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Fedaykin

(118 posts)
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 05:59 AM Apr 2013

'Congress Repeals Financial Disclosure Requirements For Senior U.S. Officials'

Source: NPR News

"Joining the Senate, the House of Representatives approved a measure today that repeals a requirement that top government officials post financial disclosures on the Internet.

The House, like the Senate, acted quietly without a vote. Instead, they sent the measure to the president's desk by unanimous consent.

The provision was part of the Stop Trading on Congressional Knowledge Act (Stock), which became law in March of 2012. The act was intended to stop members of congress from profiting from nonpublic information..."
"...The Sunlight Foundation, which advocates for a more open government, called today's repeal an "epic failure..."




Read more: http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2013/04/12/177063450/congress-repeals-financial-disclosure-requirements-for-senior-u-s-officials?ft=1&f=1001



"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others."-George Orwell

Also check out this link for more:
http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2013/04/12/epic-failure-by-the-senate-on-transparency-provisions-in-stock-act/
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'Congress Repeals Financial Disclosure Requirements For Senior U.S. Officials' (Original Post) Fedaykin Apr 2013 OP
Indeed dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #1
Well, since their not hiding the fact the they have been payed off.... daleanime Apr 2013 #2
Crooks! Unknown Beatle Apr 2013 #3
That's disgusting. K&R myrna minx Apr 2013 #4
Must keep insider trading a secret.... midnight Apr 2013 #5
I am sure we can all count on the President to veto this legislation shivdansledos Apr 2013 #6
Right. djean111 Apr 2013 #8
Agree, have an open recorded vote let’s see who really is working for the people and who is not shivdansledos Apr 2013 #11
Agreed malthaussen Apr 2013 #38
This would be the most politcally astute move Kelvin Mace Apr 2013 #41
LOL NorthCarolina Apr 2013 #44
Welcome to DU shivdansledos! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #47
Happy to see they can all agree on something afterall corkhead Apr 2013 #7
"The House, like the Senate, acted quietly without a vote." KansDem Apr 2013 #9
I coin a new term: Bipartifucked. We've been bipartifucked by Dems and Repubs on this issue. Selatius Apr 2013 #10
Bipartifucked MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #29
Please make that an OP?!! elehhhhna Apr 2013 #31
+1 I like it. GiveMeFreedom Apr 2013 #45
Yes indeed. n/t JimDandy Apr 2013 #55
Now let's find out - this just (for now) covers the internet. djean111 Apr 2013 #12
I smell Newest Reality Apr 2013 #13
Will we be able to find out if Clarence Thomas is paying his taxes mpcamb Apr 2013 #14
That is indeed disgusting. Owl Apr 2013 #15
A step in the wrong direction AndyA Apr 2013 #16
You think 28,000 career government employees are all crooks? onenote Apr 2013 #18
Uh, no, I did not say that. AndyA Apr 2013 #37
I misunderstood: thought you were saying the government employees who were exempted onenote Apr 2013 #61
I suppose that its too much to ask that people criticizing this onenote Apr 2013 #17
Oh, I read it - it is the "not online" part I found interesting....and posted about. djean111 Apr 2013 #19
Reading the bill it doesn't seem like it's optional tammywammy Apr 2013 #51
You are correct onenote Apr 2013 #62
thanks for the insight on this. Bohunk68 Apr 2013 #22
As I read it and I quote... Fedaykin Apr 2013 #23
So it is just another attempt to gin up an outrage treestar Apr 2013 #63
And we can't do a GOD DAMNED FUCKIN THING sorefeet Apr 2013 #20
Pigs at the trough. nt valerief Apr 2013 #21
What did Obama do daybranch Apr 2013 #24
And the Treasury looting continues (NT) The Wizard Apr 2013 #25
How quaint! City Lights Apr 2013 #26
The Bill Number is S. 716 fredamae Apr 2013 #27
S. 716 was introduced fredamae Apr 2013 #33
When is the revolution sorefeet Apr 2013 #28
So what do WE get for that? Oh, yeah. More nothing. nt valerief Apr 2013 #30
The problem is 28,000 non-appointed Civil Servants had to post their financial info online. NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #32
Yes and as per the Sunlight Foundation... Fedaykin Apr 2013 #34
There was a lot of coverage on this in the Washington Post NutmegYankee Apr 2013 #36
Self-interest crooks. 840high Apr 2013 #35
New Requirement from We the People to Lawmakers: At the announcement of your candidacy and every DhhD Apr 2013 #39
I am for voting out lawmakers that voted verbally/orally to hide from the People. Is there a list? DhhD Apr 2013 #40
uH? GiveMeFreedom Apr 2013 #46
Drops Eljo_Don Apr 2013 #42
Campaign Finance Reform M Kitt Apr 2013 #43
Welcome to DU M Kitt hrmjustin Apr 2013 #48
DU Thanks, appreciate that. M Kitt Apr 2013 #58
I am the welcome wagon so I usually don't make responses on my welcomeposts. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #59
Coincidence? The FED just 'accidentally' sent them info with which they could insider trade DarkLink Apr 2013 #49
Welcome to DU Darklink! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #50
Thanks! DarkLink Apr 2013 #52
Your welcome! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #53
Stamp this on their foreheads jsr Apr 2013 #54
K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #56
Well, of course they did..... lib2DaBone Apr 2013 #57
LIES you can beLIEve in blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #60

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
2. Well, since their not hiding the fact the they have been payed off....
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:10 AM
Apr 2013

all that's left to hide is how much and who.

 

shivdansledos

(13 posts)
6. I am sure we can all count on the President to veto this legislation
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 06:44 AM
Apr 2013

seeing that he believes in transparency in Government right?

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
8. Right.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 07:17 AM
Apr 2013

Not.
He should veto it, and if Congress overrides it, then we know where everyone stands.
Interesting - unanimous. Every single person, therefore, must be considered (by me) to be a sneak and a paid lackey.
Wow. What a legacy for everyone.
Like to see how Grayson and others like him justify this.

malthaussen

(17,250 posts)
38. Agreed
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 10:38 AM
Apr 2013

I would like to see how a few of our congresscritters justify this vote, myself. Especially since they had to know it would pass without challenge, so they could have easily made a token protest of a "nay" vote.

-- Mal

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
41. This would be the most politcally astute move
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 10:49 AM
Apr 2013

It would draw a bright line around congressional corruption and put him squarely on the most popular side of the issue.

Which is why he won't do it.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
9. "The House, like the Senate, acted quietly without a vote."
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 07:18 AM
Apr 2013

I'll bet!

Has there ever been a US Congress more corrupt than this one?

Selatius

(20,441 posts)
10. I coin a new term: Bipartifucked. We've been bipartifucked by Dems and Repubs on this issue.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 07:25 AM
Apr 2013

The only thing they haven't done is move the nation's capital to Wall Street and just be done with the charade of having a republic and just admit it's a one-party dictatorship called the Corporatist Party or perhaps the Business Party.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
12. Now let's find out - this just (for now) covers the internet.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 07:47 AM
Apr 2013

Will someone be able to request the documents and then publish them on the internet?
Or will they get a visit from Homeland security or whatever.
Will publishing the information be considered whistle-blowing? because Obama hates whistle-blowers, it seems.

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
16. A step in the wrong direction
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 08:06 AM
Apr 2013

Is it any wonder Congress has such low approval ratings? We all know they're crooks, and they've just admitted it. Transparency indeed! What a load of bull pucky!!

onenote

(42,911 posts)
18. You think 28,000 career government employees are all crooks?
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 08:40 AM
Apr 2013

I thought it was the repubs that hated the "bureaucrats".

AndyA

(16,993 posts)
37. Uh, no, I did not say that.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 10:32 AM
Apr 2013

I responded to the original post regarding Congress repealing financial disclosure postings by top government officials on the internet.

Please do not accuse people of posting things they didn't post, it detracts from the OP and is disruptive to the thread.

onenote

(42,911 posts)
61. I misunderstood: thought you were saying the government employees who were exempted
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 07:12 AM
Apr 2013

from online disclosure by the legislation were all crooks. If I correctly understand what you're saying it is everyone in Congress is a crook, and has admitted it by passing legislation that maintains online financial disclosure requirements on themselves (and on executive branch political appointees) but exempts several thousand non-political appointee positions from that obligation (a group that, notwithstanding what the article says, are not what most people would consider "top government officials&quot . I'm not sure I follow your logic.

onenote

(42,911 posts)
17. I suppose that its too much to ask that people criticizing this
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 08:39 AM
Apr 2013

Last edited Sun Apr 14, 2013, 08:02 AM - Edit history (1)

actually read up on exactly what was repealed and why. Congress' action doesn't change the law as it relates to political appointees in the Executive branch, members of Congress, and candidates for office, whose financial disclosure info is and still will be available on line. But it rolls back an ill-advised provision that would have required 28,000 other career (non political appointee) government officials to have their info widely disseminated. Trying to figure out how to do that without creating a serious risk of identity theft has been a challenge. Which is why the roll back was recommended by the National Academy of Public Administration and endorsed by the Office of Government Ethics. And its why Congress, without objection (yes, including Alan Grayson) supported it.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
19. Oh, I read it - it is the "not online" part I found interesting....and posted about.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 08:45 AM
Apr 2013

"For instance, they note, the president, vice president, members of Congress, congressional candidates and individuals subject to Senate confirmation are still required to make their financial disclosures public. But the change in law now makes the posting of those disclosures on the Internet optional."

Let's see who still has their disclosure online, and let's see if that information can be obtained and put online with impunity.

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
51. Reading the bill it doesn't seem like it's optional
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 03:11 PM
Apr 2013
FOR MEMBERS OF CONGRESS AND CANDIDATES.—Section 8(b) of the STOCK Act (5 U.S.C. App. 105 note) is amended—
....
‘‘(iii) notices of extensions, amendments, and blind trusts, with respect to financial disclosure reports described in clauses (i) and (ii),
pursuant to title I of the Ethics in Government Act of 1978 (5 U.S.C. App. 101 et seq.), through databases that are maintained on the official websites of the House of Representatives and the Senate.’’;


(2) FOR EXECUTIVE BRANCH OFFICIALS.—Section 11(b) of the STOCK Act (5 U.S.C. App. 105 note) is amended—
....
‘‘(B) public access to— ‘‘(i) financial disclosure reports filed by the President, the Vice President, and any officer occupying a position listed in section 5312 or section 5313 of title 5, United States Code, having been nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate to that position, ‘‘(ii) reports filed by any individual described in clause (i) of a transaction disclosure required by section
103(l) of the Ethics in Government Act of 1978, and ‘‘(iii) notices of extensions, amendments, and blind trusts, with respect to financial disclosure reports described in clauses (i) and (ii), pursuant to title I of the Ethics in Government Act of 1978 (5 U.S.C. App. 101 et seq.), through databases that are maintained on the official website of the Office of Government Ethics.’’



http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-113s716enr/pdf/BILLS-113s716enr.pdf

onenote

(42,911 posts)
62. You are correct
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 07:20 AM
Apr 2013

The amendment doesn't make public disclosure and availability optional. It does change language relating to how those reports are filed. As originally passed, the law stated that filers "shall" submit their reports electronically once the mandated system for doing so is set up. As amended, it says that filers "shall be able to" submit their reports electronically once the mandated system for doing so is set up. But it doesn't change the requirement that reports, no matter how they are submitted, must be made publicly available on government websites.

 

Fedaykin

(118 posts)
23. As I read it and I quote...
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 08:52 AM
Apr 2013

"...As my colleague Tom Lee noted, “This approach is known as ‘security through obscurity.’ Essentially, the idea is that rather than fixing a system's flaws, you can just make the system opaque or unusable or unpopular enough that those flaws never surface.” It doesn’t make anyone any safer. If a criminal wants the public information badly enough, he will jump through whatever hurdles are created in order to get it. That’s why last October we advocated that Congress take the months remaining before the bill was to go into effect to carve out exceptions for individuals in sensitive jobs. That would actually make them safer than hoping that no one would bother to look for the information if it is on paper instead of online.

Security through obscurity as a justification to repeal the transparency provisions of the STOCK Act starts us down a slippery slope where any government action or information could be taken offline in the name of safety. Campaign contributions made public on the FEC’s website? Take them offline. Lobbyist disclosure reports made public on the sites of the Clerk of the House and the Secretary of the Senate? Put them in file cabinets. Congressional hearings webcast by Committees? Take the cameras out of the room..."

Pretty much speaks for itself. I also see it as a possible slippery slope that can obscure rather than keep reasonably transparent what government is up to while doing the 'people's business.' I tend to agree with the Sunlight Foundation's conclusion found in the last two paragraphs here: http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2013/04/12/epic-failure-by-the-senate-on-transparency-provisions-in-stock-act/

treestar

(82,383 posts)
63. So it is just another attempt to gin up an outrage
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 07:54 AM
Apr 2013

And your post won't do a thing to stop it, or, it will need to be posted over and over again, and will be ignored.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
27. The Bill Number is S. 716
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 09:27 AM
Apr 2013

Yes, it Weakens requirements set forth in the STOCK Act.

I called my Sen yesterday and it took a bit of time to find out about this--of course no answers to the most obvious question: Why weaken it Now if it was agreeable when the STOCK Act was orig passed? What do you feel the need to hide and why?

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
33. S. 716 was introduced
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 09:49 AM
Apr 2013

on 4-11. Passed with unanimous consent (no debate/no vote record)
Passed the Senate on the 11th went to the House and passed yesterday. Bing, Bang, Boom---it is Done--Bi-Partisan....Self interest and perhaps a conflict of interest?
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d113:SN00716:@@@R

sorefeet

(1,241 posts)
28. When is the revolution
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 09:30 AM
Apr 2013

How many generations of wasted lives. I have 60 years of waiting and voting and waiting and waiting for something to happen. Votes mean absolutely nothing, it's a ruse to make you think you have a democracy. I'm ready for something, what are they going to do kill me??? They did that a long time ago.

NutmegYankee

(16,210 posts)
32. The problem is 28,000 non-appointed Civil Servants had to post their financial info online.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 09:46 AM
Apr 2013

Like most regular people who don't have security details, they were concerned that the info could be used for criminal acts against them including Identity Theft. They still file disclosures, they just don't get put on the web.

 

Fedaykin

(118 posts)
34. Yes and as per the Sunlight Foundation...
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 09:50 AM
Apr 2013

"...That’s why last October we advocated that Congress take the months remaining before the bill was to go into effect to carve out exceptions for individuals in sensitive jobs. That would actually make them safer than hoping that no one would bother to look for the information if it is on paper instead of online..."
Congress had many months to make the exceptions advocated for, but did nothing.

NutmegYankee

(16,210 posts)
36. There was a lot of coverage on this in the Washington Post
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 10:09 AM
Apr 2013

Many CS folks were horrified that Congress (in a bill for them) had forced their financials to be posted online. As it works right now, the CS must files disclosures of any financial conflicts of interest. It was Congress that was previously exempt.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
39. New Requirement from We the People to Lawmakers: At the announcement of your candidacy and every
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 10:43 AM
Apr 2013

every vote on the floor, you will post and update your voting record as a public internet report which is also a link so your decisions can be known. In order to form a more perfect union, your (the lawmaker's) public office service voting, will be up for decision as to whether you voted in the best interest of your constituents or yourself/ your donor.

Has Barack Obama made his donor's list public? Even though the Supreme Court decided to protect donors, the People should demand, "The See". Mitt Romney refused (Tax returns to) We the People. Now Congress is following that lead. I am mad as HELL about this! After this SS blunder, We the People should demand that Barack Obama set a president and come before the American People and explain himself in regards to his broken Campaign Promises.

If lawmakers refuse We the People, We need to keep in mind the idea of Democracy-Representation for, by and of the People.

DhhD

(4,695 posts)
40. I am for voting out lawmakers that voted verbally/orally to hide from the People. Is there a list?
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 10:46 AM
Apr 2013

Edited to add verbally/orally

GiveMeFreedom

(976 posts)
46. uH?
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 02:13 PM
Apr 2013

Unanimous consent, means they all voted for it. At some point the congresscritter has to tell someone that he agrees to the bill. If all of them do by consent, no debate, then it's a done deal. So, did any of them utter the word "Yes", in effect, they all did at once. Peace.

edit: grammar

Eljo_Don

(100 posts)
42. Drops
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 11:19 AM
Apr 2013

Every day at least a drop of water like this one is dropped into the glass. Sooner or later the day will come when that drop will overfill the glass, and they will ask "Why do we have revolt? It was just a small thing we added." I just don't want to see "we the people" pissed off.

 

M Kitt

(208 posts)
43. Campaign Finance Reform
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 11:27 AM
Apr 2013

Last edited Sat Apr 13, 2013, 02:15 PM - Edit history (2)

http://nationbuilders.thenation.com/profiles/blogs/decline-of-the-lobbyists-revisited-rejecting-legitimate-money-by?xg_source=activity

Fedaykin, like the Orwell quote

On a related topic, Posted Previously:

Money Saturates this Political Landscape.

The perception that "buying" a political office today is completely acceptable, that poorly regulated campaign money has no corruptive influence once a candidate takes office is an absurd but broadly implied concept, sold to the public with a conspiratorial wink and a nod across the political spectrum by those who benefit.

End

Related to corruption in politics, disclosure (transparency) is NEARLY the best control against political corruption.

With Campaign Finance Reform being the most effective option.

Thanks for the accurate post!

 

M Kitt

(208 posts)
58. DU Thanks, appreciate that.
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 10:22 PM
Apr 2013

However, a reply to my post would have been more rewarding

More to come!

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
59. I am the welcome wagon so I usually don't make responses on my welcomeposts.
Sun Apr 14, 2013, 12:29 AM
Apr 2013

I am glad you came aboard.

 

lib2DaBone

(8,124 posts)
57. Well, of course they did.....
Sat Apr 13, 2013, 10:14 PM
Apr 2013

The Laws that they pass benefit the 1% who control everything.

If you thought that elected officials represent the people...you are in for a rude awakening.

Our form of goverment is corrupt from top to bottom.

As drones kill innocent women and children overseas, I see troops in the streets of America.

Our Tax Dollars are funding the most repressive, criminal , blood thirsty criminals we have ever seen.



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