Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:44 PM
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 Vegetarian Diet Cuts Heart Risk by 32%, Study Says (Original post) |
Redfairen | Jan 2013 | OP |
| onehandle | Jan 2013 | #1 | |
| TheDebbieDee | Jan 2013 | #51 | |
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| WestCoastLib | Jan 2013 | #19 | |
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| Scout | Feb 2013 | #68 | |
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| Scout | Jan 2013 | #54 | |
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Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:46 PM
1. Not the first study to confirm this.
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:50 PM
3. I will mark my one year anniversary as a Vegan at
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 01:59 PM
5. So if your blood pressure and cholesterol are normal
Response to pscot (Reply #5)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 05:53 PM
20. I am a vegetarian, but my blood pressure and cholesterol are high.
Response to RebelOne (Reply #20)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:35 PM
Doremus (5,731 posts)
25. Dairy has lots of fat.
Response to FunkyLeprechaun (Reply #6)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:19 PM
pangaia (18,519 posts)
16. Don't EVER listen to doctors when it comes to diet.
Response to pangaia (Reply #16)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:59 PM
19. Don't EVER listen to people telling you not to listen to doctors
Response to WestCoastLib (Reply #19)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:40 PM
Doremus (5,731 posts)
26. Most MDs have zero nutrition instruction.
Response to WestCoastLib (Reply #19)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:28 PM
32. MDs and vets have almost zero nutrition education
Response to WestCoastLib (Reply #19)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:44 PM
pangaia (18,519 posts)
33. I must disagree with your last two sentences.
Response to WestCoastLib (Reply #19)
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 12:20 PM
61. My doctor is not better informed than me
Response to bitchkitty (Reply #61)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 12:29 PM
79. then it is your fault for sticking with said useless doctor
Response to Babel_17 (Reply #24)
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 03:55 PM
65. I am a vegetarian and take B-12 every day
Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #31)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:56 PM
pangaia (18,519 posts)
34. Good point.
Response to pangaia (Reply #34)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:00 AM
44. Just like with meat eaters, it's the "easy" way to eat
Response to kwassa (Reply #40)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 01:47 PM
Doremus (5,731 posts)
53. Nope. Far more complicated than that.
Response to Doremus (Reply #53)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 04:58 PM
55. Where is your proof that oil is inflammatory?
Response to Doremus (Reply #27)
Mon Feb 4, 2013, 01:45 AM
76. Sorry, the "fats cause heart disease" theory is wrong.
Response to srican69 (Reply #7)
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:08 PM
68. "Bottom line - your genes matter much more than your diet."
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:02 PM
8. Makes sense... cholesterol is found in animal products
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:06 PM
10. Yes, but no difference in mortality rates for other diseases (NIH)
Response to frazzled (Reply #10)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:26 PM
18. Ah - real numbers at last. The most absurd thing about medical reporting is the asinine relative
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:10 PM
11. Been a Vegetarian about 5 years.
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:24 PM
14. There are other risks to remember
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 02:39 PM
15. Some DUers go all freeper hippy puncher on vegetarians and vegans
Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #30)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:59 PM
37. Yet the "meat eaters" are much more prone
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 03:23 PM
pangaia (18,519 posts)
17. Nothing especially new here.
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:11 PM
22. Statistics can be misleading
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These people who made the rather serious commitment to become vegetarians are a special case.
And let's be clear here, vegetarianism was not imposed on them as part of the study, it was a choice. I see no mention in the article of the points I'll raise so let's consider this a thought experiment. Can we assume that meditation and other forms of biofeedback are potentially good for ones health? If so, is it reasonable to assume that vegetarians, on average, practice that more? You see where I'm going with this? Arguably the vegetarians will, on average, be more fastidious about many aspects of day to day living that relate to health and well being. And imo there's an intangible that I very much doubt was accounted for. Imo many of the vegetarians see it as a matter of responsibility and pride to do well in this study. That will affect everything. It becomes not just a study, it also becomes a competition. 
P.S. I've been doing some reading over the last year and it seems for non-vegetarians eating eggs and dairy from animals that are fed well and treated well can make a positive difference in their health as compared to those who eat lots of dairy and eggs from mistreated animals raised factory style. Omega 3 levels is just part of the story. http://www.omega-3.se/en/food.html Here's a good link. http://www.cornucopia.org/ Look at the "Scorecards" tab and its pop-up menu. |
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 07:54 PM
28. Heart disease is one thing, overall morbidity and mortality another.
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 08:08 PM
29. I manage to make up the difference
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Wed Jan 30, 2013, 10:45 PM
41. Veganism is much healthier than vegetarianism.
Response to nobodyspecial (Reply #72)
Sun Feb 3, 2013, 10:27 PM
75. most cholesterol is manufactured in our body ...
Response to Scout (Reply #54)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:44 PM
58. You just showed you have no idea what a vegetarian diet is
Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #58)
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 11:21 AM
59. and i was agreeing with said poster, that a vegetarian diet
Response to Scout (Reply #59)
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:37 PM
62. And we're free to say that an omnivorous diet
Response to yewberry (Reply #62)
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 04:02 PM
67. no one said you weren't.
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and supposedly it's the "meat eaters" that are so defensive on DU.
for fuck sake. |
Response to yewberry (Reply #69)
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 01:42 PM
70. why yes, i did realize you were being a parrot!
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did you not realize expressing one's opinion about what one prefers to eat is not being judgmental?
probably not, in your rush to be all defensive.
bwaaaaack, yewberry wants some broccoli! |
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:25 AM
47. Do you recall what Clemenceau once said about war, Redfairen?
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He said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 100 years ago, he may have been right.
But now, food is too important to be left to the politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for culinary thought. I can no longer sit back and allow vegetarian infiltration, vegetarian indoctrination, vegetarian subversion, and the international vegetarian conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.  |
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 11:38 AM
leftyladyfrommo (11,234 posts)
48. I'm a vegan but you have to eat really nutritious foods
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:13 PM
56. I'll take my chances with meat
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Oh, and I am 50, low blood pressure, low cholesterol, etc.
Heart was just checked throughly - all good there too |
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Thu Jan 31, 2013, 05:15 PM
57. Also, nothing in article to indicate if they looked at types of meat
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Fri Feb 1, 2013, 02:52 PM
63. GOP plans to enshrine meat as amendment to constitution...
Response to Redfairen (Original post)
Sat Feb 2, 2013, 02:24 PM
71. Yeah, but you just die of boredom.
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I don't eat a lot of beef, but I eat chicken, seafood and the occasional pork loin. I mostly eat lean protein and I also eat plenty of vegetables.
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