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BumRushDaShow

(130,113 posts)
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 07:22 AM Jan 2023

FAA systems restored after outage that halted all domestic flight departures in the U.S.

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Source: NBC News

Flights across the United States were brought to a standstill Wednesday morning after the Federal Aviation Administration suffered a computer outage, forcing it to halt all departures nationwide while it worked to resolve the issue.The FAA announced that the ground stop had been lifted at around 8:50 a.m. and that normal air traffic operations were resuming gradually while it continued to look into the cause of the problem.

But delays and cancellations had already spread across the country after the agency said its Notice to Air Missions, or NOTAM, system had "failed." More than 4,500 flights within, to and out of the U.S. were delayed as of around 9:30 a.m. Wednesday, according to the online flight tracker FlightAware. More than 1,500 of those flights were with Southwest Airlines, according to the flight tracker. More than 900 flights were listed as canceled.

The FAA had said in a tweet just before 7:20 a.m. that it was ordering airlines to pause all domestic departures until 9 a.m. ET “to allow the agency to validate the integrity of flight and safety information" as it worked to restore the NOTAM system. In subsequent updates, it said that all flights in the sky were safe to land. “Pilots check the NOTAM system before they fly. A Notice to Air Missions alerts pilots about closed runways, equipment outages, and other potential hazards along a flight route or at a location that could affect the flight,” the FAA said.

White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said in a tweet that there was "no evidence of a cyberattack at this point," and added that President Joe Biden had directed the Department of Transportation to conduct a full investigation into the causes. She added: “The FAA will provide regular updates.”

Read more: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-flights-grounded-faa-outage-rcna65243






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Cleared Update No. 2 for all stakeholders:

The FAA is still working to fully restore the Notice to Air Missions system following an outage.

While some functions are beginning to come back on line, National Airspace System operations remain limited.
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Update 3: The FAA is still working to fully restore the Notice to Air Missions system following an outage.

The FAA has ordered airlines to pause all domestic departures until 9 a.m. Eastern Time to allow the agency to validate the integrity of flight and safety information.
7:19 AM · Jan 11, 2023


Article updated.

Previous headline/articles -

Major FAA outage halts all domestic flight departures in the U.S.

Departing flights across the United States were grounded Wednesday morning after the Federal Aviation Administration said it had experienced a computer outage. The FAA said that it had ordered all airlines to pause domestic departures until 9 a.m. ET. At around 8:50 a.m., it announced that the ground stop had been lifted and that normal air traffic operations were resuming gradually across the country. "The agency continues to look into the cause of the initial problem," it said.

More than 4,000 flights within, to and out of the U.S. were delayed as of around 9 a.m. Wednesday, according to the online flight tracker FlightAware. More than 700 flights were listed as canceled. The FAA said earlier on its website that its Notice to Air Missions(NOTAM) system had "failed." NOTAM contains information essential to workers involved in flight operations. "Operations across the National Airspace System are affected," the agency said in a statement. In an update posted to Twitter just before 7:20 a.m., the FAA said it was ordering airlines to pause all domestic departures until 9 a.m. ET "to allow the agency to validate the integrity of flight and safety information."

It said it was still working to fully restore the NOTAM system. In subsequent updates, it said that all flights in the sky were safe to land and that departures had resumed in some places "due to air traffic congestion." "Pilots check the NOTAM system before they fly. A Notice to Air Missions alerts pilots about closed runways, equipment outages, and other potential hazards along a flight route or at a location that could affect the flight," the agency said.

White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said in a tweet that there was "no evidence of a cyberattack at this point," and added that President Joe Biden had directed the Department of Transportation to conduct a full investigation into the causes. She added: "The FAA will provide regular updates."


Departing flights across the United States were grounded Wednesday morning after the Federal Aviation Administration said it had experienced a computer outage. The FAA said later Wednesday morning it had ordered all airlines to pause domestic departures until 9 a.m. ET.

More than 3,500 flights within, to and out of the U.S. were delayed as of around 8 a.m. Wednesday, according to the online flight tracker FlightAware. Nearly 500 flights were listed as canceled. The FAA said on its website that its Notice to Air Missions(NOTAM) system had "failed." NOTAM contains information essential to workers involved in flight operations. "Operations across the National Airspace System are affected," the agency said in a statement.

In an update posted to Twitter just before 7:20 a.m., the FAA said it was ordering airlines to pause all domestic departures until 9 a.m. ET "to allow the agency to validate the integrity of flight and safety information." It said it was still working to fully restore the NOTAM system. In a subsequent update, it said that all flights in the sky were safe to land. "Pilots check the NOTAM system before they fly. A Notice to Air Missions alerts pilots about closed runways, equipment outages, and other potential hazards along a flight route or at a location that could affect the flight."

White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said in a tweet that there was "no evidence of a cyberattack at this point," and added that President Joe Biden had directed the Department of Transportation to conduct a full investigation into the causes." She added: "The FAA will provide regular updates."


Flights across the U.S. grounded after FAA experiences computer outage

Flights across the United States were grounded Wednesday morning after the Federal Aviation Administration said it experienced a computer outage. All flights in the U.S. were grounded following the incident, a source with knowledge of the situation told NBC News. The FAA said later Wednesday morning it had ordered all airlines to pause domestic departures until 9 a.m. ET.

More than 2,500 flights within, into and out of the U.S. were delayed as of around 8 a.m. Wednesday morning, according to online flight tracker FlightAware. Nearly 150 flights were listed as cancelled. The FAA had said in a notice on its website that its Notice to Air Missions(NOTAM) system had "failed." A NOTAM is a notice containing information essential to workers involved in flight operations.

"Operations across the National Airspace System are affected," the FAA said in a statement. In an update posted to Twitter just before 7:20 a.m., the FAA said it had ordered airlines to pause all domestic departures until 9 a.m. ET "to allow the agency to validate the integrity of flight and safety information." It said it was still working to fully restore the NOTAM system following the outage.

President Joe Biden was briefed on the situation Wednesday morning,White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said in a tweet. "There is no evidence of a cyberattack at this point, but the President directed (the Department of Transportation) to conduct a full investigation into the causes," she said, adding: "The FAA will provide regular updates."


Flights across U.S. affected after FAA experiences computer outage

Flights across the United States were affected Wednesday morning after the Federal Aviation Administration said it experienced a computer outage. All flights in the U.S. were grounded following the incident, a source with knowledge of the situation told NBC News.

The FAA said in a notice on its website that its Notice to Air Missions(NOTAM) system had "failed" Wednesday morning. A NOTAM is a notice containing information essential to workers involved in flight operations. "Technicians are currently working to restore the system and there is no estimate for restoration of service at this time," it said.

About 760 flights within, into and out of the U.S. were delayed as of around 6:30 a.m. Wednesday morning, according to online flight tracker FlightAware. Around 90 flights were listed as cancelled.

"Operations across the National Airspace System are affected," the FAA said in a statement. "The FAA is working to restore its Notice to Air Missions System. We are performing final validation checks and repopulating the system now," it said. "We will provide frequent updates as we make progress," it said.


Original article -

Flights across the United States were affected Wednesday morning after the Federal Aviation Administration said it experienced a computer outage. All flights in the U.S. were grounded following the incident, a source with knowledge of the situation told NBC News.

The FAA said in a notice on its website that its Notice to Air Missions(NOTAM) system had "failed" Wednesday morning. A NOTAM is a notice containing information essential to workers involved in flight operations.

"Technicians are currently working to restore the system and there is no estimate for restoration of service at this time," it said. "Operations across the National Airspace System are affected," the FAA said in a statement to NBC News.

"The FAA is working to restore its Notice to Air Missions System. We are performing final validation checks and repopulating the system now," it said. "We will provide frequent updates as we make progress," it said.

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FAA systems restored after outage that halted all domestic flight departures in the U.S. (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 OP
Hacked? ananda Jan 2023 #1
Thanks for the link nitpicked Jan 2023 #2
Other sources are starting to do their breaking news about it now BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #4
From Flight aware: nitpicked Jan 2023 #3
Welcome to DU KS Toronado Jan 2023 #12
Hacked? SheltieLover Jan 2023 #5
More likely antiquated spinbaby Jan 2023 #8
Not that we should reinstate the wealth tax! SheltieLover Jan 2023 #9
Lol. wealth tax ananda Jan 2023 #18
Possible, but there's all sorts of other possibilities Major Nikon Jan 2023 #11
First class, first-world infrastructure ... sanatanadharma Jan 2023 #6
The pootinization of America SheltieLover Jan 2023 #10
We flew before we had computers. Why dont we have a backup in place for this? oldsoftie Jan 2023 #7
Number of U.S. flights teach1st Jan 2023 #13
hop in your model T and drive across the country then. uncle ray Jan 2023 #14
Yeah, sure. Its a long way from Model Ts to computer controlled everything. oldsoftie Jan 2023 #16
Who is going to make those calls and answer the phone? nt Phoenix61 Jan 2023 #17
Actually computers were being used for certain operations since the '50s BumRushDaShow Jan 2023 #15
Our systems are antiques. The Jungle 1 Jan 2023 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author The Jungle 1 Jan 2023 #20
Since Raygun fired the traffic control workers and killed the union Farmer-Rick Jan 2023 #21
Computers were used in the flying in the 70s LeftInTX Jan 2023 #23
Get ready for the GOP to politicize this.... Chakaconcarne Jan 2023 #22

BumRushDaShow

(130,113 posts)
4. Other sources are starting to do their breaking news about it now
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 07:39 AM
Jan 2023

I got one from ABC not long ago -

Computer failure at FAA could impact flights nationwide

The affected system sends flight hazards and real time restrictions to pilots.
By Sam Sweeney and Jon Haworth
January 11, 2023, 6:02 AM

A computer failure at the FAA has the potential to impact flights nationwide, including a possible nationwide grounding, ABC News has learned.

The affected system is responsible for sending out flight hazards and real time restrictions to pilots known as NOTAM (Notice to Air Missions).

"THE FAA is experiencing an outage that is impacting the update of NOTAMS. All flights are unable to be released at this time," the FAA said in a statement announcing the problem.

American Airlines told ABC News that it has only meant delays for their flights for the moment.

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https://abcnews.go.com/US/computer-failure-faa-impact-flights-nationwide/story?id=96358202

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
5. Hacked?
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 07:57 AM
Jan 2023

Guessing so, as surely back up systems are in place for machine failures.

Does this affect military aircraft? Scary situation, depending on what's going on.

Ty for sharing!

spinbaby

(15,095 posts)
8. More likely antiquated
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:07 AM
Jan 2023

All our transportation systems are antiquated and underfunded. Thanks Republicans.

Major Nikon

(36,828 posts)
11. Possible, but there's all sorts of other possibilities
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:33 AM
Jan 2023

A “computer issue” could mean lots of things besides the actual computer itself. There’s vast infrastructure that would support such a system. It could be HVAC, electrical power, or any part of the telecommunications infrastructure that supports it. It could be a software issue associated with an update that required multiple components to be updated simultaneously making fallback time consuming.

sanatanadharma

(3,761 posts)
6. First class, first-world infrastructure ...
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 07:59 AM
Jan 2023

... is not a 'once and forget' it reality. The greatness of the USA was based upon investing in the common good, a concept denied by conservative ethics. The money saved by not spending on upkeep and new, whether private or government, is purchasing a second-world lifestyle of fallen bridges, gravel roads, delayed deliveries, empty shelves, fewer firemen, poorer policing of the poor only, and ultimately no place to run for the few folk who've f#cked the world over.

oldsoftie

(12,678 posts)
7. We flew before we had computers. Why dont we have a backup in place for this?
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:05 AM
Jan 2023

Just like so many other things now run by computers; water systems, electrical, etc. We had these systems long before computers ran them. When there's a computer issue, we need to be able to go BACK to the "old way" until things are fixed
Just like aircraft; no passenger plane should be built without having fly-by-wire systems in case the computer systems go down

teach1st

(5,937 posts)
13. Number of U.S. flights
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:40 AM
Jan 2023

I don't really know the answer to your question, but there were far less flights back in the "old way" days. In 1980, for example, there were 600 million domestic flights. In 2019 (pre-Covid), there were 2.7 billion domestic flights. I didn't look for numbers of flights pre-computerization, but it seems possible that the increase in air traffic would make going back to the old days quite difficult.

As far as I can tell after a brief search, FAA computerization began around 1970 and was upgraded in the 1990s.

https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/charts/world-air-passenger-traffic-evolution-1980-2020
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/GAOREPORTS-T-RCED-AIMD-98-85/html/GAOREPORTS-T-RCED-AIMD-98-85.htm

uncle ray

(3,157 posts)
14. hop in your model T and drive across the country then.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 08:47 AM
Jan 2023

there's your backup.

having thousands of people on standby with slide rules in had hardly seems like a reasonable backup plan.

oldsoftie

(12,678 posts)
16. Yeah, sure. Its a long way from Model Ts to computer controlled everything.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 09:50 AM
Jan 2023

They could have a way to communicate with flights without having thousands of people on standby. Its a communication problem not a staffing problem

BumRushDaShow

(130,113 posts)
15. Actually computers were being used for certain operations since the '50s
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 09:08 AM
Jan 2023

notably in the government and military (my dad was a computer programmer for the VA in the '50s - '70s).

What was used in transportation was regular (mostly audio) radio-telephone communications. What is somewhat "new" (again outside of the government/military that had ARPANET) was use of the internet to do those comms vs using a radio set.

 

The Jungle 1

(4,552 posts)
19. Our systems are antiques.
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:02 AM
Jan 2023

The U.S. air traffic system is the world’s largest, but technologically it lags behind other countries that have implemented digital messaging, GPS flight tracking and newer alternatives to the 1960s-era systems still found in U.S. air traffic facilities.

Response to oldsoftie (Reply #7)

Farmer-Rick

(10,242 posts)
21. Since Raygun fired the traffic control workers and killed the union
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 10:37 AM
Jan 2023

I doubt we have enough workers to take over the what computers do on a daily basis.

But yeah, some kind of back up system is a good idea.

LeftInTX

(25,819 posts)
23. Computers were used in the flying in the 70s
Wed Jan 11, 2023, 03:29 PM
Jan 2023

Schedules, bookings, departures etc...
All on computers

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