Child workers found throughout Hyundai-Kia supply chain in Alabama
Source: Reuters
At least four major suppliers of Hyundai Motor Co and sister Kia Corp have employed child labor at Alabama factories in recent years, a Reuters investigation found, and state and federal agencies are probing whether kids have worked at as many as a half dozen additional manufacturers throughout the automakers supply chain in the southern U.S. state. At a plant owned by Hwashin America Corp, a supplier to the two car brands in the south Alabama town of Greenville, a 14-year-old Guatemalan girl worked this May assembling auto body components, according to interviews with her father and law enforcement officials.
At plants owned by Korean auto-parts maker Ajin Industrial Co, in the east Alabama town of Cusseta, a former production engineer told Reuters he worked with at least 10 minors. And six other ex-employees of Ajin said they, too, worked alongside multiple underage laborers. In two separate statements sent by the same public relations firm, Hwashin and Ajin said their policies forbid the hiring of any worker not of legally employable age. Using identical language, both companies said they hadnt, to the best of our knowledge, hired underage workers.
The employment of children at Hwashin and Ajin hasnt been previously reported. The news follows a Reuters report in July that revealed the use of child workers, one as young as 12, by SMART Alabama LLC, a Hyundai subsidiary in the south Alabama town of Luverne. In August, the U.S. Department of Labor said that SL Alabama LLC, another Hyundai supplier and a unit of South Koreas SL Corp, employed underage workers, including a 13-year-old, at its factory in Alexander City.
Since then, as many as 10 Alabama plants that supply parts to Hyundai or Kia have been investigated for child labor by various state and federal law enforcement or regulatory agencies, according to two people familiar with the probes. The investigations are being conducted across small towns and rural outposts where many of the suppliers and the job recruiters that staff them are located. It isnt yet clear whether the probes will lead to criminal charges, fines or other penalties, the two people said.
Read more: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/
I actually heard this reported on the local news radio today.
Chainfire
(17,537 posts)FredGarvin
(477 posts)SunSeeker
(51,553 posts)A part-time paper route job beats the pants off the Hell some of these kids lived in, described in the article.
KS Toronado
(17,234 posts)Should start a class action lawsuit to see how many come out of the woodwork.
Roy Rolling
(6,917 posts)FredGarvin
(477 posts)Instead I worked at JC Penny.
Lucky kids.
Dysfunctional
(452 posts)mgardener
(1,816 posts)Started at 14 and worked till I graduated from college.
I only work for 2 months as a 14 yo.
SunSeeker
(51,553 posts)From the article:
...
Even as authorities were investigating, a 14-year-old migrant was recruited to the factory floor at Hwashin. The girls father said he and his daughter arrived in Alabama four years earlier, after a long trek from Guatemala. The teen looks younger than her age. On a visit to their home, a small house shared with other migrants south of Greenville, Reuters met the girl, who is just over four feet tall, with rosy cheeks and a timid smile.
Early this year, the father had been working poultry jobs. Troubled by the familys meager income and hoping to send money to family back in Central America, the girl, who wasnt attending school, asked her father if she too could get a job, he said. He agreed. I wish I had said no, he said.
Father and daughter worked long shifts, commuting 90 minutes each way from their home, the cost of van rides deducted from their weekly pay, the father said. Many staffing agencies operate van fleets and provide transportation to companies for which they recruit labor.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-immigration-hyundai/
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Mysterian
(4,587 posts)You're sick in your head.
obamanut2012
(26,076 posts)jfc
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Loads of safety concerns & tons of recalls.
For example: exploding seatbelt tensioners. Just 1 exampke of many I've read about.
Loved the recall for onstrument panels installed up-side-down. Wth?
(No I do not own one, but lots of folks in this region do & they are absolute junk.)
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)FredGarvin
(477 posts)My wife owns one. Garbage even beyond F garbage.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)54 reports of the problem in 2020-2023 models with a specific engine...out of 540,000 such vehicles, and they are recalling all of them to make sure they're safe.
Especially given the mess that has been the pandemic supply chain, what Ford is doing is a bad thing...how?
Ford_Prefect
(7,897 posts)in the build to save money. Just like the self-baking ignition modules mounted atop the distributors in many previous Ford products.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,835 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 16, 2022, 07:39 PM - Edit history (1)
My mom's 2008 Elantra is still on the road, being driven by a friend of mine. No issues. My sister's on her second Tucson. No issues for her, either.
Now, lemme tell ya some stories about the Fords I've owned...
Rebl2
(13,506 posts)Fix or repair daily. Had a couple of those myself. My parents had a couple Crown Vics that never gave them problems though. I had two Bonnevilles gave us a few problems. Now a Camery. Five years now and still no problems.
OverBurn
(950 posts)First On Race Day.
MOPAR Mostly Old Parts And Rust or My Old Pig Ain't Running.
Dysfunctional
(452 posts)That was 2 years ago and he still drives it without a major repair. My 2015 Optima has 87,000 miles on it.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)I drive only GM. I still call Hyundai and Kia and Toyota foreign.
My bucks. My choice.
Kali
(55,008 posts)I'm old, driven a LOT of vehicles, many beaters. Love my Kia, it is approaching 10 years old and NEVER had a major repair - or a minor one for that matter. 211 K on it.
mcar
(42,329 posts)It's got 200,000 miles on it and is still running decently. Except for this news about child labor, I'd buy a Kia again in a minute.
csziggy
(34,136 posts)Yes, they are.
September 22, 2022
When it comes to theft, bargain-priced vehicles manufactured by Kia and Hyundai now rival muscle cars and luxury SUVs as top targets, a Highway Loss Data Institute analysis of 2021 insurance claims shows.
Among newer models, whole vehicle theft claims were highest for the Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat, relative to its numbers on the road over 2018-22. But among 2015-19 model-year vehicles, theft claims were nearly twice as common for Hyundai and Kia vehicles as a group as for all other manufacturers, according to a recent HLDI report.
Car theft spiked during the pandemic, said HLDI Senior Vice President Matt Moore. These numbers tell us that some vehicles may be targeted because theyre fast or worth a lot of money and others because theyre easy to steal.
Many 2015-19 Hyundai and Kia vehicles lack electronic immobilizers that prevent thieves from simply breaking in and bypassing the ignition. The feature is standard equipment on nearly all vehicles of that vintage made by other manufacturers.
https://www.iihs.org/news/detail/hyundais-kias-are-easy-targets-amid-boom-in-vehicle-thefts
About the source:
The Highway Loss Data Institute (HLDI) shares and supports this mission through scientific studies of insurance data representing the human and economic losses resulting from the ownership and operation of different types of vehicles and by publishing insurance loss results by vehicle make and model.
SWBTATTReg
(22,121 posts)csziggy
(34,136 posts)Immobilizer systems - a steering lock if the ignition is bypassed - is standard on most car models today. It's pretty cheap and easy for the car manufacturers to put in when the car is built, but those models are just too cheap to add it.
In addition, it is a Tik Tok craze for young people to steal the cars and go joy riding.
MontanaMama
(23,314 posts)I have a 2020 Kia Telluride. I LOVE this car. I waited seven months for it after I ordered it. Knowing that child labor was involved takes the joy out of it.
Response to MontanaMama (Reply #6)
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SharonClark
(10,014 posts)that you would have loved working in an auto factory as a child of 12 or 14. We have child labor laws for a reason.
FredGarvin
(477 posts)Instead of sweeping floors or delivering newspapers.
Sign me up!
marble falls
(57,081 posts)... I would have enjoyed flying F-4s at 14, too.
AllyCat
(16,187 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)Not good.
wnylib
(21,450 posts)standing in one position for hours at a time, keeping up with production quotas instead of going to school? Instead of socializing with peers?
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)The same people who say, "I worked 8 hr days when I was 14" are also often likely to say things like, "I had to stop working at 50 due to back problems" or, "there's just no cartilage left in my joints, my arthritis is awful".
Hard manual labor before puberty damages bodies for life.
blue neen
(12,321 posts)How about that employing children at a car factory is against the law. So, if Hyundai and Kia are willing to break this law, what other ones are they blowing off while they're building your automobiles?
It sure makes one wonder.
FredGarvin
(477 posts)You think US automakers dont use components that are not made in childless factories????
marble falls
(57,081 posts)... kids for peanuts. How about 14 yr old bus drivers? Bar tenders?
Just because someone else does it doesn't make it right. Like your mama once asked you: if Jimmy jumped off a bridge - would you jump, too?
It's not good and there is great pressure to end it.
https://www.forbes.com sites forbesbusinesscouncil 2021 08 25 how-businesses-can-stop-child-labor-in-their-supply-chains
How Businesses Can Stop Child Labor In Their Supply Chains - Forbes
Aug 25, 2021In their latest estimates just published in June, the U.N. anticipates another 9 million children will become child laborers by the end of 2022. For most global companies, underaged labor ...
https://www.ilo.org asia areas child-labour lang--en index.htm
Child Labour in Asia and the Pacific - International Labour Organization
research by the ilo's international programme for the elimination of child labour (ipec) has found working children in a number of economic sectors, including domestic labour, seafood processing, garment and footwear factories, mining and quarrying, pyrotechnics, rag-picking and scavenging, rubber and sugar-cane plantations, entertainment and
https://www.nytimes.com 1998 05 13 business international-business-nike-pledges-to-end-child-labor-and-apply-us-rules-abroad.html
INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS; Nike Pledges to End Child Labor And Apply U.S ...
May 13, 1998Mr. Knight's pledges did not include increased wage, a major complaint of critics who say that Nike and other American companies pay workers in China and Vietnam less than $2 a day and workers in...
https://www.nytimes.com roomfordebate 2014 07 16 what-standards-of-child-labor-should-apply-in-developing-countries to-end-child-labor-washington-must-press-companies-to-act
To End Child Labor, Washington Must Press Companies to Act
Jul 16, 2014The United States and other developed countries were able to restrict child labor domestically because they faced no blackmail from global competition. It is these pressures that led to the...
https://share.america.gov us-stop-forced-labor-xinjiang-china
U.S. expands push to stop forced labor in Xinjiang | ShareAmerica
Jun 30, 2021On June 24, U.S. Customs and Border Protection issued what is known as a "Withhold Release Order" against the Hoshine Silicon Industry Co. Ltd. based on evidence the Xinjiang-based company uses forced labor. The order blocks import of Hoshine's silica-based products, which are used to make solar panels, electronics and other goods.
https://www.change.org p nestlé-stop-the-child-labor-in-the-cocoa-plants-in-west-africa-and-the-low-wages
Petition · Stop the child labor in the cocoa plants in west Africa and ...
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Is this what you want here in the US: a THIRD WORLD labor market???
Are you sure you're a Democrat?
LT Barclay
(2,599 posts)article.
Sometimes I think I need to stick to other news sites. The comments are never like that at rawstory, buzzflash, or consortium news.
marble falls
(57,081 posts)... brainfart and for some reason felt compelled to double down on a clinker unthought out post.
wnylib
(21,450 posts)were a good idea? Where children worked long hours in noisy dirty factories for cheap pay instead of getting fresh air, exercise, and an education?
That's where unchecked child labor leads.
DoBotherMe
(2,339 posts)AllyCat
(16,187 posts)Just joined a couple months ago and posts all kinds of things that dont sound progressive or democratic.
LakeArenal
(28,817 posts)Its usually very illuminating.
A poor immigrant non-English speaking child of 13 at the mercy of profit pinching corporations.
Whats not to like about that? Hope ones child finds a job like that. No college for you. Not even 9th grade.
🙄🥲
iluvtennis
(19,858 posts)were the rules when I worked back in the day as a junior high and high school student. School had to approve it as I had to be a student with in good standing with certain GPA.
Of they don't have work permits and parental/school approval, they shouldn't be allowed to work.
BumRushDaShow
(128,965 posts)teens could get "working papers" at age 16 but no lower. I expect those who were delivering newspapers back in the day were exempt as it was basically part time and nowadays adults are doing the deliveries, probably for obvious reasons.
In fact, I found this for PA -
There are thousands of laws in Pennsylvania, and many of those laws deal directly with issues relating to kids. How many hours are kids allowed to work during the week? When can they get their drivers licenses? What is the punishment for graffiti? These and many other questions are answered below. Please take a moment to learn about the laws that affect Pennsylvania kids.
(snip)
Child Labor Laws
Did you know the minors cant work for more than five continuous hours without a 30 minute lunch break? Or, that no child under the age of 16 can work outside school for more than four hours a day? This area explains the child labor laws in Pennsylvania.
Under Pennsylvania law, no child under the age of 16 may be employed. There is an exception for a child between the ages of 12 and 14, who may serve as a golf caddy, but may only carry one golf bag and not for any longer than 18 holes in one day. A child between 14 and 16 may also caddy with the restriction that it cannot interfere with school attendance. No child under the age of 18 can be employed for more than six consecutive days a week or more than 44 hours in one week or more than eight hours a day. If in school, no child under the age of 18 shall be employed for more than 28 hours during a school week. No child under the age of 16 can work outside school for more than four hours a day.
(snip)
https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/protect-yourself/kids/pa-kids-laws/
I expect in the southern states where there is more farming going on, you will ultimately have family farms with children working - although I don't know how they regulate that - let alone in those states.
marble falls
(57,081 posts)... I had a physical at the city offices. First time I had a hernia check. Shocked that little 14 year old Lutheran. Just me and a very old doctor alone in a closet sized office.
The rules were: no more than four days a week, no more than six hours in one day, no later than 10pm on school nights and no grades under a C.
My summer job was on a truck farm pulling radishes, onions, beets; cutting lettuce, spinach. I made $.30/hr. The next year I got a raise to $.35/hr. this was '63 and '64. In '65 I worked at Bunny Burger and got $1.00/hr.
The truck farm was dangerous - we were around all sorts of chemicals, machinery, tractors and some of us got hurt badly - falling off loaded trucks, Sun poisoning, radish poisoning (a real thing), insect bites.
A couple of years later the laws changed and one had to be 18 or older to work a farm.
I started working construction around 16-17 and used mortar mixers, drove lifts, build scaffolding, carried hods of brick and mortar up scaffling one-handed; all dangerous things. No-one under 18 should have been at it.
I made the transition to University with no regrets. No child should have done most of the work I did when I was that young.
BumRushDaShow
(128,965 posts)whether sharecropping on farms or working in a family tailor shop where the family lived above the store.
It's one of the things that Mother Jones tried to highlight a century and a quarter ago, where she lead children from here in Philly up to Teddy Roosevelt's house.
marble falls
(57,081 posts)... buckets of it, tongs of brick, two 8" or 12" concrete block at a time to keep his hired bricklayers working. The summer I worked for him after my junior year was 6 days a week, before sun up till after sundown. When we got home, I'd unload the truck of things we were done with and the next morning reload it for the next phase, and fill a couple of barrels of water to make 'mud' the next day.
He paid me $40/week. He told me after a month I was a good worker and was giving me a raise to $60/week. When I didn't see the raise, he told me that he figured if I was making $60/week, I could pay $20/week room and board. That was the last summer he beat me (every Thursday night). He came to hit me and I crouched, grabbed him behind his knees, collapsing him; stood up and rolled him over my shoulder to the floor of the kitchen. He realized that it would escalate to the backyard and one of us killing the other. And that stopped that, even though he still drank every Thursday night.
Within a week of graduating HS, I was out of there and started college at Akron U that September. Back in the day when $1,000 would pay for three semesters (pre quarter days), and some of the text books.
Kids do all sorts of dangerous, hard work to help keep their families eating. At the same time - we Americans largely treat our kids terribly, or used to.
The one thing in my life I am very proud of is I was the very best dad to my kids I could be.
I cannot for the life of me understand how any adult could think child labor is a good thing.
BumRushDaShow
(128,965 posts)my long long ago ancestors were not.
marble falls
(57,081 posts)My senior year, he borrowed $500 from me and NEVER paid me back.
There was no consolation at all in what I got. Not a fucking iota of compensation at all.
I came to forgive him, when I was about 40 when he actually asked forgiveness, he had given up drinking cold turkey a few years before, and I suppose he was performing a personal sort of 12-Step.
The ONLY, positively only good that came from that horseshit of a childhood was: there is no beating I can't get up from, I got in very good physical shape, and I know how to work hard and do a lot of different craft. I know how to treat kids, and how to keep my expectations of other's performance realistic. I know how to keep my temper in check, but I will not be mistreated or have a hand put on me or mine.
Life is good for me now. Child labor is an abomination. Even labor for family. Children need a childhood. Chores are one thing, adult level labor is another. Adults need to work for at least a living wage so that there is no need to exploit children.
By the way, the ONLY time the old man paid me was during that one summer, and he borrowed most of it and never paid it back. If you think I was fortunate in any of that, well, that is one opinion.
BumRushDaShow
(128,965 posts)but we come from very different backgrounds and cultures where my ancestors were dragged kicking and screaming here against their will and then subjugated to the whims and brutalities of their owners.
I am grateful that times have changed, although not without a lot of effort and sacrifices by many, to make right that wrong, but we still have a long way to go.
iluvtennis
(19,858 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,965 posts)I know annually on Labor Day on DU, I try to pay tribute to Mother Jones as this is where I first saw someone post an audio book version (Librevox) of Mother Jones' own autobiography and I was completely floored by her life and her contributions to the labor movement here in the U.S. (and particularly her involvement in the mills here in Philly).
AllyCat
(16,187 posts)Had to apply for a permit signed by school officials. Rules state he CANNOT work during school hours. No more than 18 hours a week.
Children should be IN SCHOOL not dang happy they gave a job as some here seem to be suggesting.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)Oh, wait...they do it any way and then all too often abuse them.
I think the point is that the factory owners don't care. Kids work for cheap.
Kennah
(14,265 posts)luv2fly
(2,475 posts)I made a buck an hour and it was over 95° with probably 70% humidity minimum. I was happy to have the money.
SharonClark
(10,014 posts)Im sure you were but the US has labor laws to protect children for working in dangerous situations and for long periods of time. We dont leave it up to children to decide that the money is worth it.
FredGarvin
(477 posts)Brutal conditions. Dangerous neighborhoods. Bad people.
I did it though and made a few dollars a week and saved most of it.
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)I'm talking about back in the day, before all the papers were bought up by private equity companies & the newsrooms fired.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)more idiotic comparisons between your paper route and the lives these kids are living.
FredGarvin
(477 posts)I worked hard too as a kid.
Bought a bike, a fishing rod, a watch and banked most of it.
XorXor
(621 posts)Versus a kid who is working full days in a factory. Is it safe to say you were not putting a 40 hour work week cutting grass?
I always hope that when I read these headlines, that the content of the story says it was one of the employees kids working a few hours a week to earn some extra cash, and that the entire story is just overblown clickbait. Unfortunately that is often not the case. This is legit child labor.
luv2fly
(2,475 posts)Wasn't long-term, I knew there was an end and the cash as a teen was nice to have. It was also my choice.
XorXor
(621 posts)There is still a difference between a kid doing a summer job cutting grass versus a kid being employed in a factory all year long as if they're an adult. I'm going to guess your circumstances were a lot less bleak than these immigrant children who are working these jobs now. It doesn't seem fair to compare them.
luv2fly
(2,475 posts)I'm waiting to see what the results of the investigation show.
Many people are responding emotionally to this, absent all the facts. Some are also pushing Western values into this scenario, and while that's understandable, in many other countries/cultures work is viewed differently, particularly work by children. Western folks don't have to like it, but they need to be aware of what they're doing and question whether or not that's appropriate. People are all pretty good at rationalizing their own belief systems.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)the article? Clearly not.
luv2fly
(2,475 posts)Now you know.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)Was it because they had to do it to help support themselves and or their family then it's wrong and something should be done.
But what if it was for some other reason such as wanting to buy a new Nvidia 4090 along with a new high end AM5 motherboard, CPU with DDR5 memory? Unless their parents are willing and or able to pay for it they are going to need all the money that they can make if they are only going to work during summer vacation.
republianmushroom
(13,592 posts)only a fine , there will be more of it.
Deep State Witch
(10,426 posts)Are they dropouts? Are they working second shifts? I don't care how much money they're making. Child labor is against the law.
I own a Hyundai. I like it a lot. I used to like the company a lot. However, this will be the last one I buy unless they clean up their act.
wnylib
(21,450 posts)about their own experiences as child laborers, is that what you want (or wanted) for your kids? Are you really ok with this?
NullTuples
(6,017 posts)The way to a better society is to require kids go to school and provide their families with the means to let them do so. But Capitalists don't very much like that way of doing things.
XorXor
(621 posts)I don't know of many people who object to anyone under 18 doing some sort of limited work to make extra cash. That's not the same as a kid having a full-time job like an adult.
wnylib
(21,450 posts)occasional work for spending money, for work experience in something that they like and want to do later, or to save toward college. But not a full time job 40 hours/week or more.
XorXor
(621 posts)and then at a Fry's Electronics when I was 17. I only worked part-time, though. Getting a $300 check when I was 16 (late 90's) was the most liberating and awesome things for me at that time. That was a decent amount of money when I didn't have any bills to pay.
I going to guess that the children in this article are not working part-time so that they can have some extra cash. It's a totally different situation.
wnylib
(21,450 posts)From the OP, I think that they are the children of immigrants. They might or might not be undocumented. Either way, the kids appear to be helping to support their families. But they still deserve an opportunity to get an education and prepare for a future for themselves instead of working full time when they should be in school.
The situation raises a lot of immigration questions. Are their employers recruiting undocumented people for this purpose? If undocumented, are the kids and their parents afraid of being turned in and deported if they take the kids off the job? Or ask for more pay? Or better working conditions? Are they being paid minimum wage or less than minimum? This might be a case of human trafficking for a form of enslavement.
If they left their own country because of drugs, gang violence, extreme poverty, this might even be an improvement in their lives. But if so, there are other immigrants/asylum seekers who are welcomed and don't have to go through this. Immigration reform could end this kind of thing.
LT Barclay
(2,599 posts)an environment where the kid could continue their education and work their way up, as opposed to those who will start out as a 14 year old factory worker, never learn to read, and be stuck in low paying jobs the rest of their lives.
We are no longer an upwardly mobile society.
AllyCat
(16,187 posts)And what we do have is tightly controlled as it should be. These knee-deep snow stories are maddening and NOT echoing progressive ideals or even SAFE ones.
twodogsbarking
(9,749 posts)Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Stuart G
(38,427 posts)If you haven't read this book, read it. It lead to labor laws in the early 1900s.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)The northern industrial worker and miner were worthless. A slave had a value. If the worker was injured or killed the companies just went and got another worker. In a mining company town if you got close to paying off your house you were fired.
This went on way past the end of slavery. Child labor was common.
***I am not trying to minimize the horror of slavery.***
The right does not want to teach this history. They want to repeat this history! We have a very perverse labor history in this country and it needs to be taught.
The Jungle is one good history lesson however it does not touch on mining and company towns. That is a whole other story of inhumanity and perversion. The dollar is a sickness.
marble falls
(57,081 posts)... heart breaking.
Stuart G
(38,427 posts)because of this book. Theadore Roosevelt was President at the time, and he read it and then proposed laws
to change what was. When you go to the store and buy meat, you know that has been inspected and is safe.
This book changed the laws of the U.S.A. to include rigorous meat inspection.
marble falls
(57,081 posts)... came from Czechoslovakia and went into the Bethlehem coal mines and the steel mills associated with them in PA. My dad's first job at 14 was relining the insides of smelters with firebrick after every pour.
One person who worked in the same mine was Charles Bronson, who got drafted from the mine at the start of WWII. Bronson came back and went to school and acting. My grandfather died of black lung in the mid 60s. Thank G*D for the UMW and the Federal Mine Inspectors who came of the unionizing of the mines. It meant Grampa Churley had more years after he left the mines, instead of dying after Bethlehem used him up.
I identified with those people in the slaughter houses and butcheries. The house we lived in Cleveland was described perfectly in the Chicago of that book. When the violinist ruined his hand with a boning knife, it broke my young heart. I am very familiar with that book. I've read it several times
I graduated from Upton Sinclair to Sinclair Lewis and got to read about the story arc of my mother's father and her family in "Babbitt".
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)few problems with children working.
Now if it was interfering with their schooling that is a different story as they need to be attending it.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Should children be operating machinery? Should they be dipping food into hot oil? Driving fork trucks or tractors. Loading wood chippers? Operating slicers?
School is worthless if you are working everyday. I know because I worked in high school. I did no school work. I worked in a forging shop grinding flashings off castings.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)As for what jobs it would have to be ones they can actually physically handle and yes that could be operating some machinery or a tractor as some children actually do drive tractors in the more rural areas on family farms where they help out doing jobs around the farm every day.
Now the real question you should be asking and what everyone should be for these children is why are they working?
Is it because they want to or is it because they are being pushed into it to try and support themselves and or their families?
If its to support themselves and or their families then that should looked into as it should be a choice for them to make freely and not because they are being forced to do it.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)A lot of republicans think we should go back to those days. The days when children operated dangerous equipment. I believe children should not be used and abused in the labor market.
Child labor law in the US agrees with me.
https://www.dli.pa.gov/Individuals/Labor-Management-Relations/llc/Documents/child_labor_law_prohbitions.pdf
I suggest you read some history of child labor in the US. The history is not pleasant. I take issue with anyone suggesting we go back to those days
You would be OK with 6 year old children volunteering to work in breaker boxes? Five year old children waiting tables. Twelve year old girls waiting tables at Hooters? Child family labor on farms has a very high injury rate!
Children need to play.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Two were living without any parents in a "sparsely furnished" place owned by the "staffing company."
Most of the kids profiled seem to have been working full time.
SunSeeker
(51,553 posts)Comparing a part time paper route or similar work to what these kids were doing full time without being able to go to school is disheartening to see on this board.
Sounds like Kia was using a "staffing company" that was basically trafficking immigrant minors for their cheap labor.
Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)provided by the "staffing company" which, you are absolutely right, sounds like it's one step below a child trafficking ring.
And the youngest referenced was 12.
And multiple people up- thread are comparing it to their after school jobs they got so they could buy a bike.
I can't believe the things I see here lately.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)with it and if they weren't you weren't OK with it.
I pointed out that the article indicated they weren't.
cstanleytech
(26,291 posts)In the cases where they are not as according to the article it is not acceptable.
The Jungle 1
(4,552 posts)Breaker boys often cut their hands on the slate or had fingers amputated. Some would become caught in the conveyor belt and be flung into the grinding gears of the machinery. Those who fell into the flow of coal were crushed or smothered by the mass. Many lost their feet, legs, hands, or arms.
We have 5000 miles of dead streams in Pa because of coal barons who only loved money.
Republicans in Pa are giving the gas frackers the same freedom to pollute.
twodogsbarking
(9,749 posts)obamanut2012
(26,076 posts)Quit spreading misinformation, unless you can cite one example of this is any of their US factories or offices.
The Amish leadership just generally suck all over the place with labor laws, incest, puppy and kitten mills, etc.
twodogsbarking
(9,749 posts)BootinUp
(47,144 posts)Scrivener7
(50,949 posts)Man, this place is just unbelievable lately.
prismpalette
(38 posts)It is a right to work state and right to work states don't care as long as shareholders are happy!