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SouthernDem4ever

(6,170 posts)
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 09:08 PM Dec 2022

Vatican defrocks Frank Pavone, anti-abortion activist and priest, over social media posts

Source: USA Today

The Vatican has defrocked Frank Pavone, a high-profile anti-abortion American priest, over “blasphemous communications on social media” and “persistent disobedience” of his bishop, according to news reports Sunday.

The Vatican removed Pavone from the priesthood Nov. 9 and there is no chance for him to appeal his dismissal, according to a letter to U.S. bishops from Christophe Pierre, the Vatican ambassador to the U.S. The letter was first reported by Catholic News Agency.

Pavone, founder of anti-abortion group Priests for Life, frequently posts on social media about politics and abortion, largely in support of former President Donald J. Trump and the Republican party's anti-abortion platform.

The Vatican said it provided Pavone "ample opportunity" to defend himself, but he provided "no reasonable justification for his actions," according to the letter.



Read more: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/12/18/priests-life-founder-frank-pavone-removed-vatican/10921387002/



I guess the Catholic church is getting tired of being used as pawns by repuglicans.
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Vatican defrocks Frank Pavone, anti-abortion activist and priest, over social media posts (Original Post) SouthernDem4ever Dec 2022 OP
The last paragraph BOSSHOG Dec 2022 #1
How long before 'ole Frank runs for office? Talitha Dec 2022 #2
3, 2, 1 Grimelle Dec 2022 #15
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2022 #3
Texas and Florida Tetrachloride Dec 2022 #4
Internal. Igel Dec 2022 #5
Why was he never charged for owning a fetus, the one he used as a prop during his sermon? NullTuples Dec 2022 #6
Francis must have gotten a kick out of defrocking this one. peppertree Dec 2022 #7
Or gavone, in Italian. 3Hotdogs Dec 2022 #12
Certo! peppertree Dec 2022 #17
I'm sure there's a place drmeow Dec 2022 #8
The unborn are an easy excuse to support policies that screw the born IronLionZion Dec 2022 #9
Good, glad Francis is paying atttention Warpy Dec 2022 #10
Wow. Super bold. PlutosHeart Dec 2022 #11
Not merely enough. The american wing of the catholic church is not in lock step with the vatican onetexan Dec 2022 #14
I wish we could "defrock" the right-wing Catholics on the Supreme Court and kick them out.. Lonestarblue Dec 2022 #13
Boot 'em out, Frank! orangecrush Dec 2022 #16
More info scipan Dec 2022 #18
A great example of religion gone wild SouthernDem4ever Dec 2022 #22
I'm not Catholic but my understand is that a priest's vows include a vow of obedience. TomSlick Dec 2022 #19
I wish Francis would live forever GenThePerservering Dec 2022 #20
It would be nice Red Mountain Dec 2022 #21

BOSSHOG

(36,635 posts)
1. The last paragraph
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 09:16 PM
Dec 2022

Applies to any MAGA Republican and any Catholic who has no respect for the separation of church and state. Let’s do away with the separation of church and state and turn loose the assessors. Would Pope Francis have a chat with his zealots?

Response to SouthernDem4ever (Original post)

Igel

(35,118 posts)
5. Internal.
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 09:37 PM
Dec 2022

He defiled the altar and defied his superiors.

He also put his parish's secular rights and privileges at risk.

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
6. Why was he never charged for owning a fetus, the one he used as a prop during his sermon?
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 09:55 PM
Dec 2022

It was kind of a big deal a few years ago but I've checked and somehow Texas police never thought to charge him?

Who cares about what happens between lower and upper members of an organization. It's what happens when someone breaks the law that matters. Far too often the RCC is allowed to handle actual lawbreaking "internally". Imagine if other organizations were allowed to do such a thing!

peppertree

(21,356 posts)
7. Francis must have gotten a kick out of defrocking this one.
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 10:06 PM
Dec 2022

'Pavone' in Argentina (actually, 'Pavón') means big turkey or moron.

IronLionZion

(45,044 posts)
9. The unborn are an easy excuse to support policies that screw the born
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 10:25 PM
Dec 2022

Priests should not be openly political for any party or candidate.

Warpy

(110,594 posts)
10. Good, glad Francis is paying atttention
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 11:42 PM
Dec 2022

to what the frocked misogynists are up to besides church sanctioned misogyny.

PlutosHeart

(1,162 posts)
11. Wow. Super bold.
Sun Dec 18, 2022, 11:44 PM
Dec 2022

American Right-Wing Catholics have been giving the Church a really bad name. Causing a major split. Am impressed this happened.

onetexan

(12,925 posts)
14. Not merely enough. The american wing of the catholic church is not in lock step with the vatican
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 04:47 AM
Dec 2022

Its leadership the bishops and cardinals overwhelmingly promote RW agenda and tolerate discrimination of minorities and LGBTQ+ communities. Francis is a great man & pope. The organization he leads, however, is systemically flawed & corrupt.

orangecrush

(19,009 posts)
16. Boot 'em out, Frank!
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 10:42 AM
Dec 2022


My Pope was a bouncer before his present vocation.

True fact

Show them the door, Frank.

scipan

(2,213 posts)
18. More info
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 04:30 PM
Dec 2022
An outspoken supporter of former president Donald Trump, Pavone served on official Trump campaign outreach positions in 2016 and was originally a co-chair of Trump’s 2020 pro-life coalition, as well as an advisory board member of Catholics for Trump. Canon law forbids clerics from having an active role in political parties unless they receive the permission of their bishop.

In November 2016, Pavone filmed a video at the Priests for Life headquarters, urging support for Trump. The video was staged with the body of an aborted baby laid before Pavone on what appeared to be an altar.

( It was given to him to be buried)...snip...

Pavone also reportedly tweeted that he would hear the confession of a Catholic who votes Democrat, “but we are trained that in the absence of repentance, absolution has to be withheld.

In response, the Amarillo Diocese issued a statement disavowing Pavone’s comments, saying he used “scandalous words not becoming of a Catholic priest.”


https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/253106/vatican-dismisses-father-frank-pavone-from-priesthood

SouthernDem4ever

(6,170 posts)
22. A great example of religion gone wild
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 07:51 AM
Dec 2022

Of course, we could add to that every TV and Crystal Palace type preacher as well.

TomSlick

(10,978 posts)
19. I'm not Catholic but my understand is that a priest's vows include a vow of obedience.
Mon Dec 19, 2022, 07:46 PM
Dec 2022

It would appear the Holy See takes that vow seriously.

Red Mountain

(1,685 posts)
21. It would be nice
Tue Dec 20, 2022, 06:59 AM
Dec 2022

If they could recall him to Rome and stick him in a remote monastery somewhere to brush up on his obedience.

For a long, long time.

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