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Wed Nov 15, 2023, 06:25 PM Nov 2023

Iran tells Hamas it will not enter the war with Israel

Source: Yahoo (The Telegraph)

Iran’s supreme leader told the head of Hamas in a face-to-face meeting in Tehran that his country would not enter the war with Israel and accused the terror group of not giving any prior warning of the Oct 7 attacks.

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told Ismail Haniyeh that Iran – a longtime backer of Hamas – would continue to lend the group its political and moral support, but would not intervene directly, according to three Iranian and Hamas officials with knowledge of the discussions who asked to remain anonymous. The supreme leader pressed Haniyeh to silence those voices in the Palestinian group publicly calling for Iran and its powerful Lebanese ally Hezbollah to join the battle against Israel in full force, a Hamas official told Reuters.

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The conflict is also testing the limits of the regional coalition whose members – which include the Syrian government, Hezbollah, Hamas and other militant groups from Iraq to Yemen – have differing priorities and domestic challenges.. On Oct 7, Mohammed Deif, Hamas’s military commander, called on its axis allies to join the struggle. “Our brothers in the Islamic resistance in Lebanon, Iran, Yemen, Iraq and Syria, this is the day when your resistance unites with your people in Palestine,” he said in an audio message.

Hints of frustration surfaced in subsequent public statements by Hamas leaders including Khaled Meshaal, who in an Oct 16 TV interview thanked Hezbollah for its actions thus far but said “the battle requires more” . Nonetheless, alliance leader Iran will not directly intervene in the conflict unless it is itself attacked by Israel or the US, according to six officials with direct knowledge of Tehran’s thinking who declined to be named due to the sensitive nature of the matter.



Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/news/iran-tells-hamas-not-enter-190351808.html

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Iran tells Hamas it will not enter the war with Israel (Original Post) question everything Nov 2023 OP
the true axis of evil lapfog_1 Nov 2023 #1
Interesting. Maybe Iran is not willing to gamble their leadership's lives on such a declaration. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2023 #2
So far most aren't. Perhaps Hamas made a significant blunder with their October 7 attack? JohnSJ Nov 2023 #3
Hamas thought it could be the spark, and it was to a degree, but not as far or way it hoped. dutch777 Nov 2023 #6
A few targeted hits on Iran's Revolutionary Guard,,,,and let the people of Iran take care of the rest. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2023 #7
I wish that were true, but don't think Iranians have that in them. We can hurt the IRG but clergy has huge hold... dutch777 Nov 2023 #8
I'd target these folks as well. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2023 #9
Reinstalling the Shah is another option Polybius Nov 2023 #15
Iran has a single point of failure in their oil exporting EX500rider Nov 2023 #12
Bet the Biden Administration, possibly via the State Dept/Blinken, had something to do with Iran's decision. Freethinker65 Nov 2023 #4
Emailed pics of targets that the US has collected without Iranian air defenses being alerted Kennah Nov 2023 #10
US Navy ships, air craft carriers, and subs in the area can be very persuasive IronLionZion Nov 2023 #19
I think, not positive, Sal_NV Nov 2023 #20
Probably, and their fleet is old IronLionZion Nov 2023 #22
Well that's good news. Hezbollah seems to be holding off as well. Lonestarblue Nov 2023 #5
But hey, Iran still flies the F-14 Kennah Nov 2023 #11
OwlKitty is a better pilot than Maverick ArkansasDemocrat1 Nov 2023 #16
They've already entered.... Maxheader Nov 2023 #13
Oh Oh... that can't be good!!!.... William Gustafson Nov 2023 #14
I think that after watching the IDF in action, along with 2 US Carrier Strike Groups, Sal_NV Nov 2023 #17
Iran seems to enjoy poking other countries through their proxies IronLionZion Nov 2023 #18
Iran does not have the support of most of the population JI7 Nov 2023 #21

OAITW r.2.0

(24,455 posts)
2. Interesting. Maybe Iran is not willing to gamble their leadership's lives on such a declaration.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 06:31 PM
Nov 2023

You're on your own, Hamas.

dutch777

(3,013 posts)
6. Hamas thought it could be the spark, and it was to a degree, but not as far or way it hoped.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 07:04 PM
Nov 2023

Iran knows if the US and Israel, with tacit approval of Saudis, Egyptians and others, gets in a full on shooting war with them, Iran will be back in the dark ages with its ports, power plants and a lot of other key infrastructure shattered. And they have no substantive resources to rebuild, they can barely maintain and run what they have. They do seem to still be able to get their proxies to snipe at US forces and bases in Iraq and Syria. I suppose oil flow is a concern but can't help thinking that regime change in Iran is getting to be an ever increasing temptation to some despite short term pain. Sad to say, but I bet if Biden dropped the hammer on Iran and said "enough!", his re-election might be assured. I know he is a cooler head and not that kind of politician. Suspect if the same opportunity had presented itself with Trump in same situation, he would go for it.

OAITW r.2.0

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7. A few targeted hits on Iran's Revolutionary Guard,,,,and let the people of Iran take care of the rest.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 07:25 PM
Nov 2023

They are sick of living under an Islamic Theocracy.

dutch777

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8. I wish that were true, but don't think Iranians have that in them. We can hurt the IRG but clergy has huge hold...
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 07:32 PM
Nov 2023

...on the hearts and minds. That is a bent we don't all fully grasp but I think it is why we, a Saudi led coalition or anyone else has not attempted something substantive.

EX500rider

(10,839 posts)
12. Iran has a single point of failure in their oil exporting
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 09:02 PM
Nov 2023

98% of Iran’s oil exports flow through the one port of Karg Island.
Iran’s other oil ports lack even 10% of Karg Island’s capacity.
Two American cruise missile submarines, carrying 154 non-nuclear Tomahawk cruise missiles each, could completely knock out Karg Island for months, and its production could not be significantly restored in a year. I.e., Iran’s oil income would pretty much cease

Sal_NV

(603 posts)
20. I think, not positive,
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 01:47 AM
Nov 2023

but I think that just one US carrier Air Wing is bigger than the entire Iranian AF.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
22. Probably, and their fleet is old
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:55 AM
Nov 2023

they still have some American planes that Reagan gave them 40 years ago.

Lonestarblue

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5. Well that's good news. Hezbollah seems to be holding off as well.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 06:46 PM
Nov 2023

This war just needs to end now. Too many innocents are dying.

Kennah

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11. But hey, Iran still flies the F-14
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:33 PM
Nov 2023

And if Maverick and Rooster can shoot down Gen 5 fighter jets in an old F-14, so can the Iranian Air Force.

Sal_NV

(603 posts)
17. I think that after watching the IDF in action, along with 2 US Carrier Strike Groups,
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 12:57 AM
Nov 2023

they thought it better not to jump in.
They thought wisely.

IronLionZion

(45,427 posts)
18. Iran seems to enjoy poking other countries through their proxies
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 01:26 AM
Nov 2023

they are present in Iraq and Lebanon and sell weapons to Russia and the Houthis in Yemen. Their support to Hamas and Hezbollah seems purely to spite Israel. As if they have nothing better to do. Ironically, the Shah had friendly relations with Israel and US during his reign.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
21. Iran does not have the support of most of the population
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 04:50 AM
Nov 2023

they are actually siding with Israel over their islamic Govt.

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