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Exultant Democracy

(6,594 posts)
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:20 PM Feb 2013

IOC drops wrestling from 2020 Olympics

Source: SI.com

In a surprise recommendation, the IOC dropped wrestling from the Olympics beginning in 2020 on Tuesday. According to a Reuters report, the decision was just a recommendation and the sport will have a chance to make it back onto the program when the committee meets in Buenos Aires in September. However, it is unlikely wrestling will be voted back in; a total of seven sports are fighting for one spot....

Other sports considered in the Tuesday recommendation included taekwondo, modern pentathlon and field hockey. According to Olympic sports writer Philip Hersh, financial considerations may have been a more important factor than popularity:

So much for IOC's alleged standard of universality for sports: modern pentathlon had athletes from 26 countries in London; wrestling, 71—
Philip Hersh (@olyphil) February 12, 2013

Read more: http://tracking.si.com/2013/02/12/ioc-drops-wrestling-from-2020-olympics/



The decline of the Olympics continue. They replace wrestling a sport any kid can learn for practically free, with the modern pentathlon a sport with a $75k starting kit.
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IOC drops wrestling from 2020 Olympics (Original Post) Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 OP
Uh, I thought this was a joke until I checked..... Burma Jones Feb 2013 #1
I thought it was a joke too. Wrestling dropped in favor of modern pentathlon sounds like the Onion. Exultant Democracy Feb 2013 #7
yes, lets take out an original sport from the original olympics... actslikeacarrot Feb 2013 #2
Well, the sheep skull-toss was never instituted in the contemporary games, either. LanternWaste Feb 2013 #78
Wow. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #3
Because.... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #5
+1000 Rowdyboy Feb 2013 #8
Indeed! +1 eom Purveyor Feb 2013 #13
Don't forget Olympic Fucking Beach Volleyball KansDem Feb 2013 #14
I would agree except Beach Volleyball is one of their most popular events. Renew Deal Feb 2013 #42
Or the Standing Broad Jump or Standing High Jump... KansDem Feb 2013 #45
You take the T+A out of beach volleyball, and see what kind of ratings it pulls... Blue_Tires Feb 2013 #51
Yea, there's some odd ones. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #17
Sychronized Swimming Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #26
Olympic walking came from pedestrianism AngryAmish Feb 2013 #35
And Trampoline tridim Feb 2013 #52
The athletes aren't telegenic enough for the broadcast audience, pretty much. Posteritatis Feb 2013 #54
I can think of no more direct connection to the original first Olympic games NBachers Feb 2013 #4
Naked Wrestling (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #6
Naked boxing, too. kentauros Feb 2013 #10
Defintely popular in the ratings! (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #11
Well, if it was only naked men, Art_from_Ark Feb 2013 #69
What about dressage? I've heard that Rafalca is an ancient Greek term for aint_no_life_nowhere Feb 2013 #21
Mixed martial arts were from the first olympics AngryAmish Feb 2013 #36
Breaking: IOC announces it is dropping sports from the Olympics Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #9
LOL, just turn it into a reality TV show. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #18
The Real Housewives of Sparta (nt) Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #24
Did you write that yourself? Occulus Feb 2013 #41
*blush* Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #48
Every athlete profiled either had a dire disease or lost a loved one recently.... radhika Feb 2013 #65
I don't like wrestling but this does seem absurd. Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2013 #12
But I'm sure dressage will still be around for Ann to send her horse to. okwmember Feb 2013 #15
I don't really care for it, but Dressage is legit. HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #20
Television has ruined every sport it has touched. Ruined. Ikonoklast Feb 2013 #16
Wrestling is the original Olympic sport! Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2013 #19
But boxing remains? hedgehog Feb 2013 #22
Having been pressured into taking my son to a few WWE events, Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #23
WWE is not 'wrestling'... eom Purveyor Feb 2013 #27
Night and day difference HooptieWagon Feb 2013 #29
Not the same vdogg Feb 2013 #30
You should write for the Onion. nt NoGOPZone Feb 2013 #32
That isn't wrestling -- good grief obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #58
I guess that explains why The Undertaker has never won an Olympic Gold (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2013 #63
ohhhhhh yessssss d_b Feb 2013 #66
You are joking ...right? nt Drahthaardogs Feb 2013 #79
Stupid decision. SwissTony Feb 2013 #25
Agreed AngryAmish Feb 2013 #37
That's why I think golf and tennis should be dropped, too obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #59
Golf, tennis and basketball with millionaires competing UnrepentantLiberal Feb 2013 #75
im pissed at the cheating of the italians. cant believe their defenders get away with it. loli phabay Feb 2013 #74
Are you talking about Celtic v Juve? SwissTony Feb 2013 #76
lol the bully wee. im a Tim for my sins. still didnt expect to get this far loli phabay Feb 2013 #77
And somewhere Gilgamesh is weeping... FailureToCommunicate Feb 2013 #28
Taekwondo oberle Feb 2013 #31
The modern pentathlon isn't a 'replacement' NoGOPZone Feb 2013 #33
Golf and rugby are teh replacement sports obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #60
gtfo d_b Feb 2013 #34
Trampoline! Renew Deal Feb 2013 #43
Trampoline and rhythmic gymnastics need to go obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #61
Whew...i thought they might drop Golf Lochloosa Feb 2013 #38
I was worried too. timdog44 Feb 2013 #46
to be fair, modern pentathalon was one of the original olympic events.. frylock Feb 2013 #39
I would say that both the Greeks and the Roman are familiar with it. Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #49
badminton is the sport of GODS!!1 frylock Feb 2013 #50
Lesser gods, perhaps.... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2013 #53
Modern pentathalon first appeared in 1912 (Stockholm) Angleae Feb 2013 #67
At least we still have women's beach volleyball indie9197 Feb 2013 #40
They have to make room for sport climbing and wakeboarding. nt eppur_se_muova Feb 2013 #47
70+ countries field Olympic teams in wrestling obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #62
petition here d_b Feb 2013 #44
And yet beach volleyball, synchronized swimming, and equestrianism rachel1 Feb 2013 #55
IOC rhymes with NAZI... Octafish Feb 2013 #56
Golf in, wrestling out, secret votes and hidden bribes obamanut2012 Feb 2013 #57
The IOC no longer cares about amateur sports Blasphemer Feb 2013 #64
They've admitted this years ago when they justified dropping baseball. Angleae Feb 2013 #68
We will have soon Computer mouse control. MrYikes Feb 2013 #70
That was the only sport I was any good at. Ash_F Feb 2013 #71
"Modern Pentathlon" was intended for those people who would have done the Pentathlon in Ancient times happyslug Feb 2013 #73
Thanks. So I was somewhat right. Ash_F Feb 2013 #82
Me too. In 8th grade I was uncoordinated and could never catch or hit a ball. slackmaster Feb 2013 #81
To those clamoring for the removal of racewalking from the Olympics NoGOPZone Feb 2013 #72
Time to get rid of the Olympics LiberalFighter Feb 2013 #80

actslikeacarrot

(464 posts)
2. yes, lets take out an original sport from the original olympics...
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:26 PM
Feb 2013

...makes perfect sense. yet ANOTHER reason not to watch the olympics.

edited for clarity.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
78. Well, the sheep skull-toss was never instituted in the contemporary games, either.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 07:43 PM
Feb 2013

Well, the sheep skull-toss was never instituted in the contemporary games, either. I imagine that too gives many people a reason not to watch...

Makes perfect sense

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
5. Because....
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:29 PM
Feb 2013

we had to make sure there was room for Olympic Fucking Badminton.

And Olympic Fucking Table Tennis. And Olympic Walking.

Olympic Walking? Seriously? What the fuck is that?

Don't reply - I know what the fuck it is - but how does it constitute an Olympic Sport?

Renew Deal

(81,856 posts)
42. I would agree except Beach Volleyball is one of their most popular events.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 04:09 PM
Feb 2013

What about Handball? Biggest waste of time ever. They already got rid of Baseball, Softball, and Cricket.

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
45. Or the Standing Broad Jump or Standing High Jump...
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 05:10 PM
Feb 2013

1912 was the last Olympics for both...

Standing Broad Jump
Games Gold Silver Bronze
1900 Paris Ray Ewry (USA) Irving Baxter (USA) Émile Torcheboeuf (FRA)
1904 St. Louis Ray Ewry (USA) Charles King (USA) John Biller (USA)
1906 Athens Ray Ewry (USA) Martin Sheridan (USA) Lawson Robertson (USA)
1908 London Ray Ewry (USA) Konstantinos Tsiklitiras (GRE) Martin Sheridan (USA)
1912 Stockholm Konstantinos Tsiklitiras (GRE)



Standing High Jump
Games Gold Silver Bronze
1900 Paris Ray Ewry (USA) Irving Baxter (USA) Lewis Sheldon (USA)
1904 St. Louis Ray Ewry (USA) Joseph Stadler (USA) Lawson Robertson (USA)
1906 Athens, Intercalated Games Ray Ewry (USA) Léon Dupont (BEL)
Lawson Robertson (USA)
Martin Sheridan (USA)
1908 London Ray Ewry (USA) John Biller (USA)
Konstantinos Tsiklitiras (GRE)
1912 Stockholm Platt Adams (USA) Benjamin Adams (USA) Konstantinos Tsiklitiras (GRE)



Not glamorous enough, I guess...
 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
17. Yea, there's some odd ones.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:01 PM
Feb 2013

Cycling is so scandal-ridden I'm surprised they didn't drop it. Some of the obscure sports are kind of interesting...Curling in the Winter Games is kind of cool. But surely they could have dropped a sport other than one which dates back a few thousand years. Agree, Walking would have been a good one.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
35. Olympic walking came from pedestrianism
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:15 PM
Feb 2013

In the dawn of time (late 1800s) there really were not modern track and field. All of that came from the revival of the olympics where there were different length foot races. There was however, pedestrianism where there were contests on who could walk the fastest between towns or on a closed track.

The only sports were horse racing, boxing, cock fighting and things like that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedestrianism

So when olympics were started they put walking or pedestrianism in there.

now you know...the rest of the story


good day!

tridim

(45,358 posts)
52. And Trampoline
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 06:41 PM
Feb 2013

I used to be a gymnast and jumped tramp every day, even as a kid I knew it wasn't a sport. Gymnastics sure as hell is though. They'll never get rid of that.

Posteritatis

(18,807 posts)
54. The athletes aren't telegenic enough for the broadcast audience, pretty much.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 07:45 PM
Feb 2013

Not that they'll dare come out and say that, but there you go.

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
10. Naked boxing, too.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:40 PM
Feb 2013

Even though I hate boxing.

As I recall, all of the original Greek Olympics were performed naked. Of course, it was only for men. Might still be popular if someone started some interest in bringing that style back...

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
36. Mixed martial arts were from the first olympics
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:16 PM
Feb 2013

They called it pankrateon and they would not let the Spartans play since they ended up killing their opponents.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
9. Breaking: IOC announces it is dropping sports from the Olympics
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:40 PM
Feb 2013

New York - Citing its long-term television contract with NBC, the International Olympic Committee announced today that all athletic events are being dropped from the 2020 Olympics in favor of soft-focus, human-interest features about the adversities that might have been faced by the athletes had they actually been competing.

"NBC assures us that these features are quite popular with the American audience," said IOC Spokesman Nigel Sneed, "and we're dedicated to ensuring that the Americans have an enjoyable Olympic experience."

Air time between the features will be filled with segments from veteran NBC Sportscaster Bob Costas. In lieu of interviewing actual athletes, Costas will stare quietly at a CGI-generated fireplace in the studio or perhaps read silently to himself.

"We feel that this new approach will be both exciting and economical," Sneed added. "The IOC will no longer be required to transport and house athletes from around the world. In fact, we've already begun selling off our surplus equipment. This is quite a financial bonanza for the IOC."

Used equipment, and what's left of the IOC's integrity, will be auctioned off on E-Bay later this year.

radhika

(1,008 posts)
65. Every athlete profiled either had a dire disease or lost a loved one recently....
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:50 PM
Feb 2013

Sheesh...

I really would have liked to see more of the less well known, minor interest reports. Every 4 years isn't a lot to ask of sports TV.

okwmember

(345 posts)
15. But I'm sure dressage will still be around for Ann to send her horse to.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:51 PM
Feb 2013

My husband's theory is that the pony shows are the only way to get a royalty into the Olympics.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
20. I don't really care for it, but Dressage is legit.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:08 PM
Feb 2013

The Olympics are basically ancient war games. And Dressage is manuvers that mounted calvary or a knight would execute with his mount. So I give it its historical place.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
16. Television has ruined every sport it has touched. Ruined.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 01:59 PM
Feb 2013

Amateur, professional, doesn't matter.

Once TV gets their hooks into your sport, it is nothing but a way to sell beer to idiots, and your sport is destroyed as it becomes hooked on the ad money.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
23. Having been pressured into taking my son to a few WWE events,
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:26 PM
Feb 2013

I am not convinced that this "sport" is appropriate for the Olympics.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
30. Not the same
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:38 PM
Feb 2013

There is a big BIG difference between WWE, i.e. fake wrestling, and the sport of wrestling itself. As someone tha does submission wrestling/jiu jitsu I can guarantee you that this sport is appropriate for the Olympics. I would actually be ok with this decision so long as they substitute it for one of the other grappling arts. I would really like to see them add Brazillian Jiu Jitsu when the Olympics go to Rio.

SwissTony

(2,560 posts)
25. Stupid decision.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:27 PM
Feb 2013

And not even a fan of wrestling.

One sport I'd like to see dropped is football (soccer) - and I AM a fan of football!!! I'll be watching Celtic vs Juve in just over an hour. And i played for over 40 years. I just find the format so stupid - under 23s with 3 over 23s???? Give me a break.

Soccer has it's own major event - the World Cup. It doesn't need the Olympics.

Plus there is a problem with British participation as Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland have grave doubts about competing under the flag "Great Britain".

SwissTony

(2,560 posts)
76. Are you talking about Celtic v Juve?
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 04:07 PM
Feb 2013

I thought some of the refereeing was a joke. I thought Hooper could have sued for sexual harassment but the ref thought "both sides are guilty". And straight after the yellow cards, the Italian was again all over him.

I'm not even a Celtic fan (I support Clyde - how sad is that?)

oberle

(29 posts)
31. Taekwondo
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:38 PM
Feb 2013

The Olympics have done a lot to ruin taekwondo. Taekwondo was once a decent martial art. Now it is nothing more than a stylized way of fighting that looks positively silly to anyone who does martial arts. It is also a sport totally dominated by South Korea. And I say this as a 25 year practitioner of taekwondo.

NoGOPZone

(2,971 posts)
33. The modern pentathlon isn't a 'replacement'
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 02:44 PM
Feb 2013

it's been contested for a century now in the Olympics. It simply wasn't the one selected for elimination. The replacement will be whatever one of the seven sports competing for the final spot is.

obamanut2012

(26,071 posts)
60. Golf and rugby are teh replacement sports
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:27 PM
Feb 2013

I don't have a problem with rugby, but golf shouldn't be let in, and tennis should be dropped too imo.

timdog44

(1,388 posts)
46. I was worried too.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 05:15 PM
Feb 2013

Nice to know a bunch of tax dodging millionaires can compete for a gold medal. Actually, now that I think of it, maybe they should make tax dodging an olympic sport.

frylock

(34,825 posts)
39. to be fair, modern pentathalon was one of the original olympic events..
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:23 PM
Feb 2013

who ever heard of Greco-Roman wrestling anyway?

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
49. I would say that both the Greeks and the Roman are familiar with it.
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 06:18 PM
Feb 2013

Actually, it's quite well-known in wresting circles, which they may be small, they are friggin' mammouth compared to badminton circles.

Angleae

(4,482 posts)
67. Modern pentathalon first appeared in 1912 (Stockholm)
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:14 AM
Feb 2013

The ancient pentathalon was running/wrestling/long jump/javelin/discus

indie9197

(509 posts)
40. At least we still have women's beach volleyball
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 03:25 PM
Feb 2013

But seriously, wrestling is a major sport right? I know in the US it is. I can think of a lot of other sports that should go first-
golf
english horse events
tennis


obamanut2012

(26,071 posts)
62. 70+ countries field Olympic teams in wrestling
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 10:29 PM
Feb 2013

And, it is a big sport in MANY countries. Quit a few wrestlers have become big MMA fighters (male and female).

rachel1

(538 posts)
55. And yet beach volleyball, synchronized swimming, and equestrianism
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 09:40 PM
Feb 2013

will remain instead of a widely-practiced sport dating back centuries?

I thought it was a misprint when I first read the headline.

Blasphemer

(3,261 posts)
64. The IOC no longer cares about amateur sports
Tue Feb 12, 2013, 11:09 PM
Feb 2013

They want big names from popular professional sports so people will buy tickets and tune in to the games. I feel terribly for the young amateur wrestlers who won't have a shot at Olympic glory when rich pro athletes who care more about their other tournaments and trophies than they do about the Olympics will be able to take home Olympic medals.

Angleae

(4,482 posts)
68. They've admitted this years ago when they justified dropping baseball.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:19 AM
Feb 2013

Their big hangup was that the "best" baseball players weren't competeing in the olympics because it was during baseball season.

MrYikes

(720 posts)
70. We will have soon Computer mouse control.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 08:59 AM
Feb 2013

You have to hit 20 icons in 5 seconds. Beer bottle, shoes, bag of chips, etc. Yep it's coming.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
71. That was the only sport I was any good at.
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 11:37 AM
Feb 2013

Mainly because it didn't involve a ball.

What the heck is modern pentathlon? It looks like how rich people get in shape, or train to hunt the deadliest game of all(man).

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
73. "Modern Pentathlon" was intended for those people who would have done the Pentathlon in Ancient times
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:20 PM
Feb 2013
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Olympic_pentathlon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_pentathlon

The difference reflects the change between the Infantry heavy armies of Ancient Greece, and the more horse based armies of pre-WWII Europe (Ancient Greece did not even have the Saddle, which did not appear in Europe till at the earliest 200 AD, through the Chinese had a tree based Saddle as early as 200 BC and treeless saddle are known from what is now Siberia from 500 BC. There is picture of Alexander the Great with a "Saddle Blanket", but that could be just a Horse blanket. We have reports from Sparta advocating bare back riding of horses, which would NOT be the case if any form of effective saddles were known to them).

More on Saddles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saddle#History_and_development
http://www.eastwestcenter.org/fileadmin/resources/education/asdp_pdfs/Saddles_Silkroads_Hawaii.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stirrup

Notice the modern Saddle, while invented and used during the Classic Age of Greece, was NOT used by the Greeks or anyone in their area till we enter the Roman Imperial period, long after the Ancient Olympic games were already set up.

Modern Pentathlon consist of pistol shooting, fencing, 200 m freestyle swimming, show jumping (with a horse picked at random), and a 3 km cross-country run.

Ancient Pentathlon consist of long jump, javelin throw, and discus throw, followed by the stadion (a short foot race) and wrestling.

Basically, the Ancient Long Jump was replaced by swimming, the Discuss Throw replaced by Pistol Shooting, Javelin throw replaced by Fencing, Wresting replaced by Horse riding and the short foot race replaced by a 3 km Cross country run.

The purpose of the change was to reflect the changes in HOW soldiers operate between the days of ancient Greece and pre-WWII Europe (including the adoption of the Modern Tree based and Stirrup equipped horse and gun powder). A secondary reason was there were NO swimming events in the Ancient Olympics, more do to the lack of any place to swim where the Olympics where held then any other reason.

One last comment, the Modern Pentathlon like the other multiple events have an inherent "honesty" value. The Drugs that enhances someone's ability to run and swim, hurt one's ability to shoot, fence and stay on a horse. The drugs that help someone shoot (and to a lesser extent fence), hurts your ability to swim, run (or even wrestle). Thus it is hard for an athlete to "Cheat" with drugs when it comes to any of the multiple activities events, be it the Pentathlon, the Decathlon or the biathlon.

Thus the main reason the Pentathlon was kept may be do to fact it is one less event the Olympic committee has to worry about cheating with drugs, in addition to its support from Eastern Europe.


The Biathlon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biathlon

The Decathlon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decathlon
 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
81. Me too. In 8th grade I was uncoordinated and could never catch or hit a ball.
Thu Feb 14, 2013, 02:05 PM
Feb 2013

The only things I was good at were Greco-Roman wrestling and for some odd reason the standing broad jump.

NoGOPZone

(2,971 posts)
72. To those clamoring for the removal of racewalking from the Olympics
Wed Feb 13, 2013, 01:08 PM
Feb 2013

Even ignoring that a 50K race is longer than a marathon and covered at a pace your average jogger couldn't run, walking is not a seperate sport but part of Athletics or Track and Field, so even getting rid of the walking events wouldn't make room for Wrestling.

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