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demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
Thu Dec 7, 2023, 08:54 PM Dec 2023

First on CNN: Federal prosecutors file new criminal case against Hunter Biden

Source: CNN

(CNN) — Federal prosecutors have filed a new criminal case against Hunter Biden, people briefed on the matter said.

The exact nature of the charges couldn’t immediately be learned because court documents have not been made public.

Special counsel David Weiss, in recent weeks, has been using a federal grand jury in Los Angeles to gather testimony and evidence on possible criminal tax charges against President Joe Biden’s son.

Hunter Biden already faces criminal charges in Delaware related to a gun purchase.

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/07/politics/hunter-biden-criminal-case/index.html

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First on CNN: Federal prosecutors file new criminal case against Hunter Biden (Original Post) demmiblue Dec 2023 OP
It'll be a nothing burger. My opinion only. And besides, this has ZERO to do with President Joe Biden. n/t iluvtennis Dec 2023 #1
...which is why there's no reason not to prosecute Hunter Biden if there's evidence against him. brooklynite Dec 2023 #15
probably the same tax thing that was part of the plea deal that went sour Orangepeel Dec 2023 #2
Sounded like it with the PlutosHeart Dec 2023 #3
"What are the charges?" "Don't worry, we'll come up with something." Grokenstein Dec 2023 #4
But it's not the GOP Polybius Dec 2023 #5
My understand there is a Special Counsel, but Garland is probably letting it go forward to avoid claims of favoritism Kennah Dec 2023 #12
That would be....the Special Counsel that garland appointed? brooklynite Dec 2023 #16
I thought the TFG AG appointed him Kennah Dec 2023 #21
The actual weaponizing of the DOJ! SunSeeker Dec 2023 #6
OMG! PSPS Dec 2023 #7
I was all set to vote for Hugh Rodham in 2016 Kennah Dec 2023 #13
This is what actual political persecution looks like Bayard Dec 2023 #8
Even regular people. Captain Zero Dec 2023 #9
H. Biden paid the back taxes. maxsolomon Dec 2023 #10
While not often prosecuted, he wasn't the "1st person" MichMan Dec 2023 #14
Sure but pare that down to just question 21 f Shermann Dec 2023 #18
thanks, that was my point maxsolomon Dec 2023 #22
As someone else noted, if his name wasn't Biden, this would be over. ificandream Dec 2023 #11
The person who noted it was Biden's lawyer... brooklynite Dec 2023 #17
the gun charge wouldn't have been pursued. maxsolomon Dec 2023 #23
Trump's goons... CousinIT Dec 2023 #19
Funny how they indicted him for non-payment when he paid the back taxes and penalities.. Historic NY Dec 2023 #20

iluvtennis

(19,849 posts)
1. It'll be a nothing burger. My opinion only. And besides, this has ZERO to do with President Joe Biden. n/t
Thu Dec 7, 2023, 09:01 PM
Dec 2023

PlutosHeart

(1,274 posts)
3. Sounded like it with the
Thu Dec 7, 2023, 09:52 PM
Dec 2023

possible exception of misuse of business funds for personal use. Each year he missed paying was listed and I think one had false statements signed on a document.

Grokenstein

(5,722 posts)
4. "What are the charges?" "Don't worry, we'll come up with something."
Thu Dec 7, 2023, 10:24 PM
Dec 2023

Today's GOP: Smoke and mirrors, bread and circuses. Only without the bread.

Kennah

(14,256 posts)
12. My understand there is a Special Counsel, but Garland is probably letting it go forward to avoid claims of favoritism
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 03:45 PM
Dec 2023

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
6. The actual weaponizing of the DOJ!
Thu Dec 7, 2023, 10:32 PM
Dec 2023

Fucking disgusting overcharging by a special counsel who is putty to right wing pressure.

PSPS

(13,590 posts)
7. OMG!
Thu Dec 7, 2023, 11:31 PM
Dec 2023

That's the last straw. I won't be voting for Hunter Biden now!!111! I've decided to vote for Joe instead!
The same thing happened before when Billy Carter lost my vote!! Instead, I voted for Jimmy!

Kennah

(14,256 posts)
13. I was all set to vote for Hugh Rodham in 2016
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 03:47 PM
Dec 2023

But then he didn't do very well in early polling, so I voted for Hillary.

Bayard

(22,059 posts)
8. This is what actual political persecution looks like
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 01:35 PM
Dec 2023

How many regular citizens are treated like this if their name isn't Biden? When the wealthy are caught cheating on their taxes, they make a deal with the IRS and go on about their business.

Captain Zero

(6,801 posts)
9. Even regular people.
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 02:08 PM
Dec 2023

My guess is Hunter ignored A LOT OF COMMUNICATIONS TO HIM. If you get a letter, respond. Start working with them. In our case they suddenly wanted $7200. Worked with them a month or so over the phone. Explained how I had sent them $4400 that tax year and they sent it back saying I didn't owe? Finally settled for $5200. It wasn't that hard as long as we paid. Haha

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
10. H. Biden paid the back taxes.
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 03:03 PM
Dec 2023

Usually at that point, there aren't any follow up prosecutions. This time there is.

But we're talking about a man who is probably the 1st person ever prosecuted solely for falsely checking "no" on the Federal Firearms form 4773 question F, a box that millions of others have falsely checked off without a 2nd thought and nary a consequence.

The cruelty is the point.

MichMan

(11,910 posts)
14. While not often prosecuted, he wasn't the "1st person"
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 05:08 PM
Dec 2023
Lying on the form is a felony punishable by up to 10 years in prison. For being a user of unlawful drugs in possession of a firearm, the punishment is up to five years. The odds of being charged for lying on the form are virtually nonexistent. In the 2019 fiscal year, when Hunter Biden purchased his gun, federal prosecutors received 478 referrals for lying on Form 4473 — and filed just 298 cases. The numbers were roughly similar for fiscal 2020. At issue is when Biden answered “no” on the question that asks about unlawful drug use and addiction when purchasing a gun. Biden had been discharged five years earlier from the Navy Reserve for drug use and based on his 2021 memoir, he was actively using crack cocaine in the year he bought the gun.


[link:https://www.ncja.org/crimeandjusticenews/few-prosecutions-for-lying-on-atf-gun-purchase-form|

Shermann

(7,412 posts)
18. Sure but pare that down to just question 21 f
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 09:29 AM
Dec 2023

"Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance?"

That's a very different question in terms of constitutionality and provability from other questions which deal with things like felony convictions. So that form is a hodge podge of appropriate but also dubious questions.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
22. thanks, that was my point
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 01:05 PM
Dec 2023

lying on Question F is usually prosecuted as an add-on charge, and even then, quite rarely. I have never seen any reports, and cannot find anything online, referencing a prosecution solely for a false response to it. only in conjunction with another gun crime or drug crime.

he's been singled out, and it's a question that is falsely answered hundreds of times EVERY DAY in gun-crazy America.


maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
23. the gun charge wouldn't have been pursued.
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 01:08 PM
Dec 2023

I'd really enjoy seeing every gun owner who lies on question F prosecuted equally. the prisons would overflow.

CousinIT

(9,239 posts)
19. Trump's goons...
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 11:05 AM
Dec 2023
https://post.news/@/headdoc35/2ZGJN36hN76D0Efmf61nbCsLv5T

There’s a Republican who is very close to TFG named Roger Stone. He did worse than Hunter. Stone evaded paying $2 million in taxes. Guess what happened? He was allowed to settle and wasn’t criminally charged. Stone leads an extravagant lifestyle almost bankrupting himself. But, Stone practically skates free and goes on grifting.

Rudy owes $550k in unpaid taxes. He wasn’t dragged into court, criminally charged and threatened with jail time. The IRS placed a lien on his home. Rudy lost a great deal of his estimated $100 million fortune due to extravagant spending, legal bills, and 2 divorces. Rudy practically skates free, and goes on begging for money.

Weiss was appointed by TFG. And this case has TFG’s allies all over it: Bill Barr, Rosen, and Donoghue.

The only thing Hunter is guilty of is being a Democrat, and the son of our President.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
20. Funny how they indicted him for non-payment when he paid the back taxes and penalities..
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 11:51 AM
Dec 2023

perhaps the IRS should return the money.

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