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Eugene

(62,031 posts)
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 07:57 PM Nov 2013

Justice Dept to Notify Defendants on Surveillance

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON November 15, 2013 (AP)

The Justice Department said Friday it will notify criminal defendants when the government has used evidence against them that was gathered through warrantless surveillance programs.

The department is undertaking a comprehensive review to turn up all cases in which such notifications need to be made, said department spokesman Brian Fallon. Attorney General Eric Holder first disclosed the review in an interview with The Washington Post.

The notifications will set the stage for a likely Supreme Court test of the Obama administration's approach to national security, which uses the National Security Agency's technical capabilities to gather phone and Internet data.

The high court so far has turned aside challenges to the law on government surveillance on the grounds that people who bring such lawsuits have no evidence they are being targeted.

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Read more: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/justice-dept-notify-defendants-surveillance-20906017

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Justice Dept to Notify Defendants on Surveillance (Original Post) Eugene Nov 2013 OP
Nicely done. nt Xipe Totec Nov 2013 #1
Big fucking deal. OnyxCollie Nov 2013 #2
Not necessarily. The NSA's job is to monitor foreign communications. randome Nov 2013 #4
This ought to be interesting Demeter Nov 2013 #3
Yes, I think that must be the point. bemildred Nov 2013 #5
Who's overseeing THAT process? snot Nov 2013 #6
How would you EVER know? randome Nov 2013 #7
Ahem, all that's needed is that idea the Founding Fathers liked so much, snot Nov 2013 #8
 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
2. Big fucking deal.
Fri Nov 15, 2013, 09:40 PM
Nov 2013

If the evidence that was collected without warrant is still valid, it overrules the Fourth Amendment.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
4. Not necessarily. The NSA's job is to monitor foreign communications.
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 09:52 AM
Nov 2013

If, in the course of that monitoring, they turn up evidence of a crime, that is not a warrantless 'search' anymore than it is when a police officer steps into a crack den and discovers a murder.
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randome

(34,845 posts)
7. How would you EVER know?
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 10:34 AM
Nov 2013

I'm sure somebody, somewhere is violating a law or a regulation without our being aware of it right now.

You can have some other organization go into the DOJ and tear it apart to get all the paperwork it contains but how would you then know if THAT organization is to be trusted? Or that the DOJ kept paperwork on a subject in the first place?

There has to come a point when we stop worrying about what MIGHT be happening somewhere.
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snot

(10,549 posts)
8. Ahem, all that's needed is that idea the Founding Fathers liked so much,
Sat Nov 16, 2013, 07:35 PM
Nov 2013

called "checks and balances." I.e., you don't ask the foxes to police themselves; you give the chickens power over the foxes.

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