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IDemo

(16,926 posts)
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:04 PM Jul 2013

Obama: Trayvon Martin 'could have been me'

Source: NBC News

President Barack Obama emerged Friday to give voice to African Americans' reaction to last weekend's verdict in the George Zimmerman case, saying that Trayvon Martin "could have been me 35 years ago."

He also suggested that the outcome of the case could have been different if Martin were white.

"If a white male teen would have been involved in this scenario," he said, "both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different."

The nation's first black president, Obama said that it is impossible for the African-American community to not view the Martin case without filtering it through a long history of racial discrimination.



Read more: http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/19/19563211-obama-trayvon-martin-could-have-been-me?lite

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Obama: Trayvon Martin 'could have been me' (Original Post) IDemo Jul 2013 OP
Breaking news: RWers heads explode in outrage reflection Jul 2013 #1
The AM radio yakkers will be on this for weeks. Boomerproud Jul 2013 #6
Read the comments even at CNN.com skydive forever Jul 2013 #8
What they heard was Obama took to the mics and gave his negro army the 'go' order to kill whitey. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2013 #35
Sadly NewJeffCT Jul 2013 #65
"Obama rubs people's noses in his blackness" yurbud Jul 2013 #70
He's right. Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #2
Who really cares John2 Jul 2013 #50
Exactly, fuck the NRA, I'm so fed up with those assholes! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2013 #51
There goes the re-election! truthisfreedom Jul 2013 #3
The way he's treated BumRushDaShow Jul 2013 #4
That's the heart of the matter right there!! lastlib Jul 2013 #23
So true after all these years. Fringe Jul 2013 #33
+1 all american girl Jul 2013 #40
Thank You President Obama handmade34 Jul 2013 #5
+1 Nine Jul 2013 #14
Me too Rockyj Jul 2013 #28
It was historic. For all those who complained before today that, "If Bill Clinton had been in jenmito Jul 2013 #7
Thank you jenmito. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #17
Thanks for that, sheshe. n/t jenmito Jul 2013 #55
I didn't get to see the John2 Jul 2013 #49
Here it is: jenmito Jul 2013 #56
thanks for posting this. n/t orleans Jul 2013 #69
Thanks for the vid... n/t GreedIsGood Jul 2013 #73
He doesn't have John2 Jul 2013 #52
Yup. jenmito Jul 2013 #57
Thank you for saying this Empowerer Jul 2013 #58
Thanks, Empowerer. jenmito Jul 2013 #61
I made the mistake of looking at comments on an article on E!Online's site ... Myrina Jul 2013 #9
What "arrest photos" are there of Trayvon? It is mind boggling. uppityperson Jul 2013 #34
I've been upset and bewildered by some of his decisions I've often felt trublu992 Jul 2013 #10
That was an absolutely phenomenal speech MissDeeds Jul 2013 #11
And he was just speaking from experience, from his heart. There were no notes, no teleprompter, jenmito Jul 2013 #13
THANK YOU, MR. PRESIDENT. An incredible moment of COURAGE and truth. OneGrassRoot Jul 2013 #12
Missed it. Any call for a new Civil Rights Act, voting restoration, voter equality, voting rights Coyotl Jul 2013 #15
This was not the place for that Empowerer Jul 2013 #60
I'm a 34 yr old white woman in FL, and I can tell you it was racial profiling and if Trayvon had glowing Jul 2013 #16
Yes, burglaries are by white boys too. The only two burglaries in my neighborhood were. SunSeeker Jul 2013 #75
Trial defended "Stand Your Ground" Marthe48 Jul 2013 #77
Stand Yer Ground defense wasn't used Blandocyte Jul 2013 #78
What I'm saying is Marthe48 Jul 2013 #79
Actually, it was written in the jury instructions as part of self defense. glowing Jul 2013 #86
Thanks for posting that IDemo. sheshe2 Jul 2013 #18
Thank you Mr President azurnoir Jul 2013 #19
A gun nut's ultimate fantasy. Not just hunting a human, but a human named Obama. onehandle Jul 2013 #20
Moving and powerful... Spazito Jul 2013 #21
Exactly LiberalLovinLug Jul 2013 #27
Talking heads are exploding as we speak. mstinamotorcity2 Jul 2013 #22
He is you. DeSwiss Jul 2013 #24
Wow he can show some guts sometimes. /nt Ash_F Jul 2013 #25
I commend Obama for saying that Skittles Jul 2013 #26
Uniquely powerful BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #29
Is this from the same Obama that thinks Ray 'Stop and Frisk, Racial Profiling' Kelly would be Purveyor Jul 2013 #30
You busted him. He doesn't care about black people. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #39
Well if you don't see the 'disconnect', nothing I can do for you. eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #41
Did Obama appoint him or merely observe that he's 'qualified' after being geek tragedy Jul 2013 #42
“But if he’s not I’d want to know about it. ‘Cause, you know, obvioiusly he’d be very well qualified Purveyor Jul 2013 #43
Obama: Hillary would be on anyone's short list for VP geek tragedy Jul 2013 #44
Feds Oppose NYPD Over Stop and Frisk geek tragedy Jul 2013 #45
And there lies the 'disconnect' of even giving him consideration. eom Purveyor Jul 2013 #46
See the Hillary video. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #47
That's true, he was just being a politician. Beacool Jul 2013 #62
Her being VP was always a bad idea for everyone. geek tragedy Jul 2013 #63
I have never forgotten. Beacool Jul 2013 #64
Speech (17:34) ZombieHorde Jul 2013 #31
Thank you Obama!! Fringe Jul 2013 #32
Would that be before or after he got his law degree at Harvard. dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #36
yes nt geek tragedy Jul 2013 #38
One thing people cannot refute about Obama shockedcanadian Jul 2013 #37
Well, I got John2 Jul 2013 #48
He did a good job of tamping down the emotions and reminding us that we need to keep things calm. dkf Jul 2013 #53
haven't watched the speech, yet, but... admonish Jul 2013 #54
I like the way President Obama is keeping the focus on the murder of Treyvon PuffedMica Jul 2013 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Blandocyte Jul 2013 #66
Hawaii is horribly racist marshall Jul 2013 #67
Sorry. Don't think so. blkmusclmachine Jul 2013 #68
This is smart politics--it might drive blacks and others outraged by the trial to the polls in 2014 yurbud Jul 2013 #71
agreed admonish Jul 2013 #74
Actually, looking at his children, tavalon Jul 2013 #72
From the heart clangsnwhoops Jul 2013 #76
Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #80
It could have been any of us Blandocyte Jul 2013 #81
Obama. all those busted for pot, could have been me.. SammyWinstonJack Jul 2013 #82
President O will be on a Sunday am news show. same topic. be there! Sunlei Jul 2013 #83
How can anyone not see madmax Jul 2013 #84
damn!!!!!! heaven05 Jul 2013 #85

reflection

(6,286 posts)
1. Breaking news: RWers heads explode in outrage
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:05 PM
Jul 2013

Even though that is a perfectly reasonable statement from the President.

Boomerproud

(7,952 posts)
6. The AM radio yakkers will be on this for weeks.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:21 PM
Jul 2013

They can't hate him any more than they already do, so take the gloves off Mr. President.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
70. "Obama rubs people's noses in his blackness"
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 12:53 AM
Jul 2013

"Obama plays victim"

yada yada

The right wing talking points practically write themselves.

BumRushDaShow

(128,979 posts)
4. The way he's treated
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:11 PM
Jul 2013

there is no difference between he and Trayvon and every other black man in America. Whether barely hanging on in high school or head of the Harvard Law Review, America sees only the black face and all the stereotypes that have been assigned to it over the centuries.

Rockyj

(538 posts)
28. Me too
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:37 PM
Jul 2013

Totally unexpected! WOW this will be the next news cycle for weeks! But WE needed this conversation so much!

jenmito

(37,326 posts)
7. It was historic. For all those who complained before today that, "If Bill Clinton had been in
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:21 PM
Jul 2013

office, HE would've spoken out on the Zimmerman case, but our first Black president stays silent?" they don't realize that it's SO much harder for a BLACK POTUS to speak out on a racial issue than for a WHITE president to do so, since Obama has the burden of speaking on the issue while Black. HE will be criticized for "taking sides" or "sticking up for 'his own kind'" or something similar. Watch. K&R&T.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
49. I didn't get to see the
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 06:16 PM
Jul 2013

speech, but if what you people are saying is true, then it is about time President Obama addressed race. I dare the Supreme Court say we don't have issues. I don't know what President Carter was trying to say, but apparently President Obama didn't mince words. Let the right get angry all they want. What are they going to do about it, impeach him. He did nothing less than John F. Kennedy did. They reacted the same way.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
52. He doesn't have
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 06:27 PM
Jul 2013

run for re-election. He can set his legacy now by taking the gloves off. He doesn't have to answer to them. And this country's demographics is changing. He is the President of the United States now.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
9. I made the mistake of looking at comments on an article on E!Online's site ...
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:24 PM
Jul 2013

.... Overwhelmingly, ridiculously believe that Martin was a "dope smoking Gangsta with a criminal record" (imagine ODB or Lil Jon) and several accused the star in question (Kelly Ripa, who was speaking as a mother of how her heart is breaking for the Martin family) of being an 'extremist' and trying to 'rile up the public'.

One even posted insisted that E! take down the 'normal' picture of Trayvon and put up his 'arrest photos' instead.


I was so confused and disgusted, I just SMH and left the page.

trublu992

(489 posts)
10. I've been upset and bewildered by some of his decisions I've often felt
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:26 PM
Jul 2013

turned off by the whole political process. I've also forgotten how hard it is to be the first black anything

I do understand he has way more detractors than support within the internal political culture. Today he was really brave and only he

could of done it. No matter what he has or will do his presidency will always give credence to the humanity of people of African descent

and other "minority" people of color and those left out of the white male power (poor,middle class, women etc) structure and that is

huge. The fact he was twice elected in a still racist though decreasingly so country shows we are sooo much better than we used to be

and will be even better in the future, even though its hard as hell to create change.

 

MissDeeds

(7,499 posts)
11. That was an absolutely phenomenal speech
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:26 PM
Jul 2013

I have had some issues with Pres. Obama in the past, and probably will again, but his statements this afternoon were nothing short of amazing. He addressed the Trayvon Martin case head on and personalized the challenges young Black men deal with on a daily basis. It was one of his greatest moments as president and I am so glad I got to hear it as it happened. His statements are historic and will be remembered and discussed for years. Well done.

jenmito

(37,326 posts)
13. And he was just speaking from experience, from his heart. There were no notes, no teleprompter,
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:31 PM
Jul 2013

nothing, yet this IS historic and was a perfectly-stated commentary.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
16. I'm a 34 yr old white woman in FL, and I can tell you it was racial profiling and if Trayvon had
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:40 PM
Jul 2013

been a white teen wearing a sweatshirt and pants on the way home @ 7pm, the white kid would have been completely ignored. AND that is a fact.

AND I'm sorry, but white people burlarize too. That community has issues in general and its in one of those tea party pockets that promotes those stand your ground bs types of laws... Also, this is extremely political because of ALEC and the gun nutters (who I'm so much more afraid of than a black man walking down the st in pants and a sweatshirt).

SunSeeker

(51,557 posts)
75. Yes, burglaries are by white boys too. The only two burglaries in my neighborhood were.
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:40 PM
Jul 2013

Both of the only two burglaries I am aware of were acquaintances/friends of the other boys living there. They saw something they wanted when they visited and came back to get it when they knew the family was out.

Marthe48

(16,959 posts)
77. Trial defended "Stand Your Ground"
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 08:14 PM
Jul 2013

more than seeking justice for a murdered boy, determining the facts. It wasn't Zimmerman on the stand, it was that law, and by extension, gun ownership. We mustn't let the truth stand in the way of a popular, but insanely bad law! RIP Trayvon. I'm white and I hate it that you died so young and your killer wasn't punished.

Blandocyte

(1,231 posts)
78. Stand Yer Ground defense wasn't used
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 08:57 PM
Jul 2013

That was one of the first surprises of the trial. Please be aware of the facts.

Marthe48

(16,959 posts)
79. What I'm saying is
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:08 PM
Jul 2013

Metaphorically, this trial was more about Florida gun ownership rights and use than about the people involved in the crime, sad as that sounds. Stand your ground might not have been in the trial, but it was all over the rest of the place, like msm and social networks and no one could help thinking of that law and this trial. I have been agonizing all week how this trial could end this way. I had an insight today that the trial represented gun ownership and use vs. innocents.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
86. Actually, it was written in the jury instructions as part of self defense.
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 04:41 PM
Jul 2013

Self defense was used, but the jury had an instruction that if the defendant felt that he was in fear and had to stand his ground, then not guilt blah, blah, blah...

Also, the jury was pooled from that area (completely a huge surprise to me knowing that no one in the area couldn't have missed the many people who came into the community to protest and ask for investigation and charges).

Lastly, Angela Corey, brought up charges that would have been much harder to prove knowing that one person was dead and another was alive and there were no actual witnesses to the occurrence that evening. On the other hand, she charged the young lady who was trying to protect herself and also left no one dead with a charge that would be harder to ignore... and she has 20yrs.

Too many politics playing in this case - even a juror seemed to have a money angle.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
20. A gun nut's ultimate fantasy. Not just hunting a human, but a human named Obama.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:52 PM
Jul 2013

You scoff?

Sharpton And Guests Take On ‘Stunning, Offensive’ ‘Zombie’ Obama Target From NRA Convention

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sharpton-and-guests-take-on-stunning-offensive-zombie-obama-target-from-nra-convention

Spazito

(50,338 posts)
21. Moving and powerful...
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:54 PM
Jul 2013

"If a white male teen would have been involved in this scenario," he said, "both the outcome and the aftermath might have been different."

One has only to read the comments from readers on the various news sites to see the obscene racism proves the stark truth of what the President said in his historic comments.

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
30. Is this from the same Obama that thinks Ray 'Stop and Frisk, Racial Profiling' Kelly would be
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 03:57 PM
Jul 2013

'well qualified' as the new Department of Homeland Security.?

“Mr. Kelly might be very happy where he is,” said Obama. “But if he’s not I’d want to know about it. ‘Cause, you know, obvioiusly he’d be very well qualified for the job.”

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023295236

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
42. Did Obama appoint him or merely observe that he's 'qualified' after being
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:23 PM
Jul 2013

directly asked about Kelly by a reporter?

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
43. “But if he’s not I’d want to know about it. ‘Cause, you know, obvioiusly he’d be very well qualified
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:32 PM
Jul 2013

for the job.”

Not quite yet but the fact that he can even breathe these words gives this one pause...

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
62. That's true, he was just being a politician.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 08:44 PM
Jul 2013

Although, to be fair, it was more about Bill than Hillary. His advisers were worried about Bill "going off the reservation". Fears that were unfounded, as demonstrated by the four years that Hillary was SOS. A position that she didn't initially want, BTW.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
63. Her being VP was always a bad idea for everyone.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 09:04 PM
Jul 2013

It would have taken away all of her autonomy and it would have prevented him from establishing his own identity.

I think people sometimes forget that Obama is a politician.

Fringe

(175 posts)
32. Thank you Obama!!
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:10 PM
Jul 2013

I am glad he had the courage to say this. I know that it could have been my son.

My son is in college, but he use to go running in the rain all the time. He would always grab his blue hoody from old navy because it is light weight and has a hood.

My son is very friendly and i would always worry about creepy people following him who mean to do harm.

Now, I worry about someone murdering him just because he is black knowing they will get away with it.

 

shockedcanadian

(751 posts)
37. One thing people cannot refute about Obama
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:54 PM
Jul 2013

Is that he speaks many times without a teleprompter. He has a heartfelt way of expressing his opinions and normalizing the human experience. I give him credit even when I disagree with his opinions because at least he has conviction to say them without needing his advisers by his side and his heart is in the right place.

As someone who grew up in a tough part of the city, I can tell you that I could also have easily had gone down the wrong path, and I am sure people judged me without even speaking to me and knowing that I wasn't all that bad of a kid, I was fairly smart and respectful but withdrawn. Many years later I have my degree, was in my MBA program, I have done a tonne of volunteer work for numerous causes and contributed as best I can under my own trying circumstances (I have a very long post about this on this site).

Anyways, I cannot debate the law or if the court decision was correct or not, but I do know this much, George could have easily have avoided the confrontation. No unarmed 17 year old should be gunned down while not posing a threat to a well armed 29 year old...if the law needs to be more specific it might help, but allowing this death to go unpunished or affecting change I imagine is going to open up a Pandora's Box for future confrontations and different scenarios.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
48. Well, I got
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 06:04 PM
Jul 2013

news for the media. Trayvon Martin could have been me also. Racism needs to be address, whether the Supreme Court, Congress, State legislature or Media like it or not! The Racial Justice Act was repealed in North Carolina. Guess who repealed it!

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
53. He did a good job of tamping down the emotions and reminding us that we need to keep things calm.
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 06:28 PM
Jul 2013

He shows he emphasizes but can be thoughtful and measured in response.

Good for him and good for us.

admonish

(57 posts)
54. haven't watched the speech, yet, but...
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 06:41 PM
Jul 2013

frankly, those who hate Obama strictly for his blackness, i.e. the tea party, red state hillbillies, etc. will only use this speech against him and have dreams of taking Mr. Obama out with a bullet where they get off on standing their ground....Unfortunately, Mr. Obama is hated because he's black, and the fact he's an articulate, intelligent, classy gentleman means nuttin'!

PuffedMica

(1,061 posts)
59. I like the way President Obama is keeping the focus on the murder of Treyvon
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 07:53 PM
Jul 2013

Our President is doing an excellent job of keeping national attention on the events in Florida. The news media has been forced to report again and again on how Zimmerman is proceeding to get away with murder. All the while the networks and cable channels are trying their best to change the subject to the Royal baby or the financial situation in Detroit.

Good Job Mr. President.

Response to IDemo (Original post)

marshall

(6,665 posts)
67. Hawaii is horribly racist
Fri Jul 19, 2013, 10:38 PM
Jul 2013

I grew up in Georgia and I thought I had seen all that racism had to offer. Then as an adult I moved to Hawaii and I got a whole new education on racial animus.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
71. This is smart politics--it might drive blacks and others outraged by the trial to the polls in 2014
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 12:55 AM
Jul 2013

I wondered if the Democrats would have the guts to make this play, but it is the right thing to do as well as the strategic thing.

admonish

(57 posts)
74. agreed
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 12:29 PM
Jul 2013

he couldn't be "uppity" in the first term.. Luckily for all of us, they didn't "carter" him out of office.. they sho did try... I guess 2010 was a great move by the right and has crippled Obama, but it may be starting to backfire.. but just remember... get out and vote.. everytime!

I suppose between the brown votes & the educated.. as long as you show up everytime, those hillbilly Jesus freaks are out voted... But only when you all show up

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
72. Actually, looking at his children,
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 02:14 AM
Jul 2013

had one of them been male, he would likely have been a doppelganger of Trayvon. I can't listen to the speech tonight because my son and my dog are both snoring just behind me (we three are staying on the houseboat tonight) but I have little doubt it was a barn burner. I look forward to listening to it. And I continue to hope that it will be followed by a civil suit brought by the AG.

clangsnwhoops

(41 posts)
76. From the heart
Sat Jul 20, 2013, 03:38 PM
Jul 2013

The President spoke from the heart and as a human being,not just a President. It could happen to any African-American today. When will we stop the racism?

Response to IDemo (Original post)

madmax

(16,612 posts)
84. How can anyone not see
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 02:06 PM
Jul 2013

that if one reversed the color of the victim and the killer, Trayvon would be found guilty. I'm disgusted, disillusioned and angry that I was blind for so long. I thought we'd overcome racial discrimination to a certain degree. Especially, in the courts. What kind of fool am I. Lulled into thinking we'd made progress.

We're still fighting for Roe v. Wade, equal pay, and all the rest that we fought for in the 60's. Nothing has changed, in fact it's gotten worse. I'm ashamed that I didn't stay involved.

Thanks to the USSC decision in Bush v. Gore I woke up.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
85. damn!!!!!!
Sun Jul 21, 2013, 02:07 PM
Jul 2013

almost had a heart attack behind this one. I am truly surprised and bravo Mr. President on speaking the truth on this case.

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