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alp227

(32,020 posts)
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 03:04 PM Jul 2013

Trayvon Martin Family Attorney: ‘The Biggest Mistake Was To Ignore Race’

Source: Think Progress (exclusive)

In a press conference immediately after George Zimmerman was acquitted, State Attorney Angela Corey declared “this case has never been about race.”

The legal team for the Trayvon Martin family disagrees. In an interview with ThinkProgress, Natalie Jackson — one of three lawyers representing Trayvon Martin’s parents — said the prosecution’s “biggest mistake was to ignore race.”

Jackson emphasized that she thought Corey and her deputies were skilled, passionate about the case and pursued the strategy they thought would work best. But Jackson also believes that the state’s decision to ignore the role race played in the case was a major strategic error and may have allowed Zimmerman to escape a guilty verdict.

By deliberately avoiding any discussion of race, Jackson said, the state made “everyone feel comfortable and when everyone feels comfortable bad things happen.”

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/18/2319681/trayvon-martin-family-attorney-the-biggest-mistake-was-to-ignore-race/

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Trayvon Martin Family Attorney: ‘The Biggest Mistake Was To Ignore Race’ (Original Post) alp227 Jul 2013 OP
He's right. The prosecution should have hammered race from the opening sentence, making the jurors msanthrope Jul 2013 #1
Bizarre naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #5
Exactly. By making it 'not' about race, you allow their racial motivations a fig leaf--Juror B37, msanthrope Jul 2013 #7
I understand what you are saying now, naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #8
But how you saw those facts would be irrevocably changed. nt msanthrope Jul 2013 #9
Most people don't think they are racist, even if they are. Kablooie Jul 2013 #15
Yeah naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #16
Especially when the defense brought up the "creepy ass cracker" comment SirRevolutionary Jul 2013 #2
It was always about race. Baitball Blogger Jul 2013 #3
Allowing an all-white jury was the biggest mistake. Ash_F Jul 2013 #4
there was one who was Hispanic and she is the only one who hasn't released a statement JI7 Jul 2013 #12
Last month they were saying the opposite: naaman fletcher Jul 2013 #6
The whole town libodem Jul 2013 #10
Something smells here. Clyde Tenson Jul 2013 #11
Prosecution surely was a miserable failure. ReRe Jul 2013 #13
You made John2 Jul 2013 #14
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
1. He's right. The prosecution should have hammered race from the opening sentence, making the jurors
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 03:08 PM
Jul 2013

aware that a 'not-guilty' would be an unacceptable, racially-entitled vote.

The prosecution should have made the jury uncomfortable. By not bringing up race, they allowed the jury to tell themselves that this was just an ordinary, race-blind case. It wasn't.

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
5. Bizarre
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 04:01 PM
Jul 2013

Everyone is saying that the jurors are racist, and so therefore making it a black-white thing should have IMPROVED the chance of conviction? I don't get that logic.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
7. Exactly. By making it 'not' about race, you allow their racial motivations a fig leaf--Juror B37,
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 04:10 PM
Jul 2013

who is a racist, was able to feel 'free' enough to express her racism in her verdict--and in her subsequent book deal and behavior in the media, all the while telling herself that the case was not about race. After all, the prosecution said it wasn't.

Had Juror B37 been told by the prosecution from the outset that she would be perceived as a racist for a not-guilty verdict, she would have responded defensively and not felt 'comfortable' expressing her racist opinions.

The prosecution should have left the jury no reasonable choice but guilty.

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
8. I understand what you are saying now,
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 04:12 PM
Jul 2013

But I don't see how that would work.

If I was on the jury and was told "this is about race and if you don't convict you are a racist" I would respond with a mental "go fuck yourself asshole, I'll judge it on the facts".

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
15. Most people don't think they are racist, even if they are.
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 06:48 PM
Jul 2013

If the situation had been presented as being race motivated some jurors might have adjusted their opinion because this would have been an issue they would have to form an opinion on.

If it's not mentioned at all, their unconscious racist views can hold sway without them even thinking about it.


SirRevolutionary

(579 posts)
2. Especially when the defense brought up the "creepy ass cracker" comment
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 03:10 PM
Jul 2013

It's like the prosecution was just stepping on eggshells and they were too scared to bring up race. Clearly, Zimpig had a "thing" for calling 911 on young black guys, he had a long history of recorded calls. Makes one wonder.

JI7

(89,249 posts)
12. there was one who was Hispanic and she is the only one who hasn't released a statement
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 05:10 PM
Jul 2013

i have a feeling that she really wanted to convict but in the end may have been pressured to go along and acquit him.

but yeah, the all and in this case mostly white jury was an issue. listening to b37 she didn't look at the evidence and was wrong about a lot of things she said. but from what she said we know she saw a black kid and considered him guilty . look at her comments about Rachel Jeantel.

 

naaman fletcher

(7,362 posts)
6. Last month they were saying the opposite:
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 04:04 PM
Jul 2013

Thursday that the high-profile case was not about race.

“It’s not about racial profiling,” Daryl Parks told reporters. “He was profiled (criminally). George Zimmerman profiled him.”

....Asked why he changed his take on the matter, Parks replied: “We never claimed this was about race.”

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2013/6/28/154919/856/crimenews/Martin-Family-Attorneys-Now-Say-Case-Not-About-Race

libodem

(19,288 posts)
10. The whole town
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 04:35 PM
Jul 2013

Seems to be segregated. As if Apartheid is normal to them. We can see them through an outside lens of perception. They can't see themselves for what they are.

 

Clyde Tenson

(65 posts)
11. Something smells here.
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 05:07 PM
Jul 2013
Prosecuters did not demand change of venue. Note how many judges including the Seminole D.A. recused themselves from this case.
Really shitty jury selection. Prosecutors tried and failed to have two jurors removed from the case. Including juror B37. 5 white and one latina women, no blacks,,,say wha? Check this out: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/07/zimmerman_trial_juror_b37_why_did_prosecutors_let_her_on_the_trayvon_martin.html
No men on Jury This is prosecution 101 - In a fatal fight between men, you want men on the jury. Men are more likely to convict
]Rachel Jeantel was a dud Not her fault however. She could have killed if the prosecution attorneys prepared her, which, shockingly they didn't. Could have been Prosecution's star witness. She was hostile to questions and seemed disinterested. Zero prep, zero coaching - unforgivable!
Allowed Sanford Police Officer on the stand to state that he believed Zim's story WITHOUT OBJECTION!
For more go here:
http://www.nola.com/opinions/index.ssf/2013/07/did_george_zimmermans_prosecut.html

The "prosecution" team took a dive.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
13. Prosecution surely was a miserable failure.
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 05:48 PM
Jul 2013

Not to mention the Sanford cover-up Police Department. Prosecutors damn sure should have asked for a change of venue.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
14. You made
Thu Jul 18, 2013, 06:22 PM
Jul 2013

a lot of good points that I saw.
I don't know about the change of venue though.
The jury should have been more diverse, because the city of Sanford is 50 percent minorities. They represent half the population of the city, if you look at Wiki. Blacks represent over 30 percent of Sanford and Hispanics 20. The defense struck every Black off the jury and the judge allowed it.

I don't think a non bias men would have accepted Zimmerman's claims about Martin beating him to death or manhandling him. Especially with the age difference, pounds, and the fact had a loaded gun already to fire with the safety released. Most of those women claim they own guns. I wonder how many of them carry it around everywhere loaded with the safety off?
I would have let the defense call him and Good. The prosecution should have approached good the same way the defense attacked Jeantel because good was the only person claimed he heard Zimmerman screaming help, and plus he gave the description of ground and pound or MMA. Serino is the one that first questioned him. Serino is the one that made the conclusion Zimmerman didn't profile Martin because of race either. I would have really question him on why he made such a conclusion?

There is something in the media, that Zimmerman stayed with an ex seminole county police officer and gave him some statements about the murder. I would have called him instead if it was true, because it was reported those accounts was totally different from the one he did with Detective Serino. There was also a report about some 13 year old boy and his mother claiming the police tried to get her son say something favoring Zimmerman's account. Maybe the Justice Department can look into that and clear it up. It might go to a potential police coverup.

The prosecution also didn't present Trayvon Martin's rights to self defense. I think the theory, that a person with the most injuries would neccessarily be the person defending themselves is flawed. A person who is smaller, would be the person fighting off the bigger person the most, including a person screaming for their life. That person would be doing anything to escape the attacker including injuring him the best way they know how. In that case, Martin would have every right to use whatever neccessary force it took to fight off Zimmerman, including giving him those injuries.

They failed to point out that Zimmerman's lack of injuries on Martin, meant he only used a gun to fight Martin. which was already loaded and in position to fire. They failed to point out the only way Martin could have known Zimmerman's gun was loaded, is if he already had it pointed at Martin at some time. The only person could have known the gun was loaded was Zimmerman. Not only that, Zimmerman didn't think his life was in danger, until he thought Martin went for his gun after saying something.

So it wouldn't make any sense for him to think his life was in danger from his injuries, if he only had concerns, when he alledgely thought Martin grabbed for his gun. Zimmerman's whole story of self defense is farfetched and seems to be put together to shore up holes. It still doesn't fit though as Detective Serino claims. nevertheless, they told the jury what they wanted to hear, enough to give a not guilty verdict.


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