Putin says Russia wants end to war in Ukraine

[TomCADem]

Source: Reuters

Dec 22 (Reuters) - President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday that Russia wants an end to the war in Ukraine and that this would inevitably involve a diplomatic solution.

Putin made the comments a day after U.S. President Joe Biden hosted Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy in the White House and promised him continued and unwavering U.S. support.

"Our goal is not to spin the flywheel of military conflict, but, on the contrary, to end this war," Putin said. "We will strive for an end to this, and the sooner the better, of course."

White House spokesman John Kirby said Putin has "shown absolutely zero indication that he's willing to negotiate" an end to the war, which began when Moscow sent troops into Ukraine on Feb. 24.

Read more: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-ru

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Of course, the question is whether this is just a precursor to another Russian draft, since Putin is a peace through victory and violence kind of guy.

[Walleye]

1. Did he call it a war? He was putting people in prison for that

Of course all wars end with diplomatic solutions. But I think the conditions for this one to end are pretty plain. Russia go home

[DetlefK]

6. There is a double-standard in russia: You are only allowed to call it a war if you are pro-war.

You can call it a war and call for mass-murder of ukrainian civilians live on russian TV and you will get away with it.

Call it a war while protesting against the war and you get arrested for calling it a war.

[Walleye]

7. OK now I get it, I think you have to be raised in the Soviet system to understand this stuff

[Irish_Dem]

11. There was no diplomacy when the Allies took Berlin and ended the war.

[Walleye]

13. True, total destruction is an exception. If we could just get Putin to make a run for it

[Irish_Dem]

14. Putin has been going the route of total destruction of Ukraine.

In hopes they will surrender.

I think that is what he means by "negotiation."

US spends $Trillions for its military and we cannot stop one psychopath brutal murderer from
destroying an entire people and country.

Yes I wish there was a way to make Putin run away.

[Walleye]

15. Sad but true Ukraine is being totally destroyed, but I think it's Russia that's gonna lose

[Irish_Dem]

18. Yes Russia is losing a lot, and will continue to do so.

Ukraine may win in the end, but their country is destroyed, citizens murdered, raped, tortured.

The real winners will be the US, NATO and Europe.
For a small price, Ukraine has strengthened them and damaged Russia.

Ukraine has paid the highest price of all.

[Mysterian]

22. Some cities are destroyed, not the entire country

The country of Ukraine will not be destroyed.

The few cities Russia has seized were taken with brute force artillery devastation. Most of Ukraine remains unscathed.

[Irish_Dem]

23. That is good to hear.

Most reports emphasize the destruction.

But Ukraine has suffered a great deal of damage anyway you slice it.
They will have paid a big price.

The point I am making is that Ukraine is taking the hit to strengthen the US and NATO.
And weaken Russia.

[Mysterian]

24. Ukraine is taking the hit to save their fucking country

Putin has made no secret of his desire to wipe out Ukraine and erase the memory of it.

[Irish_Dem]

26. Zelensky himself said that they are fighting for all democracies.

Yes of course they are fighting to save their own country.

But NATO and the US are getting a very big benefit as well.

[speak easy]

32. The Soviets took Berlin, block by block,

and rape by rape. They got to the Führer bunker, and ended the war.

[onetexan]

37. Indeed, its an investment, not charity as Ze has said so perfectly

"Give us the tools, we will do the fighting" Churchill.

[homegirl]

47. Seems the only item left to

discuss will be Russian reconstruction payments to Ukraine. The USSR demanded and received reconstruction payments from Finland after WW2.

[SheltieLover]

2. More bs!

Unprovoked attack on neighbor & systemuc genocide!

All ruskies have to do is gtf out of entire country of Ukraine!

[ancianita]

3. Yeah. He's getting ready to "strive" to bomb it all, declare victory, then claim the war as over.

That's what zero indication to negotiate means.

[republianmushroom]

4. Putin is lying, if he wants to end the war remove your troops and go home.

It is that easy. Liar.

[Irish_Dem]

12. Of course he is lying.

[NullTuples]

5. If he really means it he can leave Ukraine. It's just that simple. He's the aggressor, not them.

Does he really not get that this is a one-sided case of blame?

[Beachnutt]

10. He is going to want a guarantee that

he nor his cohorts will face jail time and safety of him and family and keep all his money.
Thats what he will negotiate when his ass is kicked and at a stalemate.

[NullTuples]

25. "I damaged your country, but no hard feelings, right?"

[SouthernDem4ever]

51. He acts as if he was provoked into war

He's even more like trump than I thought.

[Old Crank]

8. Is there a better link

the one int he story fails.

Here is the whole link

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-russia-wants-end-war-all-conflicts-end-with-diplomacy-2022-12-22/

[OhioTim]

9. Yea, After He

pays $1 trillion to repair damages and agrees to appear in Ukraine to face charges as a war criminal.

[Javaman]

16. dear mr putin...

go piss up a tree

sincerely,
no more fucks to give.

[keopeli]

17. "I started a war that I'd like to end as soon as I get some concessions." Not fooling anyone.

[ZonkerHarris]

19. Putin means "win" when he says "end"

[Joinfortmill]

20. Scared Puty? You should be.

[barbtries]

21. "just give me Ukraine and it will all be over"

yeah fuck you putin.

[chowder66]

27. I wouldn't trust him being physically around Zelensky for a second.

[relayerbob]

28. He can end it with one command

So, I call bullshit. He's just delaying, again.

[getagrip_already]

29. he doesn't want an end, just a pause.....

So he can rebuild his military, equipment and munition supply to attack again in force.

He has no intention of stopping before he is on Poland's border, and not even then.

[Strelnikov_]

40. Target Russia's Capability, Not Its Intent

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/target-russia%E2%80%99s-capability-not-its-intent

US policy should recognize that the Kremlin’s intent regarding Ukraine is maximalist, inflexible, and will not change in the foreseeable future. The West should stop expending resources trying to change a reality it does not control and focus on what it can shape plenty: denying Russia’s ability to wage a war against Ukraine.

Negotiations, ceasefires, and peace deals are not off-ramps but rather on-ramps for the Kremlin to renew its attack on Ukraine in the future under conditions that advantage Russia. They are means to the same ends—full control of Ukraine and eradication of Ukraine’s statehood and identity.

The vital US interest in preventing future Russian attacks on Ukraine can be best achieved by denying Russia the capability to carry out those attacks. The immediate requirement is preserving Ukraine’s momentum on the battlefield—accounting for a possible renewed offensive from Russia this winter—to ensure that Ukraine secures the most advantageous position possible. The West should also eliminate Russia’s ability to attack Ukraine in the future, including by denying Russia a military foothold in Ukraine from which to launch attacks, resisting "peace" deals that the Kremlin will use to buy time to reconstitute its forces, not empowering the Russian defense industrial complex with access to Western markets, and committing to building Ukraine's defensive capabilities over the long term.

[Midnight Writer]

30. Silly. Even if he takes Ukraine, he can never occupy it. Resistance would be unrelenting.

The only thing keeping his invasion going is his own pride and vanity.

[Stuart G]

31. Simple...It is Putin's "Viet Nam". Putin cannot win. He now knows it.

[McKim]

33. So we are about to find out......

So we are about to find out just how much the MIC wants this new money to spend on weapons.

[PatrickforB]

34. I'm sure he does! It was a horrible mistake.

Unfortunately, when think of the magnitude of his crimes agains humanity, it is equally sure that he should be captured and tried in the Hague for these crimes.

[grantcart]

35. If there was only some way he could end it, lol.

[nycbos]

36. Ok then.

Pull your troops out.

To quote Anthony Blinken "if Russia stops fighting the war ends. If Ukraine stops fighting Ukraine ends."

[AverageOldGuy]

38. Okay, let's negotiate with Pooty - - -

He gets the fuck out of every inch of Ukraine.

He pays to rebuild every single Ukrainian town -- every building, every factory, every hospital, every school . . . .

He gets nothing in return.

Ukraine joins NATO.

He surrenders to the International Court of Justice and admits to war crimes.

[Martin68]

39. But there is no doubt in anyone's mind that Putin wants to end the war and keep the land Russia

currently occupies, including Crimea and a significant portion of eastern Ukraine. That must not be allowed to happen. If it is, in 2 years, or 3 years or 5 years he will invade again. Not to mention which other neighbors he will intimidate and steal land from.

[orangecrush]

41. Fucking lying murdering shitbag

[IronLionZion]

42. Putin is losing badly and wants to pause and regroup

as if anyone is going to fall for this BS. Russian army has been drafting tons of people and Wagner group has been recruiting the worst criminals.

[generalbetrayus]

43. Putin said on Thursday that Russia wants an end to the war in Ukraine.

I want an end to Putin in Russia. Let's see which happens first.

[marble falls]

45. He may have said it, but where's the cease fire to get it going?

[Crowman2009]

46. I won't believe Russia wants peace until Pooty poot faces a firing squad.

[stopill]

48. I'm open to a deal but with no or very small concessions

from Ukraine.

[SheltieLover]

52. Really?

What of Ukraine's would you give to murderer pootin?

Welcome to DU.

[Prairie_Seagull]

49. Just curious, was this statement after the promise of patriot batteries.

Seems to me he would prefer not to have them on Russian borders. Once their in, their in.

[anamnua]

50. Danegeld

Rudyard Kipling (1911):
https://www.bartleby.com/364/395.html

For cash read 'territory, concessions...'

[Happy Hoosier]

53. All they have to do is withdraw troops. Easy-peasy. NT

[XorXor]

54. Well, he's in luck then. Putin is just the man who can end this war overnight if he wants to

He can have hundreds of thousands of Russian soldiers back at home with their families to celebrate Christmas (Jan. 7th there, right?)

[EndlessWire]

55. It's just Russian diplomacy.

He wants to appear to be the one courting peace at Christmas time. "But, they won't give up!"

Rather than a response to Biden's reassurance of continued support, Vlad is probably reacting to Belarus' refusal to fight for him. That guy in Belarus has his own problems with citizens. Surely he doesn't want to get involved with this chicken fight.

Putin's nuts if he thinks that the war has to end with his possession of the seaboard. Fact is, he's having trouble fielding a competent army, and he has already emptied his prisons (or, thereabouts.) His citizens have either fled or been killed; are they going to stand for a second draft of untrained, unwilling average Joes who just want to go about their business?

Putin made a big mistake. He misjudged both the Ukrainian people, and the wild support that they would receive from the rest of the world. WE made a mistake in 2014 in not stopping Russia's annexation of Crimea. If Putin is allowed to keep what he has stolen, he will be back for second helpings. Or, thirds.

But now, his own infrastructure (military) has taken hits, and now he is whining again. Poor Pooty. The only offramp he can visualize is his victorious annexation of all the ports, and keeping Crimea, thus becoming the Food King, controlling all the exports according to his wishes.

There are parts of the world dependent on the freedom to sail the Black sea without interference. So, I see the fight the Ukrainians are putting up as benefitting more than themselves, as we have countries food impoverished because of PUTIN. (And the Duma.)

Kick his ass, Ukraine, don't be shy.

I just want to see the bridge hit again. (You know, they have to retake Crimea in order to eliminate that seaport on the Odesa side. They have to eliminate that supply line, because that is where the sub missiles are loaded up.)