Ukraine Pulled Ex-Soviet Recon Drones Out Of Storage, Added Bombs And Sent Them Toward Russia
Source: Forbes
The drones that Ukrainian forces used to strike two Russian bomber bases 300 miles inside Russia on Monday werent the satellite-controlled, missile-armed Bayraktar TB-2s that Ukraine acquired from Turkey.
No, they reportedly were Tupolev Tu-141s, ex-Soviet antiques that last saw front-line use in the 1980s, flying photo-reconnaissance missions for the Soviet air force.
As developments of the first-generation recon drones that the U.S. Air Force deployed in the Vietnam War, the jet-propelled Tu-141 wasnt very sophisticated by 1980s standards. Its even less sophisticated today.
But its simple, speedy and big enough to haul a warhead weighing hundreds of pounds, making it much more powerful than a TB-2 with its 49-pound missiles. The Tu-141 works. So it should come as no surprise that the Ukrainians are sending their Tu-141s on one-way missions to blow up Russian bombers.
Read more: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/12/05/ukraine-pulled-ex-soviet-recon-drones-out-of-storage-added-bombs-and-sent-them-hurtling-toward-russia/?sh=2e6b7d2a3348
Wicked repurposing by Ukraine.
And pathetic that Soviet era antiques aren't being stopped by Russian air defenses.
ZonkerHarris
(24,236 posts)Hekate
(90,750 posts)electric_blue68
(14,923 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)You can build a bridge if you just have some duct tape.
electric_blue68
(14,923 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,254 posts)electric_blue68
(14,923 posts)How does it go....
If it doesn't move, and it's supposed to use WD-40.
If it moves, and it's not supposed to use Duct tape.
👍
sprinkleeninow
(20,254 posts)KS Toronado
(17,283 posts)always called it "The 120 MPH Tape" after his hood latch got damaged and they duct taped the hood down.
And it can't fix stupid but it can muffle the sound
electric_blue68
(14,923 posts)over the mouth drumph. 😄
KS Toronado
(17,283 posts)electric_blue68
(14,923 posts)jmowreader
(50,561 posts)That's because you could stick something to the side of a helicopter with it, fly 100MPH, and it wouldn't fall off.
robbob
(3,536 posts)you havent used enough duct tape
BWdem4life
(1,679 posts)I can make anything out of duct tape and cardboard.
AllaN01Bear
(18,307 posts)yes bubble gum.
calimary
(81,373 posts)Besides, if itsMcGyverd together, I suspect that will be more challenging to figure out and attempt a response.
LudwigPastorius
(9,160 posts)I like it. That's thinking outside the box.
Sogo
(4,989 posts)iluvtennis
(19,864 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,676 posts)niyad
(113,487 posts)Kennah
(14,290 posts)EarnestPutz
(2,120 posts)......Europe has really exposed the weakness of their military? Both the equipment and the personnel, and perhaps especially the command and leadership. It bears no resemblance to a Tom Clancy-esque military juggernaut that we've been conditioned to expect.
Kennah
(14,290 posts)Even before this, I recall in recent years talking with people about the capabilities of both Russia and China. When people fret about "Red Dawn", I point out that even back in the 1980s, the USSR did not have the capabilities to deliver heavy equipment to the US.
Some elite troops parachuting out of commercial aircraft, okay. Still very much a stretch, but ok.
But parachuting T80 tanks into the US? Or the military might of South and Central America invading? Puh-leeze.
Today, if Russia and China combined their efforts, they could invade Canada and send troops south into the US. The Border Patrol might have enough firepower to stop them. And every tank at every base in the western states would be moving on the Interstates to stop them. To go clean up whatever is left after bombers flatten them.
Russia's only real threat is nuclear.
Now China is much more of a threat, but they are still no match for the US.
EarnestPutz
(2,120 posts)jmowreader
(50,561 posts)The only US Armor units close enough to the border to solve the problem are a National Guard battalion in Puyallup, WA (south of Seattle) and one in Kalispell, MT. But...since what we'd almost certainly get are infantry units using stolen dump trucks as personnel carriers, there is plenty of infantry up here who could do the job. And our good friend Mother Deuce the .50-caliber machine gun - which infantry units have a lot of - would solve the problem with no issues.
Kennah
(14,290 posts)but I can't imagine the Russians able to put tanks anywhere but Europe
niyad
(113,487 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)Kennah
(14,290 posts)msongs
(67,429 posts)Kennah
(14,290 posts)Soviet technology probably isn't a great safeguard, but my rudimentary understanding of nuclear fission seems to say we're safe
sarisataka
(18,705 posts)At the ready with armed nukes is behind us, at the moment.
Even if they were armed, it takes a precise process to trigger a nuclear detonation. The conventional explosives in a bomb would go off and the nuclear material would be scattered. A mess but not a disaster.
AverageOldGuy
(1,536 posts)crashing into Putin's office windows?
ProudProgressiveNow
(6,129 posts)Historic NY
(37,452 posts)with a present for Vlad.
Warpy
(111,302 posts)and promising Russia that they'd be returned soon. Yes, the grins were evil.
Considering how much shit the Russians have abandoned when their lines have collapsed. I have to wonder how many of the 90,000+ Ukraine has claimed have been killed were killed by the stuff they left behind.
Plus, the more you learn about this war, the worse it gets and the more you know Russia won't survive in its present form.
Putin has too much to answer for. Russians are starting to ask the questions, too.
fierywoman
(7,687 posts)drones coming toward them and read/identified them as being one of theirs?
getagrip_already
(14,795 posts)It's possible they spotted them on radar and were confused where they came/from or were going. But even if they wanted to shoot them down, they had moved most of the air defense pods (s300/s400) to ukraine to be used as ground pounding missiles.
But more than likely the radar operators were drunk or sleeping. And their commanders were likely mia.
So, pretty much the old saying goes: "We are luky they are so friggin stupid".......
fierywoman
(7,687 posts)William Seger
(10,779 posts)... and considering they're subsonic and can't do evasive maneuvers, shooting them down should be pretty easy. It seems Ukraine has been trying to do one of these attacks since last spring, but this was apparently the first one that scored hits.
fierywoman
(7,687 posts)EX500rider
(10,849 posts)Tupolev Tu-141: top speed: 684 mph
Mach 1: around 761 mph
LudwigPastorius
(9,160 posts)That makes them difficult to "see" with ground based radar.
The Russians know that Ukraine doesn't have conventional cruise missiles, so they weren't actively looking for this type of attack.
ancianita
(36,126 posts)Outdated, out of sync weaponry has its stealth uses.
Maybe that's why some of our missile systems still run on floppy disks.
ChazInAz
(2,571 posts)"Hoist on his own petard..."
FredGarvin
(483 posts)Russians are embarrassed that Ukraine has developed its own drone.
These drones were not ex-Soviet garbage, but newly designed weapons systems.
sarisataka
(18,705 posts)That Ukraine is not using TU-141s but has developed a brand new system?
Please share.
KS Toronado
(17,283 posts)They need to go after Russian oil refineries, electric power stations, water treatment plants all deep inside Russia
so the Russian people will experience first hand that Putler is getting his ass kicked. We know Russian State Media
isn't painting an honest picture of what's really happening in the war. If enough of them had to go without food,
gas, water, electricity, etc. we might see an uprising to kick him out of office.
Kennah
(14,290 posts)I'm seeing a fail in it. Soviet era recon drones implemented in the 1970s are being MacGyvered and turned into cruise missiles. Seems to heap praise on the Ukrainians.