Student shot dead in Valencia, north Venezuela
Source: El Universal
Jesús Enrique Acosta, an engineering student at the University of Carabobo, was shot in the head and killed in La Isabelica, Valencia, the capital of Carabobo state, north Venezuela.
Jesús Enrique Acosta and his cousin, Luis Acosta, were warned that a group of armed motorcyclists were approaching the place where they were. When both started to run away, Jesús Enrique Acosta fell to the ground, after being shot in the head. He died while rushed to hospital, said Luis Acosta, as quoted by daily newspaper Notitarde.
Read more: http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/140312/student-shot-dead-in-valencia-north-venezuela
One more kill for Maduro's paramilitary groups.
ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)During the daily national mandatory broadcast:
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)Is he responsible for every street crime committed by an individual on a motorcycle?
joshcryer
(62,331 posts)He literally called the armed collectivos (paramilitary groups) to go out and inact street justice.
"Hago un llamado a las UBCH, a los consejos comunales, a las comunas, a los colectivos: candelita que se prenda, candelita que se apaga."
"Candelita que se apaga" means "to put out their games."
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)You consider a call to, ". . . put out their games," as an order to, ". . . inact street justice?"
I hope you are never a criminal prosecutor.
ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)Especially when those groups kill people in front of the security forces, who watch them passively.
joshcryer
(62,331 posts)You don't understand the diminutive tone he used when he said candelita, and "their games" is more of a western interpretation to facilitate the discussion, it's more like calling the protesters "hot headed whiny b***es."
"Put out" is unambiguous. "Snuff out" would be an adequate representation of the words used as well.
7962
(11,841 posts)Incitement can be prosecuted.
ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)And the criminals don't do anything more than shooting at protesters?
There was a big protest in Valencia and one of the "battle units" came to stop it. Two people are dead and 15 are wounded by bullet.
The student was killed by the "battle units" Maduro called to intervene.
joshcryer
(62,331 posts)At least they identify themselves.
ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)One National Guard who was also shot and died in Mañongo (same state, different town).
joshcryer
(62,331 posts)Probably responsible for the GNB death too.
These students don't have guns but I heard some prans and other armed block thugs were siding with them (rumor). Hopefully the protest side keeps the reactive self defense to a minimum. You don't win these types of protests by shooting back.
ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)Protesters are denouncing more and more the presence of "uncontrolable violent individuals" no one had seen before in the protests.
Vecinos denuncian infiltrados en destrozos de la Torre Británica
http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/protestas-en-venezuela/140312/vecinos-denuncian-infiltrados-en-destrozos-de-la-torre-britanica
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Ballsy.
joshcryer
(62,331 posts)It's hardly far fetched.
spanza
(507 posts)The GNB has a natural aversion for the colectivos and even more for the UBCH, who are violent gangs with war weapons. Everyone with common sense, chavista or not, agrees they should be disarmed. Don't you?
spanza
(507 posts)These are the guys they send to "control" some protests
You will also hear the chavista screaming against injustice when someone tries to "demonise" their boy scouts.
muriel_volestrangler
(102,141 posts)Maybe it's just a crappy newspaper, and you have a different source that says this was in a protest.
joshcryer
(62,331 posts)However, you're correct they weren't part of the protest.
Some reports were that he was asking about what was going on: http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/protestas-en-venezuela/140312/capriles-lamento-muerte-de-estudiante-jesus-enrique-acosta-en-valencia
Later reports suggest he was merely sitting inside his home when it happened: http://www.ultimasnoticias.com.ve/noticias/actualidad/sucesos/asesinado-un-universitario-durante-protesta-en-la-.aspx
Regardless he was killed by fire used at the protest.
bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)Oh, wait...never mind...
joshcryer
(62,331 posts)Just ROFL funny!
bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)The death of this young man is not funny. The death of this young man is tragic, made even more so by the right wingers salivating over the fact that they have yet another martyr to hold up on political forums.
joshcryer
(62,331 posts)bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)Right wing propagandists make me sick to my stomach.
joshcryer
(62,331 posts)bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)joshcryer
(62,331 posts)ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)...
ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)It's important you do this, so that people see what exactly is madurismo.
Keep on the demonstration.
bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)So grateful we have you for firsthand knowledge.
dotymed
(5,610 posts)and the entrenched elites don't have to put too much effort into getting their desired propaganda effects.
For some balance on the unrest in Venezuela, an open minded (maybe even a poster on a liberal/progressive site), might look at some reputable alternative News sites.
democracynow.org and therealnews.com have some interesting reports about who is behind the destruction of Venezuela's economy and resulting riots.
This has happened before in most South American countries, the elites usually get what they want.
The propaganda, riots, etc. usually end in in RW regime take-overs...wow what a coincidence.
Any death is too much.
At least read, CONFESSIONS OF AN ECONOMIC HIT MAN, by John Perkins. It is truly unbelievable the lengths that the "powered elite" will go to.
America (coincidentally) has a line item in "our" budget, just for Venezuela. No other country....
Hell, why bother?
bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)ChangoLoa KNOWS. He lives there! He's from there! He said so!!!!
ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)on ed.: why, brother? because I've seen with my own eyes how Maduro's paramilitaries come to a protest and shoot innocent people in front of the placid National Guard.
I'll give you a hint, you can oppose both imperialism and local systems of power, even when they claim to be anti-imperialist.
What would happen otherwise? When in power, it would be sufficient for a politician to declare himself an "anti-imperialist". Any opposition to him would represent the anti-national interests of the Empire and, therefore, opponents become traitors to the country.
The necessary and useful paranoia of the internal enemy.
EX500rider
(11,292 posts)I think you mean it's truly unbelievable what lengths some authors go to to sell a book.
"Columnist Sebastian Mallaby of The Washington Post reacted sharply to Perkins' book:"This man is a frothing conspiracy theorist, a vainglorious peddler of nonsense, and yet his book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man, is a runaway bestseller." Mallaby, who spent 13 years writing for the London Economist and wrote a critically well-received biography of World Bank chief James Wolfensohn, holds that Perkins' conception of international finance is "largely a dream" and that his "basic contentions are flat wrong".For instance he points out that Indonesia reduced its infant mortality and illiteracy rates by two-thirds after economists persuaded its leaders to borrow money in 1970. He also disputes Perkins' claim that 51 of the top 100 world economies belong to companies. A value-added comparison done by the UN, he says, shows the number to be 29. (The 51 of 100 data comes from an Institute for Policy Studies Dec 2000 Report on the Top 200 corporations; using 2010 data from the CIA's World Factbook and Fortune Global 500 the current ratio is 114 corporations in the top 200 global economies.)
Other sources, including articles in The New York Times and Boston Magazine as well as a press release issued by the United States Department of State, have referred to a lack of documentary or testimonial evidence to corroborate the claim that the NSA was involved in his hiring to Chas T. Main. In addition, the author of the State Department release states that the NSA "is a cryptological (codemaking and codebreaking) organization, not an economic organization" and that its missions do not involve "anything remotely resembling placing economists at private companies in order to increase the debt of foreign countries". Economic historian Niall Ferguson writes in his book The Ascent of Money that Perkins's contention that the leaders of Ecuador (President Jaime Roldós Aguilera) and Panama (General Omar Torrijos) were assassinated by US agents for opposing the interests of the owners of their countries' foreign debt "seems a little odd" in light of the fact that in the 1970s the amount of money that the US had lent to Ecuador and Panama accounted for less than 0.4% of the total US grants and loans, while in 1990 the exports from the US to those countries accounted for approximately 0.4% of the total US exports (approximately $8 billion). According to Ferguson, those "do not seem like figures worth killing for"
"Confessions of a imaginative author"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man
7962
(11,841 posts)Because the problems in VZ are all made up. False shortages and oppression. Anything thats wrong is just being used by the rich right wing. Move on, folks, nothing to see here. Just a strong leader of the people trying to stop outside interference and keep the wonderful revolution on track for the NEXT 15 years. They just need TIME to fix the capitalist problems. Come on, folks, just give them the time they need, its hard work!
Yes, I'm being sarcastic. Sad to think that its looking like DU may need an "We support Maduro" section.
COLGATE4
(14,791 posts)bitchkitty
(7,349 posts)the media NEVER EVER EVER lies about Venezuela.
ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)About Chavez's violent speech with a rose in his hand. It was on all national TV as a mandatory broadcast, everyone saw the rose.
Do you get the nuance?
You're not showing anything here.
7962
(11,841 posts)ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)earlier today.
Waiting for youtube...
7962
(11,841 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)that Maduro or one of the Bolivarian self-defense groups is involved.
That makes you a very cheap propagandist. It's possible that this student was murdered by supporters of the government, of course. But your rush to judgement signals merely that you are willing to exploit any death that happens in Venezuela you are willing to immediately exploit. Not a surprise, given the awesome lies already deployed by the pro-oligarchic movement in their shameless propaganda.
Examples of incredible lies by the minority Venezuelan right-wing opposition
http://imgur.com/a/RluPo/noscriptrt.com/on-air/ukraine-central-kiev-protest/
who seek to overthrow the democratically elected government so as to reestablish oligarchic government with real death squads killing thousands, as before Chavez.
(Click on that link, you've never seen such a bunch of lies!)
Most of the killings in the present upheaval have of course been by the right-wing pro-oligarchic protesters seeking to overthrow the democratically elected government.
ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)This is a total joke. Random twitter accounts and a provincial newspaper from Spain? Is that all you've got to demonstrate the "incredible lies" of the opposition???
How ridiculous!
Maduristas in DU hit a new low...
Do you understand that you're just showing how little material you have to accuse the actual opposition of anything? Quite counterproductive for the worshipers, I find.
Who the hell cares what silly falsehoods someone goes find in social networks? Twitter and fb are full of that BS, what you show has strictly zero value. The only FACT here is that you can't link any of those with the opposition, or can you?
Please share it with us if you actually have something worth considering. But my guess is that you're manipulating with useless material, which is quite transparent and foolish. People here are not 8 year old kids.
Do you want real propaganda on national TV, prime time?
Here you go:
Diodado Cabello's picture showing war weapons held by anti-chavista is a fake!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110826651
Venezuela govt lying and manipulating the information once again! New record
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1108&pid=26734
PS: I tend to believe what family members say about the killings, believe our Ministry of Information all you want. If you're on the "students shoot themselves" side of the argument, there's very little to discuss with you.
spanza
(507 posts)According to her, a group of around 50 men in motorcycle came shooting their guns in their neighborhood, her husband was in the street near a barricade, he tried to escape but they caught him, beat him and finally killed him. They thought he was a "guarimbero", he tried to convince them that he wasn't one but they didn't believe him, so they executed him.
Judi Lynn
(162,032 posts)to instantly become the focus and inspiration of loud howling, posturing for publicity purposes, a mawkish funeral procession, and all styles of theatrical chewings of the scenery by fellow anti-Chavez students in Zulia?
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Julio Soto
Julio Soto's vehicle[/center]
Venezuela detains 6 in anti-Chavez student's death
CARACAS, Venezuela Venezuela says six people, including three army intelligence officials and a police officer, have been detained in the killing of an opposition student leader.
Justice Minister Tarek Al Aissami says two civilians were detained along with the intelligence employees and officer, who had been suspended from Venezuela's scientific and investigative police for disciplinary reasons.
He said Thursday that the presumed murder weapon has been recovered, and that authorities are investigating two additional suspects.
University of Zulia student Julio Soto died Oct. 1 when his vehicle was sprayed with gunfire.
More:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3548419
The local university students surged into the streets, bellowing their rage against Hugo Chavez, holding him responsible for the murder of their student leader, a 32 year old law student, with over a million dollars in his bank account, sounding off to the media, using his murder as a real anti-Chavez festival of hatred, only to learn, as detectives pursued the phone numbers in Julio's phone, that he was completely involved with some local criminals, some dirty cops, and had been selling on the black market government-funded bus tickets, meant for allowing students to travel by bus at low rates, stolen cars, drugs, etc. He had bribed local dirty cops, even sent one on trips to Mexico, Panama, Barbados. His partners in crime did him in.
Was there any statement of apology by the local anti-Chavez protesters? Of course not.
ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)Resident worshipers more and more desperate, I see...
Judi Lynn
(162,032 posts)There actually aren't any examples of GOOD right-wing behavior, are there?
ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)ChangoLoa
(2,010 posts)The wife of G. Sanchez speaks: "MY HUSBAND WAS MURDERED BY THE COLECTIVOS (paramilitary)"
Luis Acosta speaks too, he says the colectivos killed his cousin, Jesús Acosta. He also describes: "they came to remove the barricades and to disperse the group of people who was protesting there. What they did is a massacre in Isabelica's sector 7"
http://www.ultimasnoticias.com.ve/noticias/actualidad/politica/a-mi-esposo-lo-mataron-los-colectivos-dijo-viuda-d.aspx
http://yoyopress.com/2014/03/12/la-esposa-de-guillermo-sanchez-hablo-a-cnn-no-fueron-francotiradores-fueron-colectivos-quienes-lo-asesinaron/
http://www.visionglobal.info/gina-rodriguez-a-mi-esposo-no-lo-mataron-los-francotiradores-fueron-los-colectivos/
http://www.el-nacional.com/sociedad/Gina-Rodriguez-marido-mataron-colectivos_0_371963021.html