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Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:58 PM Nov 2012

Deaths reported after train crashes into trailer during Texas veterans parade

Source: Fox

DEVELOPING -- Multiple deaths and dozens of injuries were reported after a train crashed into a trailer carrying veterans during a parade in Texas.

At least four deaths have been reported and at least 17 people were injured, 10 of them critically.

A flatbed 18-wheeler truck was reportedly carrying 24 veterans and their spouses for the "Hunt for Heroes" parade in Midland when it was hit by a train.

--snip--

He says there are "multiple, multiple" injuries and organizers still are trying to account for everyone.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/11/15/train-reportedly-crashes-into-trailer-during-texas-veterans-parade/




(image from story at link)

More at the link as the story unfolds. What a nightmare!

PB
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Deaths reported after train crashes into trailer during Texas veterans parade (Original Post) Poll_Blind Nov 2012 OP
There are gates there -- WTF? Brickbat Nov 2012 #1
How horrible. Can't even think how this might have happened. efhmc Nov 2012 #2
You can see for miles in Midland. DollarBillHines Nov 2012 #3
The gates, the lights working, defacto7 Nov 2012 #4
I am guessing the gate closed after the truck already moved into the tracks. LisaL Nov 2012 #8
I read that in the comments on one news article--that the second TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #9
That makes more sense defacto7 Nov 2012 #11
I still don't quite understand how this happened. Ash_F Nov 2012 #14
If there was a line of traffic JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2012 #21
Kind of makes sense but he could have cut the wheel hard and gone off the road. Ash_F Nov 2012 #23
exactly, or push the fucking cars in front of you, you just don't sit there.. snooper2 Nov 2012 #29
Considering all the people were sitting in chairs on truck bed, pushing the cars in front LisaL Nov 2012 #31
we can break this down pretty easily, get hit by a big ass train- snooper2 Nov 2012 #32
Unless we can invent a time machine, it's a pretty pointless argument. LisaL Nov 2012 #33
I have no clue how he could have gone of the road. LisaL Nov 2012 #30
Yes, the train has the right of way. ManiacJoe Nov 2012 #40
After seeing some new pictures of the scene.... Ash_F Nov 2012 #41
It was in the middle of a parade - there was no room to turn out jberryhill Nov 2012 #26
I don't quite get this story yet...What were 24 veterans doing already aboard a trailer if they were silvershadow Nov 2012 #5
From what I read, these were "wounded warriors" and so their mobility may have been... Poll_Blind Nov 2012 #7
How the HELL do you not see a giant intermodal train TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #6
It was in the middle of a slow moving parade jberryhill Nov 2012 #27
Most likely caused by Texas-sized idiocy jsr Nov 2012 #10
please - there's a time for that and it surely is not here Skittles Nov 2012 #12
Not funny MisterScruffles Nov 2012 #13
-1,000 AngryOldDem Nov 2012 #16
Don't worry RandiFan1290 Nov 2012 #17
No, we wouldn't. kentauros Nov 2012 #36
Was waiting for it and you came through with the usual efhmc Nov 2012 #18
Disgusting. cordelia Nov 2012 #19
Feel Better, Now? Paladin Nov 2012 #20
Pure tragedy. truthisfreedom Nov 2012 #15
Awful for everyone involved Aerows Nov 2012 #22
Huffingotn Post report with more pictures happyslug Nov 2012 #24
Looks like they were almost clear Ash_F Nov 2012 #25
That organizer is gonna get sued for his next four lifetimes.... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #28
Had they called Union Pacific beforehand, the engineer and conductor TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #34
Even before that... Blue_Tires Nov 2012 #37
Yeah, really...what could go wrong with tying down TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #38
Thinking of the train crew today. Brickbat Nov 2012 #35
Yes--I know they are probably traumatized and TwilightGardener Nov 2012 #39

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
4. The gates, the lights working,
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:10 AM
Nov 2012

the train horn blowing, the truck still going through.... something is missing here.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
9. I read that in the comments on one news article--that the second
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:46 AM
Nov 2012

parade float was stopped on the tracks by traffic in front of it and then the train approached and the gate arms came down on them. I feel bad for the vets, but also for the train crew. The truck driver screwed the pooch and killed his passengers.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
11. That makes more sense
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 02:47 AM
Nov 2012

but that would make it the truck drivers fault. You are not supposed to enter a train crossing with a truck until all possible obstructions have moved. In other words, you have to see what's going on ahead and know you can cross unhindered before getting anywhere near the tracks.

It's such a terrible accident.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
14. I still don't quite understand how this happened.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 05:13 AM
Nov 2012

Even if the arms came down, how could they stop the truck from getting out of the way? I have seen a vehicle hit one of those gate arms before. They snapped right off.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,339 posts)
21. If there was a line of traffic
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 08:56 AM
Nov 2012

Maybe the truck driver couldn't go forward or back up because of traffic. It's still the truck driver's fault, should have made sure he could clear the tracks before venturing into the intersection.

But I'm sure he knows that.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
23. Kind of makes sense but he could have cut the wheel hard and gone off the road.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:51 AM
Nov 2012

They were about to get hit by a train, who cares about staying on the road? The area looks relatively flat from the picture so I doubt it would have been obstructed. Maybe he didn't think of it in the heat of the moment

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
29. exactly, or push the fucking cars in front of you, you just don't sit there..
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:18 AM
Nov 2012

One stupid human in control of something he/she shouldn't have been.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
31. Considering all the people were sitting in chairs on truck bed, pushing the cars in front
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:27 AM
Nov 2012

sure as hell doesn't sound safe either. In addition, I believe it was another similar size truck in front of him, not cars.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
32. we can break this down pretty easily, get hit by a big ass train-
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:40 AM
Nov 2012

Do anything else-

Here is what you can do with a semi when you aren't worried about scratching the paint-

Start at 1:40 in video-

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LisaL

(44,973 posts)
33. Unless we can invent a time machine, it's a pretty pointless argument.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:49 AM
Nov 2012

And considering there were people sitting on truck bed, a truck pushing a truck in front of him could still have resulted in injuries.
From the standpoint of traffic rules, you shouldn't move into the railroad tracks until you have enough room to safely cross them.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
30. I have no clue how he could have gone of the road.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 11:25 AM
Nov 2012

Presumably he shouldn't have been attempting to cross the tracks until the way was clear.
I guess we have to see what investigation shows, but presumably train has the right of way.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
41. After seeing some new pictures of the scene....
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 09:07 PM
Nov 2012

It looks like the train just barely tagged the back end of the trailer so they were almost clear. I was just trying to figure out what the driver was thinking. I guess he thought that he had pulled forward far enough. But almost wasn't good enough and we had this tragedy.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
26. It was in the middle of a parade - there was no room to turn out
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:45 AM
Nov 2012

Someone planned a parade route over a grade crossing.
 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
5. I don't quite get this story yet...What were 24 veterans doing already aboard a trailer if they were
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:11 AM
Nov 2012

not on the parade route? Surely a parade route would NOT cross a RR track. Why didn't the veterans board the parade vehicle at the starting point? Oy, my head hurts.

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
7. From what I read, these were "wounded warriors" and so their mobility may have been...
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:55 AM
Nov 2012

...severely limited. In other words, it may have been easier to get them onto the float at the original location. Also, I believe this was a real small-town kinda thing and I think what may have happened is that they all climbed aboard and kind of rolled through some areas as-is before the proper parade started.

Those are just some things I'm putting together. Don't know if I'm putting them together correctly, though.

PB

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
6. How the HELL do you not see a giant intermodal train
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:45 AM
Nov 2012

in flat treeless daylight-sunny Midland, Texas bearing down on you? Blowing its horn, ringing a bell, no less. Teh stoopid.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
27. It was in the middle of a slow moving parade
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:47 AM
Nov 2012

Everyone saw the train. The driver was blowing the horn to get the vehicle in front of it to move.

RandiFan1290

(6,232 posts)
17. Don't worry
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 07:16 AM
Nov 2012

Most here are overly sensitive about Texas. If this was a Florida story they would be laughing with you.

truthisfreedom

(23,146 posts)
15. Pure tragedy.
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 06:40 AM
Nov 2012

I'm sure the driver will face horrific charges, but the entire story is pure tragedy. RIP to those who died, best of luck to those injured and my wishes for a speedy recovery, and thanks to all for your sacrifice to our country. And on behalf of my less sensitive DU associates, I apologize. Fall in line, DUers. This is nothing to make fun of.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
25. Looks like they were almost clear
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:33 AM
Nov 2012

...and the train caught the end of the trailer causing it to fold to the left and probably crushing people who had just dismounted. Maybe the driver thought he was clear?

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
28. That organizer is gonna get sued for his next four lifetimes....
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 10:58 AM
Nov 2012

Absolutely NOTHING looks safe about that seating arrangement at all, even if moving at "parade idle" speeds...

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And if the itinerary meant they had to cross train tracks, then it is up to the organizer/driver to plan ahead and at least get the timetable of expected crossings...

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
34. Had they called Union Pacific beforehand, the engineer and conductor
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 12:41 PM
Nov 2012

would have gone at a restricted speed thru the area and would have at least had a heads-up.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
37. Even before that...
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:29 PM
Nov 2012

Just setting people on a flatbed to get pulled by that big-assed rig? IMO it's negligent to put able-bodied people on there, but the disabled(!?)

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
38. Yeah, really...what could go wrong with tying down
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:54 PM
Nov 2012

a bunch of dining-room chairs to a flatbed trailer and hauling amputees and the wheelchair-bound around town and over active railroad tracks?

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
39. Yes--I know they are probably traumatized and
Fri Nov 16, 2012, 01:58 PM
Nov 2012

must feel awful--in fact, many train crew members are veterans, themselves. Railroads are one of the biggest employers of former military.

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