ICC prosecutor seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu for war crimes over October 7 attack and Gaza

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Source: CNN World

Updated 11:25 AM EDT, Mon May 20, 2024


CNN — The International Criminal Court is seeking arrest warrants for Hamas leader in Gaza Yahya Sinwar and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity over the October 7 attacks on Israel and the subsequent war in Gaza, the court’s prosecutor Karim Khan told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour in an exclusive interview on Monday.

Khan said the ICC’s prosecution team is also seeking warrants for Israel’s Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, as well as two other top Hamas leaders — Mohammed Diab Ibrahim al-Masri, the leader of the Al Qassem Brigades who is better known as Mohammed Deif, and Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas’ political leader.

The warrants against the Israeli politicians mark the first time the ICC has targeted the top leader of a close ally of the United States. The decision puts Netanyahu in the company of the Russian President Vladimir Putin, for whom the ICC issued an arrest warrant over Moscow’s war on Ukraine, and the Libyan strongman Moammar Gadhafi, who was facing an arrest warrant from the ICC for alleged crimes against humanity at the time of his capture and killing in October 2011.

By applying for the arrest warrants against Israeli and Hamas leaders in the same action, Khan’s office risks attracting criticism that it places a terror organization and an elected government on an equivalent footing.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/20/middleeast/icc-israel-hamas-arrest-warrant-war-crimes-intl/index.html

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Full new headline: EXCLUSIVE: ICC prosecutor seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu for war crimes over October 7 attack and Gaza

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EXCLUSIVE: ICC seeks arrest warrants against Sinwar and Netanyahu for war crimes over October 7 attack and Gaza war

Published 6:41 AM EDT, Mon May 20, 2024


CNN — The International Criminal Court is seeking arrest warrants for Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity over the October 7 attacks on Israel and the subsequent war in Gaza, the court’s chief prosecutor Karim Khan told CNN’s Christiane Amanpour in an exclusive interview on Monday.

Khan said the ICC is also seeking warrants for Israel’s Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, as well as two other top Hamas leaders — Mohammed Diab Ibrahim al-Masri, the leader of the Al Qassem Brigades and better known as Mohammed Deif, and Ismail Haniyeh, Hamas’ political leader.

The warrants against the Israeli politicians mark the first time the ICC has targeted the top leader of a close ally of the United States. The decision puts Netanyahu in the company of the Russian President Vladimir Putin, for who the ICC issued an arrest warrant over Moscow’s war on Ukraine.

A panel of ICC judges will now consider Khan’s application for the arrest warrants. Khan said the charges against Sinwar, Haniyeh and al-Masri include “extermination, murder, taking of hostages, rape and sexual assault in detention.”

[Lonestarblue]

1. Putin and Netanyahu have a lot in common. Both are brutal dictators who reject peace and embrace murder.

[Voltaire2]

4. Netanyahu is not a dictator.

He is the legitimately elected prime minister of a democratic republic.

[Lonestarblue]

5. Putin was legitimately elected also.

[Voltaire2]

6. Nope.

[AZLD4Candidate]

7. When did Bibi jail his political opponents or have them throw out of windows or poison them? Has Bibi?

The entire world saw the Russian election as a scam.

Israel's elections were not a scam.

Putin was not legitimately elected. Bibi's party won a plurality then formed a government with allied or semi-allied parties under a parliamentary, coalition government style.

Following your logic, Xi Jinping was legitimately elected because he was voted in 2067-0 at the Great Hall of the People by the "representatives of the people." That's a dictator. Putin's "election" was manipulated, just like the Saar plebiscite in 1936. Hamas was legitimately elected, winning 72 out of the 132 seats in the Palestinian parliament and they haven't had another election since.

[questionseverything]

27. Bibi jails his political opponents all the time, without charges

[Voltaire2]

29. Every Israeli government has violated the rights

of the people living in the occupied territories. That is a related issue, and as an apartheid regime the argument that its status as a democracy is dubious has validity. However that still doesn’t make Netanyahu a dictator.

[questionseverything]

32. I didn't call him a dictator, I only pointed out he tosses people in prison without charges

Let alone a trial

[Voltaire2]

34. This subthread was about the claim that

Netanyahu is a dictator, which is why it appeared to me that you were supporting that claim.

[questionseverything]

37. I replied to the first sentence of #7...which I feel was incorrect

What bibi is called, wether it’s murder, monster, bully or butcher doesn’t matter to me

I do believe in a true democracy, everyone should have basic human rights but i don’t know if any country has met that standard

[dembotoz]

10. he just plays one on tv

[HandmaidsTaleUntold]

18. Like Trump

He dictated after elected.

[speak easy]

2. "causing starvation as a method of war, including the denial of humanitarian relief supplies,"

Going to be difficult to deny that one.

[Voltaire2]

3. Good.

[Darwins_Retriever]

8. Israel is not a member of the ICC

just like the US. Due to this, the ICC has no jurisdiction over Israel or any of its citizens.

[prodigitalson]

9. bibi can never leave the country now

[former9thward]

11. Putin has been leaving the country.

And Netanyahu can certainly go to the U.S. which is not a member of the ICC.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

13. That's not true at all,

he can travel to any country that's not a signatory of the ICC, also, even if he travels to a member country, it's up to the country on whether or not to enforce the warrants and I would imagine that there would be guarantees in place before such travel happens

[BumRushDaShow]

12. But then one might recall the cheering

when absent ICC warrants, several countries including France, Germany, Switzerland and even Malaysia issued or threatened to issue arrest warrants for Shrub, Darth, Rumsfeld and others for the Guantanamo Bay torture nightmare and the Iraq War.

Travel to certain locations by them ended up being cancelled and whatnot.

[Voltaire2]

14. He can be arrested in any member state.

[sarisataka]

15. Qatar is not a signatory

But Palestine is.

[LeftInTX]

16. Darn about Qatar.....Palestinians aren't gonna turn Hamas in, remaining Hamas will kill them.

[sarisataka]

17. I have a suspicion those warrants

will be swept under the rug. Only one will concern people.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

19. Good luck

[Ping Tung]

20. There are 124 countries that are parties to the ICC and any of them can arrest either or both of these guys and .

and hold them for extradition for trial. The Brits arrested Pinochet and held him for about 18 months.

Here's a list of the countries that they'd be wise not vacation in.

https://asp.icc-cpi.int/states-parties

I would encourage both to ignore the warrants and take their chances. If they're innocent of the crimes they're accused of they have nothing to fear.

Right?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

21. True, but what is failed to notice is that enforcing the warrants is up to the individual countries,

and I would suspect that the majority would not enforce the warrants, against either HAMAs or Nuttyyahoo.

[Ping Tung]

22. It doesn't have to be a majority. Just one will do.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_indicted_in_the_International_Criminal_Court

[MarineCombatEngineer]

23. Yeah, that's kinda what I said.

Neither HAMAs nor Nuttyyahoo would visit a member country of the ICC without guarantees that there will be no attempt to arrest and extradite to the ICC, and I suspect that beyond a few countries, there will be no attempt to enforce these warrants.

[Ping Tung]

25. "...beyond a few countries.."

That's the catch. They may try to get certain countries to give guarantees before they travel to them. I believe that many of those countries will refuse to be bullied and issue the enforce the arrests.

We'll see.

[sarisataka]

24. The State of Palestine is a signatory

So should be the first enforcing the warrants.

I have a hunch we won't see that happen, or that we will see many (any) calling on them to do so.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

26. Agreed. nt

[sarisataka]

28. What do you think the State of Palestine will do?

[Ping Tung]

31. I imagine they'd love to arrest Bibi if he was stupid enough to make a visit to Palestine.

I also imagine that they will ignore the warrants against the Hamas suspects.

I also imagine that somewhere among the other 123 ICC members there will be some who would be willing to arrest and detain both for extradition.

The Brits (to their credit) arrested and detained Pinochet for almost 2 years before they released him to go home to Chile to die.

[sarisataka]

33. So it seems selective enforcement will rule the day

Maybe some of those other 123 countries would be willing to arrest both parties, but I believe one set could travel about anywhere without fear of arrest.

[IronLionZion]

41. The State of Palestine is mostly just the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank

If any of the people under the arrest warrants set foot in the West Bank, I would hope they are arrested for extradition. IDF patrols the West Bank anyway so Mossad would have killed them already if they were there.

They have no authority over Hamas or Gaza and are unable to make arrests there.

The State of Palestine has relatively good relations with western countries. Hamas obviously does not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine#Government_and_politics

[MutantAndProud]

30. Why does Biden oppose this

Cross-post question here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18964350

[sarisataka]

36. The UK, who is a signatory, also opposes this

"This action is not helpful in relation to reaching a pause in the fighting, getting hostages out or getting humanitarian aid in," the spokesperson said, referring to the decision made by the prosecutor of the International Criminal Court.

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk-says-icc-arrest-request-israels-netanyahu-is-unhelpful-2024-05-20/

[MutantAndProud]

38. But does it solve the issue with Netanyahu having supported Hamas

Leading up to 10/7? Targeting the precipitating cause for investigation/prosecution seems to be a more logical long term solution to stopping the generational fighting.

Also, historically, the UK leadership may have had similar Christian end time goals with promoting religious Zionism (vs secular/liberal/non religious Zionism) with their displacement of the Palestinians, and thus would also not be amenable to investigations. But I am not an expert on the changes in government thinking since the 1940s or what their parliamentary makeup is right now.

[sarisataka]

39. No and from what I am reading

that is a non-issue regarding the warrant's applications. They are looking at October 7 to present, not what had gone before.

[MutantAndProud]

40. Not directly no

In a roundabout way it adds attention and pressure to look into that and consider an alternative domestically, wasn’t clear about that like in my other post on the other thread

[no_hypocrisy]

35. Don't stop there! GO AFTER THE CRAZED SETTLORS!!