Archae

(46,327 posts)
17. Yeah, never mind all the families no longer having to bury their kids...
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 04:46 PM
Jul 2014

Go through an old cemetery, that still has tombstones from the 1800's and early 1900's.
Make sure you notice all the kids under 4 or 5 buried there.

I know a family, with 2 elderly adults, (well, the Father died of cancer 4 years ago,) 5 adults, 7 grandchildren and 7 great-grandchildren.

All of them had their shots.

My family.

Not *ONE* case of autism. None.

Quacks like Andrew Wakefield count on the suckers who believe their bilge.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
19. MY family
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:05 PM
Jul 2014

My Grandma was the ONLY child (born 1884) to survive out of 5, but she DID and went on to have 4 kids ALL of whom who suvived, minus all the vax given today, and that included THE Flu Pandemic of 1918. NONE of her kids, or her, or her husband, died during that without a vaccine. THINK about that one. Maybe Mother Nature (natural immunity) knows more than the CDC?

Archae

(46,327 posts)
21. Except your "natural immunity" is at best a crap shoot.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:31 PM
Jul 2014

What did your Grandma's siblings die of?

Most likely diseases we no longer see much of today, like typhoid, whooping cough, cholera, and so on.

Smallpox, a particularly vicious disease that wiped out entire tribes of Native Americans, in addition to millions in Africa, Europe and Asia hasn't been seen now in decades.
Thanks to vaccines.

Polio is nearly gone.

You want a return to the "Good Old Days?"

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
23. same thinking that compels someone to bury money in the back yard.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 06:51 PM
Jul 2014

i have gamma globulin shots when my mom got hepatitis from a doctor's needle for something when I was a kid. I was quarantined then and remember it forever. I don't drink out of the same glass to this day even if I am the only one in the house.

Fuck people who think they can avoid shots. Their kids are the ones who have brought back diseases we have finally managed to kill out. Measles and polio. I remember when polio was cured and I got the vaccine. I wish you could know how dreaded summer was ... polio season. Iron lungs. Look them up. Unvaccinated kids are a health hazard to everyone and why should a kid have to get polio because their know it all lendon larouche parents have their heads up their ass? Truly.

God bless Salk and all the others who save lives. I had measles and I had chicken pox so badly I had them under my eye lids and still have the scars on my head. Jenny McCarthy has helped kill kids. Fuck her.

There's a graphic out there that states nearly 25 million kids have suffered diseases we destroyed but were brought back by Jenny McCarthy and her know nothing brigade.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
31. Your age
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:50 PM
Jul 2014

I don't remember measles, mumps, rubella, or chicken pox because I got all before I was 2 years old. I should be DEAD from having ALL those diseases in such a short time as a baby according to what science says today.

Do you seriously think as a Senior I give a damn what a Celebrity younger than own my CHILDREN thinks??? You can say FU to Jenny McCarthy, but I will say FU to the CDC, and doctors.

I am CHARMED to have lived 65 years w/o Jenny McCarthy, countless vax, and the CDC. I was 6 years old before that polio vax came out. Thank my luck stars that didn't I catch that in all those years living in NYC with MILLIONS of unvaccinated people around a little child like me? Oh, what LUCK I had as a child!!!!!!

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
33. whatever. lucky you. I remember polio among my friends. you can yuck it up but it doesn't
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:07 PM
Jul 2014

make your opinion and experiences the final word. whatever, I say. Yuck that up.

LeftyMom

(49,212 posts)
34. People your age with post-polio syndrome are still suffering and you're laughing about polio?
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 10:26 PM
Jul 2014

What the heck is the matter with you?

65? You're my dad's age, and I know he had classmates who had polio, and post-polio syndrome, it's a safe bet you did too. I know people of his and your generation who still need a brace or a cane to this day. I don't think that's funny and I bet they don't either.

And then there was a vaccine, and my grandmother could send him swimming without fear.

Nobody my age got polio, except in poor countries where it was hard to get vaccinated. Many of those poor countries are polio free now. By the time I'm your age there probably won't be any polio except in a tightly controlled lab or too. Like smallpox.

You can laugh about polio all you want, but you discredit your argument (and your humanity) in doing so. When you were a child polio was a thing to fear. It killed children and maimed them. And then there was a vaccine, and now iron lungs and school age kids hobbling in leg braces are a thing of the past.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
24. Check your CDC what they say about Natural Immunity to Measles, Mumps, Rubella
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:01 PM
Jul 2014

for those of us born before 1957, had these diseases, and the CCD says are NOT recommended for vaccination. Do your really trust our natural immunity on this? PROVE it, or get vaccinated anyway? Blood tests? How can you really be SURE without vaccinations????? Vax are better??????

Maybe I am not really a Democrat then. I do not believe that a private employer's religious views should infringe on others choices of medical care. I see no difference in this with those than who say that GOVERNMENT can infringe on your personal medical choices, whether a parent of a child, or as an adult. TAX people to buy insurance, but does government (or anyone else) have the right to FORCE medical care, including Vax or so called "wellness programs", on anyone? Not to me.

As a Senior I am sick and tired of being used as a PAWN. You don't vax your children, you will kill the elderly. Spare me that one. They keep looking for "tools" that they can use in their agenda. The only difference is that they use "public good" instead of religious rights. I don't buy EITHER. My body, my choice. That doesn't just apply to reproduction of child bearing age women, but every single adult, AND parents of young children who determine that for Minors also.

I will leave you with my husband's (who complies with CDC "recommendations&quot dream last night. He has had the Shingles vax and still got Shingles. He thinks he might be getting it, again. He dreamed that I got both the Flu (3 out of 5 times he got that vax got the flu) AND Shingles. I have had NO vax and gotten neither. Got the flu about 15 years not only working with little kids with the flu, but taking care of my husband with it. I could not stop laughing when he told me his dream. I told him maybe your SUBCONSCIOUS is telling you something. Why doesn't SHE get these diseases not getting vax, and I DO getting vax. Oh, I am sure I WILL get sick with these diseases. After all it is 100% INEVITABLE that I will get the flu and shingles. lol

Archae

(46,327 posts)
25. I haven't seen a word salad like that since the last time Sarah Palin spoke.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:06 PM
Jul 2014

Say hello to Andrew Wakefield for me.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
35. So what the CDC says is a crap shoot?
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 07:54 AM
Jul 2014

The CDC says that having actually had measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, etc., gives natural immunity. Don't believe that from them? Can I PROVE that? No, my parents are dead. Even my pediatrician, who gave me a DPT vax, is also long dead. I supposed then all of us born before 1957 should run out and get ALL these vax anyway since natural immunity is just a crap shoot? ONLY vacinnations gives immunity?

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
15. We've heard from all the scientists but I'm waiting for Jenny McCarthy's opinion...
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 03:46 PM
Jul 2014

I mean why would we believe scientists when we have an ex-playboy bunny/MTV Host providing us medical advice.

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
20. I never read ANY of Celeb McCarthy's views
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 05:11 PM
Jul 2014

I go by my family history as a genealogist. PRACTICAL, and my personal distain for doctors, to guide myself as an Adult and a Senior. My children, their children, and other people's chidlren, can do what they want. ADULTS can form their own opnions, and as far as an adult myself when it comes to adult vax, take them and shove them, and all your other Wellness programs, and put them where the sun doesn't shine.

BULLY parents of poor little children, but you aren't going to bully adults into submission. As an adult, I REFUSE to comply with vax, or any other health care, I choose not to.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
30. If you want to see a bully look in the mirror.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:46 PM
Jul 2014

What did I say to you that makes you think I am bullying you. I did not even reply to any of your comments in the thread. You attacks to my post were unwarranted!

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
26. So a "report" based on the many reports of
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:19 PM
Jul 2014

Industry-based scientists finds vaccines safe.

The vaccine industry's tactics would make the executives at Big Tobacco who used similar tactics blush!

And our media, that is all too willing to keep those Big Pharma ads coming, will not dispute any of this, any more than the TV stations did with Big Tobacco ads, until Congress finally ended the legal ability to have such ads.

NickB79

(19,236 posts)
32. So the thousands of researchers in university labs who do vaccine research = Big Tobacco
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 08:18 PM
Jul 2014

And not only US researchers, but ones in all of Europe, Asia, South America, Australia, etc?

sakabatou

(42,152 posts)
27. I'm sure there will still be anti-vaccers
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:20 PM
Jul 2014

And they may claim the report is a conspiracy or some BS like it.

Archae

(46,327 posts)
28. You're right, there's one right above your post.
Tue Jul 1, 2014, 07:24 PM
Jul 2014

Using all the woo sellers' buzzwords.

"Big pharma," etc.

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