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Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 01:18 PM Jul 2013

Ireland High Court Refuses to Grant Arrest Warrant for Snowden

Source: Irish Times

High Court refuses to grant arrest warrant for Snowden

Judge ‘compelled’ to reject application as it does not state where alleged offences committed

Mon, Jul 8, 2013, 16:55
First published:
Mon, Jul 8, 2013, 16:55

The High Court has refused an application by the United States for an arrest warrant for the former intelligence contractor Edward Snowden.

In a judgment issued this afternoon, Judge Colm Mac Eochaidh said he was “compelled” to reject the application for a provisional arrest warrant, which was made by the US embassy to the Department of Foreign Affairs last Friday, because it did not state where the alleged offences were committed.

The application, under the Extradition Act 1965, was brought to the High Court by the attorney general last Saturday.

According to the judgment, the US authorities made contact with their Irish counterparts on an informal basis on July 4th. The following day, the US embassy made a formal request for a provisional arrest warrant to the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade.

Read more: http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/high-court-refuses-to-grant-arrest-warrant-for-snowden-1.1456798

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Ireland High Court Refuses to Grant Arrest Warrant for Snowden (Original Post) Hissyspit Jul 2013 OP
What? frontier00 Jul 2013 #1
So he could safely land in Shannon Airport now Sanity Claws Jul 2013 #2
Fly from Russia over the Artic Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean and Ireland... 1monster Jul 2013 #3
If Snowjob was smart he would have pre-arranged snooper2 Jul 2013 #7
Snowjob, cute. olddad56 Jul 2013 #28
At least mine rhymed snooper2 Jul 2013 #31
HAHA! Good one!! :) Amonester Jul 2013 #39
Via Africa would be the way to South America. another_liberal Jul 2013 #8
He can fly Aeroflot to Johannesburg and then cosmicone Jul 2013 #16
I've heard . . . another_liberal Jul 2013 #38
Aeroflot no longer flies to Johannesburg. Angola is their only African destination hack89 Jul 2013 #43
Thank you Hissyspit and Ireland's Judge Mac Eochaidh. Are we sure saidsimplesimon Jul 2013 #4
I am not sure Putin didn't know about the spying long before Snowden revealed anything. djean111 Jul 2013 #6
I am sure Putin knew about the spying before Snowden and probably already knew A Simple Game Jul 2013 #18
Yes. It just seems to me that Snowden is an inconvenience, not a danger or a revelation. djean111 Jul 2013 #21
By all currently held human rights standards..... DeSwiss Jul 2013 #5
Excellent comment! another_liberal Jul 2013 #9
look at all those dirty handprints on that door snooper2 Jul 2013 #10
OOOOOKaaaaaay? nt Romulus Quirinus Jul 2013 #13
Torturing is a dirty business. RC Jul 2013 #14
Only a conservative would find torture funny. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #23
Only a Pirate could love a face like that snooper2 Jul 2013 #24
It seems there are two camps regarding Mr. Snowden... olddad56 Jul 2013 #29
And then there is the camp like me snooper2 Jul 2013 #33
Here's what's scary... Psephos Jul 2013 #40
Agreed. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #11
Chances are this isn't a one off dipsydoodle Jul 2013 #12
I don't understand, what's Ireland got to do with ES or US? xtraxritical Jul 2013 #15
I think the US thinks it can't count on European countries denying airspace to planes muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #17
Ok, thanks. I guess it follows. xtraxritical Jul 2013 #20
... Judge Colm Mac Eochaidh said he was "compelled" to refuse the request because it did not specify struggle4progress Jul 2013 #19
The Hong Kong application was flawed also. former9thward Jul 2013 #22
Or perhaps it is because the Hong Kong people COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #27
Is that also the excuse for the Ireland application? former9thward Jul 2013 #34
Why does it strike you as so implausible COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #36
Perhaps they have faith that the Irish judiciary does its job, and is independent muriel_volestrangler Jul 2013 #37
I don't agree. It sounds to me like a totally COLGATE4 Jul 2013 #41
What happens if the location is secret? caseymoz Jul 2013 #25
And what happens if everybody just stops makin stuff up? struggle4progress Jul 2013 #26
then we would have no Faux News, or Republican Politicians, or anything to disagree about. olddad56 Jul 2013 #30
Ah ha.. details, struggle, details. :) Cha Jul 2013 #32
They always hated Obama anyhow, you know, because they're racists. reusrename Jul 2013 #35
thanks kpete Jul 2013 #42

Sanity Claws

(21,863 posts)
2. So he could safely land in Shannon Airport now
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 01:21 PM
Jul 2013

But how does he get there from Russia without crossing France, Spain?

1monster

(11,012 posts)
3. Fly from Russia over the Artic Ocean to the Atlantic Ocean and Ireland...
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 01:25 PM
Jul 2013

But does any commercial airliner take that route?

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
7. If Snowjob was smart he would have pre-arranged
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 01:41 PM
Jul 2013

For a Toyota Hilux and some 50 gallon barrels of fuel



&nofeather=True

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
31. At least mine rhymed
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 04:38 PM
Jul 2013

"snooper2 , blowjob"?

Try a LITTLE bit harder than that-

how about-
gooberdo, or snooperpooper, or loserlue?



Oh, I found a picture of our President checking your mail---




Now what's so funny?

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
16. He can fly Aeroflot to Johannesburg and then
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 02:43 PM
Jul 2013

South African Airways to Buenos Aires Argentina and from there Aerolineas Argentinas to Caracas.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
38. I've heard . . .
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 09:12 PM
Jul 2013

I've heard it said that, "Nothing is safe."

Mr. Snowden may make it to asylum by way of South Africa, but however he goes, I sincerely hope he gets there.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
4. Thank you Hissyspit and Ireland's Judge Mac Eochaidh. Are we sure
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 01:34 PM
Jul 2013

Tsar Putin is ready to part with such a prize?

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
18. I am sure Putin knew about the spying before Snowden and probably already knew
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 03:23 PM
Jul 2013

more than Snowden has revealed or even knows, and the same goes for China and most other countries, especially our partners in crime.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
21. Yes. It just seems to me that Snowden is an inconvenience, not a danger or a revelation.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 03:48 PM
Jul 2013

Partners in crime, methinks, is a damned big group these days.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
5. By all currently held human rights standards.....
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 01:37 PM
Jul 2013

...Guantanamo is a violation of international laws as stated under the Geneva Convention. I don't think any country owes us any respect with regard to the application and enforcement of international treaties and agreements, until we ourselves are prepared to comply with them. Fully.


- I guess it's good to be the 900 pound gorilla.....

K&R

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
10. look at all those dirty handprints on that door
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 01:47 PM
Jul 2013

smeared in dirt..


Don't we pay people to clean that?

olddad56

(5,732 posts)
29. It seems there are two camps regarding Mr. Snowden...
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 04:34 PM
Jul 2013

The nationalist camp that thinks Swowden is a traitor, and the patriotic camp that thinks Snowden is a hero.

I line up more closely to the patriotic view than the nationalistic view.

In the end, he is a dead man walking anyway you view him.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
33. And then there is the camp like me
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 04:46 PM
Jul 2013

Who have actually worked with LEA in the past on "wiretaps" and understand all the technology and laws involved.

I could care less about Metadata, but when Snowjob starts releasing details like we are spying on foreign embassies and what not, (no shit sherlock), he can be silenced

muriel_volestrangler

(101,407 posts)
17. I think the US thinks it can't count on European countries denying airspace to planes
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 03:21 PM
Jul 2013

just because Snowden is on board. So it wants to arrest him at a stop, if he tries to fly to one of the Latin American countries that have offered him asylum, or are thinking of doing so.

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
19. ... Judge Colm Mac Eochaidh said he was "compelled" to refuse the request because it did not specify
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 03:26 PM
Jul 2013

where the alleged offences were committed. However, he said this should not prevent the US authorities from making a fresh application ...
8 July 2013 Last updated at 15:04 ET
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-23234116

former9thward

(32,129 posts)
22. The Hong Kong application was flawed also.
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 03:52 PM
Jul 2013

Perhaps the State department should stop using interns to write high profile extradition applications.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
27. Or perhaps it is because the Hong Kong people
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 04:20 PM
Jul 2013

wanted to gain some time not to have to address the issue until it was moot?

former9thward

(32,129 posts)
34. Is that also the excuse for the Ireland application?
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 04:53 PM
Jul 2013

I think someone needs to think up a new one for them.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
36. Why does it strike you as so implausible
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 06:47 PM
Jul 2013

that a given country doesn't want to touch this with a ten-foot pole? 'Lacking some detail' is the oldest excuse in the world for not processing a request you really don't want to have to deal with.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,407 posts)
37. Perhaps they have faith that the Irish judiciary does its job, and is independent
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 07:29 PM
Jul 2013

Given the remarks by the judge - that he was 'compelled' to reject it, but that shouldn't stop the US from submitting a new one - it doesn't sound like a political decision to me.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
41. I don't agree. It sounds to me like a totally
Mon Jul 8, 2013, 11:35 PM
Jul 2013

political decision being justified by a pretextual explanation that fools nobody.

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