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BumRushDaShow

(130,983 posts)
Thu May 16, 2024, 02:50 PM May 16

House Judiciary votes to hold Garland in contempt

Source: The Hill

05/16/24 2:45 PM ET


The House Judiciary Committee on Thursday advanced a measure to hold in contempt Attorney General Merrick Garland in an 18-15 party line vote, a step Republicans on the House Oversight panel are also expected to take later this evening.

A last-minute move from President Biden to claim executive privilege over audio recordings from his interview with special counsel Robert Hur did not dissuade the GOP from proceeding, even as Garland said those asserting the privilege “cannot be prosecuted for criminal contempt of Congress.”

Republicans already have the transcript of Hur’s conversation with Biden, but they argue the audio recordings will be more revealing, suggesting pauses could speak to Hur’s commentary about the president’s cognitive functions of show a hesitancy to ask questions.

To Democrats, the only rationale for seeking the tapes is so the GOP can use them in campaign commercials, arguing they are misusing power purely for political gain.

Read more: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4668654-house-judiciary-votes-to-hold-garland-in-contempt/

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House Judiciary votes to hold Garland in contempt (Original Post) BumRushDaShow May 16 OP
As the late Count Floyd used to say... Fiendish Thingy May 16 #1
I was hoping that this had to do with someone's right usonian May 16 #2
I said that when Garland appointed a pro-Trump special counsel gab13by13 May 16 #3
I thought they already did Zincwarrior May 16 #4
Rake.......meet magaturd face. Repeat. Repeat again. What a bunch of maroons. Comfortably_Numb May 16 #5
I'm sure AG Garland has plenty of contempt for Congress. Dulcinea May 16 #6
So Garland holding off on any investigation into Jan 6th for two years didn't help him? LiberalLovinLug May 17 #7
No one "held off" anything BumRushDaShow May 18 #8
Okay, I should have been more specific. No investigaion into Trump's role. LiberalLovinLug May 19 #9
"Okay, I should have been more specific. No investigaion into Trump's role." BumRushDaShow May 19 #10
The point is that Garlland did not even start investigating. LiberalLovinLug May 20 #11
"The point is that Garlland did not even start investigating." BumRushDaShow May 20 #12
"But a host of factors, some in Mr. Garland's control, others not, slowed things down." LiberalLovinLug May 20 #13
"So there were "some" things going slow, that he was under control. " BumRushDaShow May 20 #14
Fair enough LiberalLovinLug May 21 #15
One of the things that as a retired fed, that I have posted before BumRushDaShow May 21 #16
Thanks for your patience in explaining LiberalLovinLug May 21 #17
One of the things that I think the many lawyers who post on DU might say BumRushDaShow May 21 #18

gab13by13

(21,800 posts)
3. I said that when Garland appointed a pro-Trump special counsel
Thu May 16, 2024, 03:24 PM
May 16

this would come back to bite him.

Magats are using Hur's summary where he said he didn't indict Biden because he was so old and forgetful. That is on Garland. When you pick up a scorpion it is going to sting you.

Too late for Garland to show remorse. I know that Biden's White House lawyers were furious at Hur/Garland.

Zincwarrior

(71 posts)
4. I thought they already did
Thu May 16, 2024, 03:33 PM
May 16

I thought they already did, like thirty seven times. Voting on another impeachment? Must be a Thursday.

Dulcinea

(6,759 posts)
6. I'm sure AG Garland has plenty of contempt for Congress.
Thu May 16, 2024, 04:42 PM
May 16

He should tell Gym Jordan et al. to fuck off & do their jobs.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,193 posts)
7. So Garland holding off on any investigation into Jan 6th for two years didn't help him?
Fri May 17, 2024, 08:43 PM
May 17

Pushed into it, embarrassed into starting it, by a Republican Liz Cheney's commission.

BumRushDaShow

(130,983 posts)
8. No one "held off" anything
Sat May 18, 2024, 06:37 AM
May 18

In fact, this press release happened 9 days after January 6, 3 months BEFORE Merrick Garland was even confirmed -

DOJ OIG Announces Initiation of Review

Department of Justice (DOJ) Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz announced today that:

The DOJ Office of the Inspector General (OIG) is initiating a review to examine the role and activity of DOJ and its components in preparing for and responding to the events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021. The DOJ OIG will coordinate its review with reviews also being conducted by the Offices of Inspector General of the Department of Defense, the Department of Homeland Security, and the Department of the Interior. The DOJ OIG review will include examining information relevant to the January 6 events that was available to DOJ and its components in advance of January 6; the extent to which such information was shared by DOJ and its components with the U.S. Capitol Police and other federal, state, and local agencies; and the role of DOJ personnel in responding to the events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6. The DOJ OIG also will assess whether there are any weaknesses in DOJ protocols, policies, or procedures that adversely affected the ability of DOJ or its components to prepare effectively for and respond to the events at the U.S. Capitol on January 6. If circumstances warrant, the DOJ OIG will consider examining other issues that may arise during the review.

The DOJ OIG is mindful of the sensitive nature of the ongoing criminal investigations and prosecutions related to the events of January 6. Consistent with long-standing OIG practice, in conducting this review, the DOJ OIG will take care to ensure that the review does not interfere with these investigations or prosecutions.

Posted Date January 15, 2021

(snip)

https://oig.justice.gov/news/doj-oig-announces-initiation-review-1


Transcript of January 15, 2021 DOJ PRESS CONFERENCE (PDF) - Press Conference Friday, January 15, 2021, 1:00 PM Eastern

United States Department of Justice
Press Conference
Friday, January 15, 2021, 1:00 PM Eastern

PARTICIPANTS

Marc Raimondi - Spokesman

Michael Sherwin - Interim United States Attorney for the District of
Columbia

Steven D'Antuono - FBI Assistant Director in Charge of Washington Field
Officer

Ashan Benedict - Special Agent in Charge of ATF Office in Washington


PRESENTATION

Operator
Good day, and welcome to the Department of Justice media call. All participants will be in listen-
only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing "*"
followed by "0". After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. You
may join the queue at any time during the presentation by pressing "*" then "1" on your
touchtone phone. To withdraw your question, please press "*" then "2". Please note this event is
being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference over to Marc Raimondi. Please go ahead.

Marc Raimondi
Thank you, and thank you all for joining us. We are a few minutes late because we wanted to
wait until the mayor of DC was able to finish her press conference because I think hers went a
little late.

We have three speakers today that will give brief remarks, and then we have time for a few
questions, and then we will let these guys that are leading the investigations and the
prosecutions get back to work. The first that is going to speak is the Acting U.S. Attorney for the
District of Washington, Michael Sherwin. He is going to be followed by the FBI Assistant
Director in Charge of the Washington Field Office Steven D'Antuono, and then we have an
individual, Ashan Benedict, who is the Special Agent in Charge of the ATF Office here in
Washington. Again he hasn't been one on these calls previously. It is Ashan, A-S-H-A-N
Benedict, B-E-N-E-D-I-C-T.

Without further ado, I'm going to turn it over to Michael Sherwin, but I would ask that if you do
think you're going to ask a question, start queuing up now, I believe it is "*" "1" to queue up so
we can get right into the Q&A phase and then let these guys get back to their day job. Thank
you. Go ahead.

Michael Sherwin
So hello, everyone. It is Mike Sherwin here. So a quick update with where we are at in terms of
prosecution and the investigation, and then I will turn it over to my colleagues here with the
Bureau and ATF.

So as of this morning 8 AM, we have currently 175 open investigations that are subjects that we
are currently looking at related to the violence in the capital. That would include cases of
violence outside the Capitol and also on the Capitol grounds, and also inside the Capitol. Of--as
related to those 275 open investigations, we anticipate that that is going to grow easily past 300
probably by the end of the day and then exponentially increase into the weekend and next
week.

So again, as of 8 AM this morning, in terms of cases, prosecutions we have opened 98 criminal
cases in terms of criminal cases that have been filed, and the majority of those cases are
federal felony cases, so I think I tried to articulate this earlier this week that, initially, we were
looking to fix, fine and charge the low hanging fruit, the individuals that we could easily roundup
in charge. A great bulk of those were misdemeanor cases, but as the investigation continues, as
the days and weeks progress, we are looking at more significant federal felony charges, and
that is exactly what we are doing in partnership with our local and federal partners.


So some of the cases that I think want to just highlight, they are emblematic of what we are
trying to do here are the following in terms of trying to really focus on some of the violent
offenders both inside and outside the Capitol. Some of these cases include Mr. Peter Stager;
this was the individual out of Arkansas. He was charged with a federal felony and arrested
yesterday in Arkansas, and this was the individual I think that's really the height of hypocrisy
that was beating an MPD officer with a flagpole, and at the other end of that flagpole was
attached the American flag and look as a veteran I found that case even more egregious, the
act of again just the hypocrisy of Mr. Stager's actions.

Another case focusing on violence that was Mr. Steger's case was violence on law
enforcement, and we are specifically focusing on that but also, unfortunately, as this case goes
on, we are seeing indications that law enforcement officers, both former and current, may have
been off duty and participating in this riot activity and I think as we said earlier, we don't care
what your profession is, who you are, who you are affiliated with if you were conducting or
engaged in criminal activity we will charge you, and you will be arrested, and that is exactly what
we are doing.

(snip)

Much more in PDF...

LiberalLovinLug

(14,193 posts)
9. Okay, I should have been more specific. No investigaion into Trump's role.
Sun May 19, 2024, 04:35 PM
May 19

Until the Jan 6th committee gave him almost no option.

Plenty of articles on it,


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/06/garland-doj-resisted-investigating-trump-january-6

A.G. Merrick Garland Resisted Investigating Trump’s Connection to January 6:
Washington Post

The Post attributed the DOJ's slow-walking to “a wariness about appearing partisan, institutional caution, and clashes over how much evidence was sufficient to investigate the actions of Trump and those around him.”

High-ranking officials at the DOJ, including Attorney General Merrick Garland, Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco, and FBI Director Christopher Wray remained wed to this approach “even as evidence emerged of an organized, weeks-long effort by Trump and his advisers before Jan. 6 to pressure state leaders, Justice officials, and Vice President Mike Pence to block the certification of Biden’s victory.”


Merrick Garland Failed America

https://prospect.org/justice/2023-08-03-merrick-garland-failed-america/

Finally. Disgraced former President Donald Trump has been indicted for the worst of his many alleged crimes: attempting to overturn the 2020 election, abolish constitutional government, and install himself as unelected dictator. ..........................
......................And it’s all no thanks to Attorney General Merrick Garland. For nearly two years, he refused to indict Trump on these severe alleged crimes that were carried out in plain sight. It was only after the House’s January 6th Committee investigating the attempted putsch uncovered damning new evidence that Garland was shamed into action, and he appointed Jack Smith as a special counsel.

BumRushDaShow

(130,983 posts)
10. "Okay, I should have been more specific. No investigaion into Trump's role."
Sun May 19, 2024, 08:05 PM
May 19
Why would anyone assume, after 231 years of a peaceful transfer of power - even during the Civil War - that a President would do this?

Seriously.

THIS was unprecedented.

And in fact, it wasn't just him but a whole cadre of wannabes who did what they did for their own selfish reasons. Fani Willis in GA captured it as a RICO case (where AZ is catching up to doing the same).

Most of the crimes were committed IN THE STATES AND IN VIOLATION OF STATE LAW. It took HOW LONG for the states that had STATE LAWS regarding how to handle Electors, to finally stop pointing the finger at someone else and DO THEIR FUCKING JOBS? In some cases like AZ & MI, the criminality happened during a period of GOP control. In GA, they actually had and still have a state under full GOP control but with some election officials not amenable to "shake downs".

STATES run the mechanics of their elections, NOT the federal government (whose role is limited to 4 Constitutional Amendments dealing with the franchise, some Voting Rights Act issues, and a handful of election-related laws that Congress passed (e.g., "Motor Voter", "HAVA", etc)).

All of these opinion pieces whining and essentially displaying "Garland Derangement Syndrome", are like Monday morning quarterbacking - you've seen "the tape" and know the end result, so now you try to go back in time and ignore what little was known THEN and idiotically proclaim that the crime should have been stopped before it happened, where it happened under the previous GOP administration.

The "caution" part should be assumed because look at what the hell is happening now with various 45 trials (both civil and criminal) where they have resulted in an endless series of appeals and appeals. You throw caution to the wind and you get your case thrown out or reversed. You try to dot every "i" and cross every "t" and you have less chance for a dismissal but you might still deal with lengthy delays when someone with a deep pocket is fighting for their own "due process", tooth and nail.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,193 posts)
11. The point is that Garlland did not even start investigating.
Mon May 20, 2024, 04:24 PM
May 20

You kind of proved my point. Yes, it does take time to gather enough evidence. Which is why it was imperitive to start immediately.

Instead, because Cheney and Democrats saw their window closing, as the House was being changed over, were compelled to begin their own investigation, including gathering statements from witnesses. Garland could have started this himself way earlier.

Instead, when he finally got his head out of his ass, he had to request the evidence that Cheney and Democrats had gathered just to begin.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/20/politics/january-6-committee-justice-department-handoff/index.html

The House select committee investigating January 6, 2021, has started handing over evidence and transcripts from its probe to the Department of Justice, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Special counsel Jack Smith, who was appointed by Attorney General Merrick Garland to oversee parts of the DOJ’s investigation into the insurrection, sent a letter to the committee earlier this month requesting all of the information from the panel’s investigation, one of the sources told CNN.

Smith’s investigators will ultimately have all of the evidence the House committee has obtained, the source said.


Just have to agree to disagree. There is, or at least was, a real paralysis within the Democratic leadership to rock the boat. Their motivation may have been good, to not give the appearance they were being exactly like Trump wants his cult to believe that they are doing now, using the justice dept. to exact revenge...(ironically what he will do). That is also why Pelosi resisted so long to start the Muller investigation and report, when the rank and file were shouting for it.
They finally are realizing that there is nothing that a cult will be placated with. That, for the sake of history, for the sake of the country, they must go for justice and let the chips fall.

BumRushDaShow

(130,983 posts)
12. "The point is that Garlland did not even start investigating."
Mon May 20, 2024, 04:55 PM
May 20

That's misinformation that keeps getting generated on DU over and over and over.

The problem with this theory that keeps getting perpetuated is that there is an idiotic demand that criminal investigations that are ongoing MUST appear "in the news" because if it doesn't, then like an infant whose toy is hidden so they can't see it, "the people" will think it doesn't exist.

Inside Garland’s Effort to Prosecute Trump


By Glenn Thrush and Adam Goldman

Reporting from Washington

Published March 22, 2024 Updated March 27, 2024

After being sworn in as attorney general in March 2021, Merrick B. Garland gathered his closest aides to discuss a topic too sensitive to broach in bigger groups: the possibility that evidence from the far-ranging Jan. 6 investigation could quickly lead to former President Donald J. Trump and his inner circle. At the time, some in the Justice Department were pushing for the chance to look at ties between pro-Trump rioters who assaulted the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, his allies who had camped out at the Willard Hotel, and possibly Mr. Trump himself.

Mr. Garland said he would place no restrictions on their work, even if the “evidence leads to Trump,” according to people with knowledge of several conversations held over his first months in office. “Follow the connective tissue upward,” said Mr. Garland, adding a directive that would eventually lead to a dead end: “Follow the money.” With that, he set the course of a determined and methodical, if at times dysfunctional and maddeningly slow, investigation that would yield the indictment of Mr. Trump on four counts of election interference in August 2023.

(snip)

People around Mr. Garland, who like others interviewed for this article spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss Justice Department affairs, say there would be no case against Mr. Trump had Mr. Garland not acted decisively. And any perception that the department had made Mr. Trump a target from the outset, without exploring other avenues, would have doomed the investigation. “Don’t confuse thoughtful with unduly cautious,” said a former deputy attorney general, Jamie S. Gorelick, who sent Mr. Garland, then her top aide, to oversee the prosecution of the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. “He was fearless. You could see it then, and you could see it when he authorized the search at Mar-a-Lago.”

Mr. Garland’s allies point to how, by the summer of 2021, the attorney general and his powerful deputy, Lisa O. Monaco, were so frustrated with the pace of the work that they created a team to investigate Trump allies who gathered at the Willard Hotel ahead of Jan. 6 — John Eastman, Boris Epshteyn, Rudolph W. Giuliani and Roger J. Stone Jr. — and possible connections to the Trump White House, according to former officials. That team would lay the groundwork for the investigation that Mr. Smith would take over as special counsel a year and a half later. But a host of factors, some in Mr. Garland’s control, others not, slowed things down.

(snip)

Much more... https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/us/politics/trump-jan-6-merrick-garland.html

No paywall (gift link)


THIS is your timeline and subsequent courses of action that are not caught up in all the hubris and obfuscation caused by the battle between the Executive Branch (DOJ) and the Legislative Branch (United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack), where the latter took 6 months to establish (formally came into existence on July 1, 2021) and after an initial hearing on the "security" situation, didn't have their first "formal" hearing until almost a year later, on June 9, 2022.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,193 posts)
13. "But a host of factors, some in Mr. Garland's control, others not, slowed things down."
Mon May 20, 2024, 06:13 PM
May 20

So there were "some" things going slow, that he was under control.

Anyways, maybe you are right, and he was working behind the scenes every waking hour already at work on it. Funny that witnesses like Hutchington and others first testimony was not in the DOJ's office but before the select committee.

"And any perception that the department had made Mr. Trump a target from the outset, without exploring other avenues, would have doomed the investigation."


I mean, pu...lease, why wouldn't it be fair to target Trump from the outset? He literally called for the storming on the Capital building in public, on TV even. What kind of whiny protestations could the GOP even mount? and here is what is important....Especially as early on as possible after McConnell and Graham's most harshest criticism of Trump, right after the event? Where were the supenas for Ivanka, or Hutchington, or Flynn, or any of the eventual House's witnesses? Slow dragging in secret to make sure you cross all the tees and dot the I's is one thing, actually starting a real investigation is another. Sorry, but I still think the AG could have, and damn well should have, begun earlier to take it beyond hand wringing behind closed doors.

BumRushDaShow

(130,983 posts)
14. "So there were "some" things going slow, that he was under control. "
Mon May 20, 2024, 07:03 PM
May 20

The whole argument from people who seem to not understand how the federal government operates and "Civics 101" (and yes I have had to deal with DOJ in my agency because MOST agencies are "regulatory" and not "enforcement" so if we needed an injunction or TRO or seizure, we had to go to DOJ to file in court for us), is that he "intentionally sat back and did "nothing".

So then when evidence is presented about what WAS done, literally right after he was confirmed, the goal posts get moved.

Got it.

In order for my agency to get some kind of legal warrant or court order against our regulated industry, we had to do a shit-load of work (at the program staff level), to gather the evidence (paperwork from investigations/inspections, photos, physical samples, lab analysis results, etc)., and then write up the reports about that, and then pass those on to our Compliance office who would take that info and tie it to some statute or statutes that applied to our agency, that is/are believed to have been violated, and then those folks handed it off to the agency's lawyers for final review, where they added the legalize where necessary, and THEN it got sent over ( " referral" ) to DOJ, using THEIR provided docket "template". At that point, it got assigned to someone at the local U.S. Attorney's office who would review and approve or ask for more if necessary, and once it was all good, they would file in court.

In the circumstance of what happened on January 6, 2021 - the responsible party was the U.S. Attorney for the District of Columbia, who has been handling the J6 cases because the "crimes" happened within their jurisdiction. The Attorney General is NOT micromanaging these cases and personally showing up in court to argue them. There are 115,000 employees in DOJ with multiple agencies - some of which have NOTHING to do with January 6.

I have posted this org chart over and over and it just doesn't seem burst the diamond bubble and sink in -



The U.S. Attorney General manages ALL of that, not just what DU wants them to manage. There are 93 U.S. Attorney Offices around the country and each of them had a 45-employee in there that had to be replaced. Even in 2024, a few are STILL not replaced. The fact that some of 45's crimes were found to have happened across multiple states meant the involvement of multiple U.S. Attorneys, and on and on, which is why it has even taken so long to still get many of the low-hanging fruit who burst into and trashed the U.S. Capitol because they reside in OTHER places outside of D.C., so those U.S. Attorneys where they live are responsible for investigating, finding, and arresting those individuals, and that even includes people like Gholiani and the Kraken crew - none of them living in D.C. As it was, 45 moved his residence to FL while he was still in office, which meant THAT U.S. Attorney had some input.

This is all the "missing info" regarding what is actually going on "behind the scenes", that people keep filling in with bullshit, and it makes DUers look like a bunch of idiots.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,193 posts)
15. Fair enough
Tue May 21, 2024, 01:36 AM
May 21

I can understand the amount of time it may take if it involves multiple federal and state departments. I am admittedly not familiar with the machinations of the AGs department.

Although I would assume though that Garland would be following closely a case involving the former POTUS, no matter how large his department. I may be talking more from a political angle. In that, would it have been better to declare war on Trumpism earlier? By publicly demanding, and then initiating it with subpoenas immediately after Jan 6th. IMO it would have galvanized Democrats and constitutional Independents.

BumRushDaShow

(130,983 posts)
16. One of the things that as a retired fed, that I have posted before
Tue May 21, 2024, 05:47 AM
May 21

is that IMHO, these Department and Agency heads are nothing more than figure-heads. I get pummeled for saying it but after serving under 6 Presidents, I have seen piles of them come and go. They are appointees who are expected to "manage" their assigned Department/Agency but they are not "permanent", and will be gone - either before a President's term is up, or once a President's term is up (unless a new administration re-nominates them for the job), and replaced by someone else.

DUers were heartened to finally see the cannabis rescheduling process take a big step forward when DEA submitted their Rule to get the process going - Justice Department Submits Proposed Regulation to Reschedule Marijuana.

Guess who was "in charge" of that?

DU's Devil incarnate (yes DEA is UNDER DOJ)!

With respect to January 6, you can't willy nilly do a Gymsuit Jordan and throw subpoenas around, guaranteeing a failure if you don't have a legitimate investigative path and probable cause. And with this happening upon transition to a new admiistration - and people might recall how 45 made sure his GSA head BLOCKED and DELAYED the transition, anyone in the nascent Biden administration had to deal with continued headwinds with hundreds of 45-appointees still in place needing to be removed and replaced, where the Actings can do some things but not others (legally).

We should be glad that Biden was basically "born and raised" in government and was ready (as much as could be) to start overturning the crap that 45 put in place, "on day one". BUT he still had to get his selected appointees confirmed with a newly-won Senate semi-controlled by Democrats because fucking Turtle BATTLED for that first month - January 2021 - to come up with an "agreement" with Schumer about who controlled what because the Senate then had a "tie" of representation.

However due to a Democratic President and Vice President, that meant that Democrats could "break the tie" and thus had control of the Senate, but it was a nightmare to get there, get the new Democratic party Chairs seated, and make sure the new Senate Rules were put in place.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,193 posts)
17. Thanks for your patience in explaining
Tue May 21, 2024, 06:08 PM
May 21

I am viewing from a laymans point of view. :Also from a political point of view.

It just seems that more could have been done to take advantage back when McConnell and Graham were shook after Jan 6th. In a political way, if not in a legal way. Before Trump got to them with whatever threats and or bribes he gave them to fall in line again.

Maybe things were going as swift as possible behind the scenes. but it was the political perception that registered with voters. And to just watch, in abhorance, as both of those sleazeballs reversed their opinions, and started kissing his fat ass again, Fox News followed to where it was back to business as usual......Democrats are all liars and it was just a peaceful tourist tour of the Capital Building.

I dunno, maybe there's no hope then. Its inevitable. I am steeling myself for living with a Fascist dictatorship of America. I wonder how many years it will take for enough of the American people to be able rise up against it. America is not in the position of Germany then in that there is no other huge wealthy democracy to stop them. In fact Trump will only get help with his new allies in Russia. I fear for European democracy to fall next. Or just run over by Putin with help from Trump. Could be a very scary world soon.

BumRushDaShow

(130,983 posts)
18. One of the things that I think the many lawyers who post on DU might say
Tue May 21, 2024, 06:52 PM
May 21

notably those who have done "prosecutions", is that they try to do what they do in order to "get a conviction". And to do that, you have to have a helluva lot "behind the scenes" work.

I got called for jury duty last month here in Philly and ended up on a criminal trial that was thankfully short (2 days). It was a case where the Assistant D.A. presented what was a weak case, where the physical evidence was incomplete - with follow-up testing not done and issues with chain of custody, etc., plus a theory regarding the defendant's guilt based on a circumstantial situation, and a wild leap to get the charges. As soon as the closing arguments were done and we went back to the jury room, we literally acquitted the guy in less than 5 minutes (and waited before notifying the court due to some of the jurors needing to go to the restroom).

We laugh about all the suits that 45 and his GOP loon AGs continually file and LOSE because most of it is frivolous. But we don't want our side to lose and that means it takes time to get as solid a case as one can. As it is, for the first time in years, DOJ managed to get the extremely rare conviction for a "Seditious Conspiracy" charge, not just once but multiple times.

I think we are unfortunately being "drowned" in a negative media narrative that gets parroted here, to the point where the propagandists have made people think that Biden didn't really win 2020 and thus he "won't win again".

That's how crazy it's gotten.

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