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SharonAnn

(13,743 posts)
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:08 PM Dec 2012

Toddler dies after accidentally shooting himself with grandfather's gun

Source: WBIR.com (East Tennessee)

A toddler has died after accidentally shooting himself with his grandfather's gun near Chattanooga.

It happened in the Harrison community, just north of the city Thursday night.

Police say 2-year-old Brennan Nowell died after he picked up the .40 caliber gun and shot himself in the side.

There's no word yet on possible charges.

Read more: http://www.wbir.com/news/article/246576/2/Toddler-dies-after-accidentally-shooting-himself-with-grandfathers-gun?odyssey=obinsite



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Toddler dies after accidentally shooting himself with grandfather's gun (Original Post) SharonAnn Dec 2012 OP
Grandfather should get JesterCS Dec 2012 #1
Agreed, and he very likely will. Buzz Clik Dec 2012 #6
In many states it's only a misdemeanor taxpayer2000 Dec 2012 #34
seriously? BainsBane Dec 2012 #59
Sadly yes taxpayer2000 Dec 2012 #68
maybe the grandfather suffers from alzeimer's? samsingh Dec 2012 #72
Here's the local story. southerncrone Dec 2012 #93
Guns don't kill people Sky Masterson Dec 2012 #2
A Self-Deportation Moment bucolic_frolic Dec 2012 #23
He must have been mentally ill. harmonicon Dec 2012 #37
Clearly, there should be a policeman in every grandfather's house. nilram Dec 2012 #51
Yep, why wasn't that cop there, was he loafing around, an armed cop RKP5637 Dec 2012 #52
the NRA should pay for all the increased policing samsingh Dec 2012 #73
They better check that toddlers hardrive SummerSnow Dec 2012 #104
So sad. We have to find a way to stop this. AllyCat Dec 2012 #3
Damn,,,, benld74 Dec 2012 #4
Clearly it was because the toddler played Call of Duty while on antidepressants! Scootaloo Dec 2012 #5
The Grandfather better be charged Bjorn Against Dec 2012 #7
i bet grandpa thought he was responsible. bettyellen Dec 2012 #8
If only the grandfather had *another* gun in the house... valerief Dec 2012 #9
Obviously a mentally ill toddler Happyhippychick Dec 2012 #10
The Price We Pay for Freedom, Ma'am.... The Magistrate Dec 2012 #11
the nra agrees! Garion_55 Dec 2012 #15
Is that real? n/t Ed Suspicious Dec 2012 #22
nah. tough to tell though huh? Garion_55 Dec 2012 #36
I had same question. Revealing that we have to ask that anymore. 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #40
that's too close to the actual "press conference" tavalon Dec 2012 #42
Didn't you hear? BainsBane Dec 2012 #62
Praise the lord and pass the ammo. Yeehaw! Dash87 Dec 2012 #56
I hope grandpa is charged with involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide. Leaving a LibDemAlways Dec 2012 #12
Yes, he should get actual time in prison, not probation. mbperrin Dec 2012 #14
This wouldn't have happened if there had been an armed Good Guy… Jackpine Radical Dec 2012 #13
you forgot that the "armed good guy" has to be NRA trained Botany Dec 2012 #31
If that toddler had read the 10 commandments this wouldn't have happened Android3.14 Dec 2012 #16
Just feel physically ill when I hear stories like this. Arkansas Granny Dec 2012 #17
The toddler must have been a master gun safe cracker. JimDandy Dec 2012 #18
Im confused Throckmorton Dec 2012 #19
Sorry to say that's actually a relevant question, given certain chaotic trends that have produced a patrice Dec 2012 #38
What? Fantastic Anarchist Dec 2012 #100
Yes. there. are. patrice Dec 2012 #101
I love my father but if he had left a firearm out where my child could get to it... progressoid Dec 2012 #20
My father did... ReRe Dec 2012 #29
That is a powerful story and so timely. 99th_Monkey Dec 2012 #43
There's nothing more to say about it... ReRe Dec 2012 #45
Jeez ReRe. progressoid Dec 2012 #91
Hey, my dad made his choices... ReRe Dec 2012 #95
And yet another irresponsible gun owner murders another child. kestrel91316 Dec 2012 #21
Yes. That trigger might as well have been pulled by the grandfather himself. Ikonoklast Dec 2012 #46
Sad. This will probably tear the family apart. nt ZombieHorde Dec 2012 #24
Another "Opps" Gun Death otohara Dec 2012 #25
Without a gun he'd have found another way to kill himself Doctor_J Dec 2012 #26
Nothing new to see here... Kalidurga Dec 2012 #27
H*O*W?? Does a grandfather do something like that? Is alcohol involved? I mean HOW is this possible? patrice Dec 2012 #28
2nd toddler killed the same way 3 days ago. So sad. go west young man Dec 2012 #30
In the USA guns kill 8 kids a DAY. :( Sunlei Dec 2012 #65
Is Grandpa still glad he got that gun? tblue Dec 2012 #32
One word describes this incident... ReRe Dec 2012 #33
More guns can't possibly increase accidental shootings.... Evasporque Dec 2012 #35
Since it is likely there will not be homicide charges in this case logosoco Dec 2012 #39
Damn it all tavalon Dec 2012 #41
B-b-but, guns don't kill people. Shadowflash Dec 2012 #44
If gramps had had another gun in the house he could have prevented this. Just ask the NRA appleannie1 Dec 2012 #47
Innocent little baby... Melinda Dec 2012 #48
I would love to see the NRA or the Right Wing try... the devil Dec 2012 #49
Are the guns left on the coffee table? zebrastripe Dec 2012 #50
horrible... SoapBox Dec 2012 #53
If you own guns, keep them properly stored. ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #54
My husband, nearly in tears, apologized to me for not putting a gun lock on... Tikki Dec 2012 #74
Waiting for LaPierre to come out and say we need armed guards at all homes of grandparents. jillan Dec 2012 #55
Some on DU claim that accidental deaths don't count BainsBane Dec 2012 #57
A .40 caliber is almost certainly a semi automatic Fumesucker Dec 2012 #58
Fixed it for you: ManiacJoe Dec 2012 #75
Keep sucking GeorgeGist Dec 2012 #85
Wayne? Is that you? Fumesucker Dec 2012 #96
tragic. However, this should be felony negligence. Sunlei Dec 2012 #60
And of course, this sort of thing SheilaT Dec 2012 #61
Great suggestions. Hell, you need insurance to drive a car, why not insurance to have a gun? nt SunSeeker Dec 2012 #69
In Japan.. Toronto Dec 2012 #79
Don't see any good reason why we can't have a similar SheilaT Dec 2012 #88
You probably could Toronto Dec 2012 #105
responsible heaven05 Dec 2012 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Bad_Ronald Dec 2012 #64
Good thing it was savalez Dec 2012 #66
Nailed it. crim son Dec 2012 #67
Actually if it had been grandpa's dog exboyfil Dec 2012 #77
No offense but you are kinda missing my point. savalez Dec 2012 #103
Gun safe. truthisfreedom Dec 2012 #70
Aw damn, that poor kid& family. All the replies here make me sick and I agree with them all also uppityperson Dec 2012 #71
At least Grandpa has his freedumb and 2A rights. I'm sure that's a big comfort to the family Dems to Win Dec 2012 #76
Just another statistic Squaredeal Dec 2012 #78
Toddlers die to protect the Second Amendment in America. Routinely. Dems to Win Dec 2012 #80
Does anyone else find it perverse Toronto Dec 2012 #81
SSDD. AngryOldDem Dec 2012 #82
This happens so often. Chemisse Dec 2012 #83
Only if the toddler had been trained in the use of firearms cosmicone Dec 2012 #84
A couple of stories mimi85 Dec 2012 #87
I'm so sorry you had to put up with that. Still Blue in PDX Dec 2012 #98
Well, obviously . . . OldRedneck Dec 2012 #86
looks like the coockoo bird gun nutters are losing the argument fascisthunter Dec 2012 #89
Is a small pistol safe too much to ask? ileus Dec 2012 #90
funny you should ask. CTyankee Dec 2012 #92
Obviously the solution is an armed guard in every grandfather's home Nye Bevan Dec 2012 #94
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. Crunchy Frog Dec 2012 #97
Except that yesterday... primavera Dec 2012 #99
If that kid was armed, this would not have happened! ... Deep13 Dec 2012 #102
 

taxpayer2000

(17 posts)
34. In many states it's only a misdemeanor
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:24 PM
Dec 2012

And here in MN they do not charge folks or they settle for probation. IMHO we need to ensure our State AG's and Governors know this is completely unacceptable!

BainsBane

(52,983 posts)
59. seriously?
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:39 PM
Dec 2012

I'm in MN too. I did not realize that. It makes me ill. Of course in Minneapolis there is very little the police bother to investigate, but state wide?

 

taxpayer2000

(17 posts)
68. Sadly yes
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:56 PM
Dec 2012

The guy who left his loaded gun under his pillow where his 4yo son shot his 2yo brother has not been charged. The guy from the August toddler shooting got 5-years probation.

[link:http://www.startribune.com/local/minneapolis/182243551.html?clmob=y&c=n&refer=y|

samsingh

(17,512 posts)
72. maybe the grandfather suffers from alzeimer's?
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:04 PM
Dec 2012

the problem with so many guns is that accidents WILL happen.

the NRA is to blame for this.

bucolic_frolic

(42,024 posts)
23. A Self-Deportation Moment
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:54 PM
Dec 2012

Did I read we have 2.7 guns for every American?

Guns are more ubiquitous than toasters. And people
accept them as just part of the landscape. They lose
their vigilance over how deadly they are meant to be.

For some reason this news story hits me. The little
guy was not protected as he should have been.

harmonicon

(12,008 posts)
37. He must have been mentally ill.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:29 PM
Dec 2012

Clearly there should be a national database of those with mental illness. That would prevent such tragedies.

RKP5637

(66,959 posts)
52. Yep, why wasn't that cop there, was he loafing around, an armed cop
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:16 PM
Dec 2012

should have been there. And while we're at it, how about road rage, we need a fully armed cop at every stop sign and street light to keep road rage in line. And what about the loafing nation guard. We need 7x24 convoys running along the major highways with fully armed tanks. Now, with all of these logical solutions what's the problem. Oh, I forgot, free guns and ammo for all citizens, illegals too. Get those toddlers armed too! And what about attack dogs with guns, see no problem with that either.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
7. The Grandfather better be charged
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:12 PM
Dec 2012

He may not have intended this, but if you are going to own guns then you need to be accountable for those guns.

The Magistrate

(95,150 posts)
11. The Price We Pay for Freedom, Ma'am....
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:14 PM
Dec 2012

We should be proud, and honor this little tyke's noble sacrifice by rushing and acquiring a Bushmaster with thirty round clips. It is our duty as Americans to do sol!

Garion_55

(1,914 posts)
36. nah. tough to tell though huh?
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:27 PM
Dec 2012

i wouldnt have been surprised if that had been them. isnt any worse than what they actually said

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
40. I had same question. Revealing that we have to ask that anymore.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:34 PM
Dec 2012

Life's becoming the "Onion Meets Sat. Nite Live", and visa-versa.

BainsBane

(52,983 posts)
62. Didn't you hear?
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:42 PM
Dec 2012

Obama had the children murdered to provide an excuse to take away everyone's guns.

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
12. I hope grandpa is charged with involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide. Leaving a
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:17 PM
Dec 2012

loaded weapon out where a two-year-old can get at it is criminal.

mbperrin

(7,672 posts)
14. Yes, he should get actual time in prison, not probation.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:26 PM
Dec 2012

And wide publicity.

Let's see how that "guns don't kill people" line plays now.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
16. If that toddler had read the 10 commandments this wouldn't have happened
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:28 PM
Dec 2012

It's obvious that there is a direct link between the violence in the media, the lack of prayer in schools, and this child's death.
Thank you NRA for opening my eyes.

Arkansas Granny

(31,449 posts)
17. Just feel physically ill when I hear stories like this.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:35 PM
Dec 2012

And Grandpa probably won't face charges as they will call it an accident and that he's suffered enough by losing a Grandchild and the burden of guilt he will bear.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
38. Sorry to say that's actually a relevant question, given certain chaotic trends that have produced a
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:33 PM
Dec 2012

whole cohort (which some of us think is heavily represented amongst bourgeosie anarchists) that is NOT kidding about their hopes to see all of the detritus disposed of one way or another, so suicide by one means or another is just fine & and Civil War II is just the ticket for a couple of issue-cohorts (anti-Choice & LGBTQ hate & Red Dawn paranoia) in their milieu. The working-class sense/know this, but the source object of what they sense is diffuse, so it is possible to mistake what's going on and get suckered by those who don't have your best interests at heart and may even be actively supporting the sorts of things that create incidents such as the one reported in this story.

BTW, I saw some of this up close and personal this last year; I have taught high school, some of it for wealthy parents and I have an absolutely enormous family, so I have seen a lot.

Fantastic Anarchist

(7,309 posts)
100. What?
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:08 PM
Dec 2012

You're blaming anarchists? Bourgeois anarchists? There is no such thing. Hate to side track the thread ...so I won't. Read up on anarchist theory and history.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
101. Yes. there. are.
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:39 PM
Dec 2012

Maybe you need to get out more:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022057816#post37

And that's only one instance of the sort of stuff that I have seen.

There is a perspective that I am personally acquainted with which assumes that there are no solutions other than as much destruction as possible (Civil War II will suit just fine thank you very much) since they think that's pretty much what is headed our way anyway because of global climate change and the assumed inevitability of the ultimate world war/armageddon, so the sooner it happens the better so "we can start all over" and those who die in the process SHOULD die, because they are part of the problem.

Aside from the fact that anarchy must be inherently chaotic in order to be anarchistic, YOU are probably not one of the sub-type(s) to whom I refer (one example of which would be "the black block&quot but, given the mix of issues out there, guns, the war on drugs, the cannabis movement, our toxic financial sector, Citizens United, the labor movement re-articulating itself, hate-mongering churches, prison over-crowding, LiberTea freelance organizing etc. etc. etc., it would not be even remotely un-likely that there are some pretty exotic hybrids of anarchists out there, because that IS the nature of anarchy, is it not?

progressoid

(49,583 posts)
20. I love my father but if he had left a firearm out where my child could get to it...
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 12:46 PM
Dec 2012

I don't think I could ever forgive him.

Thankfully, my father would never do such a thing.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
29. My father did...
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:13 PM
Dec 2012

bring a hand gun into my house once and laid it on the coffee table. I told him immediately to take his gun, get out of my house, and never return, as my son was under age five. He did and never returned, ever. And that was that.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
43. That is a powerful story and so timely.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:37 PM
Dec 2012

Hope you write it up more in depth for wider readership someday,
or sooner.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
45. There's nothing more to say about it...
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:49 PM
Dec 2012

That's what happened and that's how I handled it. I took parenthood VERY seriously. But my father never did (take parenthood seriously.) He was one lost puppy when it came to life.

progressoid

(49,583 posts)
91. Jeez ReRe.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:41 PM
Dec 2012

So sorry you lost your father in this. But the safety and well-being of son is more important.

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
95. Hey, my dad made his choices...
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:11 AM
Dec 2012

... in life. It made a rough childhood for me and my sibling, but we made it through with little damage. Children really are resilient, and my sibling and I are living proof of the cliche-sounding phrase. The cycle was broken, and that's what is important. As bad as we had it, we both know people who had it much worse than us. So we count our blessings.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
46. Yes. That trigger might as well have been pulled by the grandfather himself.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:52 PM
Dec 2012

I am fairly certain that he would never have left a glass full of a deadly poison anywhere a toddler could have reached it, but had no problem leaving a loaded handgun out in the same circumstances.

I'm sorry, but anyone that FUCKING STUPID is a not only a danger to his own family, he's a danger to society as a whole, is NOT A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER, and needs to go to prison.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
25. Another "Opps" Gun Death
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:02 PM
Dec 2012

Grandfather needs to go to jail and think each and everyday how fucking irresponsible he was to have a loaded gun where a child could grab it.

Fuck the NRA and guns

Yesterday I was standing in line at the post office and wonder for the first time if someone in the building was totting a gun. As we all know, gun sales have skyrocketed in CO as in CT as well in Hawaii, who has the lowest rate of gun violence all the states.





 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
26. Without a gun he'd have found another way to kill himself
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:02 PM
Dec 2012

the shock is gone, but the sadness is still there.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
27. Nothing new to see here...
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:09 PM
Dec 2012

I grew up in a small town/rural area. I know of at least two deaths due to guns. One of them was called a suicide, but the circumstances were suspicious. The other was a 5 year old killed by his nine year old brother when they were playing cowboys and Indians with at least one of them the nine year old with a real gun. Now I live in Minnesota, Twin Cities area and it's not uncommon to hear about gun violence in the news.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
28. H*O*W?? Does a grandfather do something like that? Is alcohol involved? I mean HOW is this possible?
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:10 PM
Dec 2012

tblue

(16,350 posts)
32. Is Grandpa still glad he got that gun?
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:15 PM
Dec 2012

Is he a proud member of the NRA? Was he saying just this week we need more guns, and we need to arm schoolteachers?

This shit happens. A lot. Many people who are bragging today about how great private gun ownership is are going to suffer this same fate. They think it can't happen to them. But it does. Every week there's at least one story like this. Is it worth it, even if it costs your grandchild his life?

ReRe

(10,597 posts)
33. One word describes this incident...
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:19 PM
Dec 2012
Irresponsibility. Period. Complicated by an inebriated absent mind.

Evasporque

(2,133 posts)
35. More guns can't possibly increase accidental shootings....
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:26 PM
Dec 2012

It just does not happen according to the NRA....

logosoco

(3,208 posts)
39. Since it is likely there will not be homicide charges in this case
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:33 PM
Dec 2012

(not that I agree with that...) it would be a good thing if people who have had this happen (and there are too g-d damn many) to be required to go and talk to people about the dangers of having guns in a household with children. Maybe if people saw in person the hell this man has made for himself and his family they would double check to make sure their own guns are taken care of better.
Maybe even have gun safes and other safety measures available to learn more about and purchase.

I don't know.
Just looking for answers....

tavalon

(27,985 posts)
41. Damn it all
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 01:34 PM
Dec 2012

I''m so tired of this. A well armed militia? A poorly armed toddler, I'd say. That is just awful.

the devil

(42 posts)
49. I would love to see the NRA or the Right Wing try...
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:01 PM
Dec 2012

...to blame this on video games, or rock music.

I have yet to see someone go into a public place and kill them with an XBox or Playstation.
I have yet to see someone killed with music. I mean...I know people want to kill their radios when Bieber or Nicki Minaj are playing...but that's different.

Another tragic loss, this time of a 2 year old....when will it be enough? When will it end?

zebrastripe

(26 posts)
50. Are the guns left on the coffee table?
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:03 PM
Dec 2012

Who are these people who leave guns accessible to anyone, why aren't they (the guns or maybe the gun owners) locked away?

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
53. horrible...
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:21 PM
Dec 2012

Hey NRA...gonna promote some more guns?

Maybe Gramps should have had armed guards in his house? Or some other bizzare shit, that you might come up with?

Get RID of the Fucking guns, folks.

Tikki

(14,518 posts)
74. My husband, nearly in tears, apologized to me for not putting a gun lock on...
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:21 PM
Dec 2012

his only gun earlier. I will never know what prompted him to finally put a gun lock
on that gun. I suspect someone at his work had an incident in their family or friends that didn't end well.

The gun is, also, properly stored.


Tikki

jillan

(39,451 posts)
55. Waiting for LaPierre to come out and say we need armed guards at all homes of grandparents.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:32 PM
Dec 2012


There was a shooting last nite in Tucson at a shopping Mall.
Luckily no one was injured .... this time.


I have had enough.

BainsBane

(52,983 posts)
57. Some on DU claim that accidental deaths don't count
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:37 PM
Dec 2012

because people the gun owner is responsible for his own home. Isn't that lovely? They don't think the lives of children like this "count."

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
58. A .40 caliber is almost certainly a semi automatic
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:39 PM
Dec 2012

I wonder how the kid worked the slide to chamber a round?

Because no one with a functioning brain leaves a semi auto laying around with a round in the chamber.

ManiacJoe

(10,136 posts)
75. Fixed it for you:
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:23 PM
Dec 2012

Because no one with a functioning brain leaves a semi auto any gun laying around with a round in the chamber.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
60. tragic. However, this should be felony negligence.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:40 PM
Dec 2012

Even if the child didn't die. This is the same type of negligence as leaving a tot home alone, baby alone in the bath or leaving poison and razor blades on the floor. The parents should be charged aswell if they left their baby with anyone known to them, to have weapons in the house. The kind of felony where they will never be able to own guns again.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
61. And of course, this sort of thing
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:41 PM
Dec 2012

is so incredibly rare that it almost never happens, and is such an unforeseeable accident, and of course many more responsible gun owners stop home invaders than children are ever "accidentally" killed by unsecured guns.

Oh, wait. A couple of hundred children are killed each year in such accident. And no one really knows how many home invaders are deterred with a gun, because those stories are mainly anecdotal.

I have long been sick of hearing these kinds of stories. Something like this happens nearly every single day. Meanwhile about thirty people are shot every single day by someone who intends to kill them.

But "responsible" gun owners are never at fault, are they?

I say, any time this sort of thing happens the gun owner needs to be charged with negligent homicide at the very least. Too often it's said that the family is suffering enough. Well, maybe the gun owner needs to not only suffer but serve jail time.

Here's how we start: Every single gun must be registered. Certain ones, the ones known as assault weapons, must be turned in. No more extended magazines. Every single gun owner must carry some kind of liability insurance, so that if the gun is stolen and later used in a crime, there's still responsibility here. Limits on the number of guns a person can own.

How many more people need to die? How many more toddlers? How many more mass murders?

 

Toronto

(183 posts)
79. In Japan..
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:25 PM
Dec 2012

actual guns are completely illegal. You can however own an air rifle. Here is the requirement to own an air rifle in Japan:

To get a gun in Japan, first, you have to attend an all-day class and pass a written test, which are held only once per month. You also must take and pass a shooting range class. Then, head over to a hospital for a mental test and drug test (Japan is unusual in that potential gun owners must affirmatively prove their mental fitness), which you'll file with the police. Finally, pass a rigorous background check for any criminal record or association with criminal or extremist groups, and you will be the proud new owner of your shotgun or air rifle. Just don't forget to provide police with documentation on the specific location of the gun in your home, as well as the ammo, both of which must be locked and stored separately. And remember to have the police inspect the gun once per year and to re-take the class and exam every three years.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
88. Don't see any good reason why we can't have a similar
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:01 PM
Dec 2012

set-up here.

I am so angry at those who continue to say "Second Amendment, Second Amendment" as if that makes gunning down people perfectly okay. I am sick of the claim that we can't possibly get rid of the 300 million (!) guns in this country. I've had it with "responsible" gun owners and toddlers shooting themselves.

Other countries manage without a significant percentage of their citizenry being armed, why can't we?

 

Toronto

(183 posts)
105. You probably could
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 04:22 PM
Dec 2012

if you can get the majority of people to admit that the 2nd Amendment is really an anachronism, but it will require more activism than simply complaining on DU. If the NRA can lobby, so can everyone else. I doubt that the dedicated gun owners in the US outnumber the dedicated peace lovers. They're just more vocal. You're elected reps are only there because you vote for them. If repealing 2A means they'll get re-elected, they'll support you, Republican or Democrat.

Response to SharonAnn (Original post)

savalez

(3,517 posts)
66. Good thing it was
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 02:53 PM
Dec 2012

a gun. Right? Had it been a grandpa's dog, or if grandpa was walking the kid across the street the the kid got hit by a bus there would probably be talk of serious charges.

exboyfil

(17,830 posts)
77. Actually if it had been grandpa's dog
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:41 PM
Dec 2012

or if he was irresponsibly crossing the road, then yes we could consider charges as well. Negligence is negligence. Dog owners have been charged (not as much as they should be) and convicted sometimes, and a parent jaywalking was convicted and almost put into prison.

savalez

(3,517 posts)
103. No offense but you are kinda missing my point.
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 02:06 PM
Dec 2012

On edit, you are either missing it or making it. I'm not sure.

uppityperson

(115,671 posts)
71. Aw damn, that poor kid& family. All the replies here make me sick and I agree with them all also
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:04 PM
Dec 2012

RI little Brennan. I hope the family learns something from this and at some time finds some sort of peace. Their christmas/winter holiday will be ruined forever

How tragic.

For DUers, I agree. The whole thing makes me sick, and I agree with all your comments.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
76. At least Grandpa has his freedumb and 2A rights. I'm sure that's a big comfort to the family
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:34 PM
Dec 2012

Time for a National Don't Wanna Get Shot By A Rifle Association. Help collect 4 million signatures

Please see this thread


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022055101

Squaredeal

(358 posts)
78. Just another statistic
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 03:54 PM
Dec 2012

Many gun deaths in our country are the result of negligence like this and they will continue to happen without serious governmental intervention. At least the death was confined to the owner's home and not at a school, as in Sandy Hook and so many other schools when a kid gets his hands on his parent's or relative's weapon.

 

Dems to Win

(2,161 posts)
80. Toddlers die to protect the Second Amendment in America. Routinely.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:33 PM
Dec 2012

I agree it's best it was confined to the gun owner's home. At least his own family paid for his negligence, not a neighbor's family. No justice for the toddler, though. He didn't ask to be born into a family of gun lovers.

 

Toronto

(183 posts)
81. Does anyone else find it perverse
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:39 PM
Dec 2012

that when any other product results in the accidental death of children it is recalled, banned or required to be re-engineered for safety, but the gun is immune to the rules of regular commerce?

Chemisse

(30,778 posts)
83. This happens so often.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 04:55 PM
Dec 2012

I'm sure the grandfather is devastated, but there is really no excuse for leaving a loaded gun where children can get hold of it.

I don't see this as part of the gun control issue though, unless you want to ban all guns for all people, which I don't.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
84. Only if the toddler had been trained in the use of firearms
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 06:36 PM
Dec 2012

and had a membership in the NRA this could have been averted.



mimi85

(1,805 posts)
87. A couple of stories
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:56 PM
Dec 2012

Our daughter was born in July, 1968, which was sadly enough the year both RJK and MLK were assassinated. I was almost exactly 8 months pregnant. My husband and I rented a small house next to my parent's. My dad came over the day after RFK was killed and wanted to know if my husband I would go target shooting with him. I. Totally. Flipped.
Seriously, I made one of Lawrence O'Donnell's rants seem tame. My dad just didn't "get it." He was a loving, caring father, always kept his guns locked up - they were hunting rifles and he not a "gun nut" at all. But with all the turmoils of the time, this was the last straw. Needless to say, my husband (45 years this New Year's Eve) didn't go.

Another one. One of my brother-in-laws is a card carrying GOPer. I have no doubt he must belong to the NRA. We haven't seen him or my husband's family in years - just nothing in common. No other big deal reason. We used to gather at his house with all the cousins, brothers and sisters every Xmas Eve, mainly to see my husband's Mom - a wonderful woman, I still miss her.
Anyway, my BIL had a locked gun safe with a sign on the outside of it that said "Don't touch, no ebonics spoken here." My first grandchild, born when I was 35, is biracial and just seeing that totally pissed me off. Since it was a family gathering, I never said anything about it. Wrong time. But my husband and I haven't forgotten it. Once my MIL passed away, we never went over there again.

My grandfather and uncle both committed suicide with guns. Sure, if they were determined, they would have killed themselves anyway, but it just added to my hatred of guns. Ha, I wouldn't even let my daughter have a squirt gun! Perhaps carrying it too far, but that's just the way I feel.

Sorry about the super long post.

Still Blue in PDX

(1,999 posts)
98. I'm so sorry you had to put up with that.
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 10:39 AM
Dec 2012

I look at my in-laws sometimes (particularly the crazy rightwing emails my MIL forwards) and wonder how my husband turned out so normal, i.e., progressive, but I like to think perhaps I had some influence on him.

My own dad hated guns.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
86. Well, obviously . . .
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 07:55 PM
Dec 2012

Obviously the 2-yr-old was hopped up on violent movies and video games and we need to put a cop in every home.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
90. Is a small pistol safe too much to ask?
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 08:56 PM
Dec 2012

If my pistol isn't on my side it's locked in the bedroom safe. (And my kids are older)

CTyankee

(63,503 posts)
92. funny you should ask.
Sat Dec 22, 2012, 09:51 PM
Dec 2012

Oh well, at least his gramps was freedom loving enough to have a gun to protect himself and his family...this is just as the founders had planned it. What could possibly go wrong?

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
94. Obviously the solution is an armed guard in every grandfather's home
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 01:51 AM
Dec 2012

to guard the grandfather's weapon.

Crunchy Frog

(26,512 posts)
97. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 09:56 AM
Dec 2012

Wish I could have shot Grandpa myself before this tragedy occured.

primavera

(5,191 posts)
99. Except that yesterday...
Sun Dec 23, 2012, 11:08 AM
Dec 2012

... grampa Rambo was a "normal, law-abiding, responsible gun owner" whose RKBA the NRA and gun advocates would have fought to the death to protect. Now that he's actually done something, of course, it's entirely different - he should never have been allowed to have a gun in the first place.

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