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Kennah

(14,290 posts)
Mon Dec 5, 2022, 11:16 PM Dec 2022

Ukraine Pulled Ex-Soviet Recon Drones Out Of Storage, Added Bombs And Sent Them Toward Russia

Source: Forbes

The drones that Ukrainian forces used to strike two Russian bomber bases 300 miles inside Russia on Monday weren’t the satellite-controlled, missile-armed Bayraktar TB-2s that Ukraine acquired from Turkey.

No, they reportedly were Tupolev Tu-141s, ex-Soviet antiques that last saw front-line use in the 1980s, flying photo-reconnaissance missions for the Soviet air force.

As developments of the first-generation recon drones that the U.S. Air Force deployed in the Vietnam War, the jet-propelled Tu-141 wasn’t very sophisticated by 1980s standards. It’s even less sophisticated today.

But it’s simple, speedy and big enough to haul a warhead weighing hundreds of pounds, making it much more powerful than a TB-2 with its 49-pound missiles. The Tu-141 works. So it should come as no surprise that the Ukrainians are sending their Tu-141s on one-way missions to blow up Russian bombers.

Read more: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/12/05/ukraine-pulled-ex-soviet-recon-drones-out-of-storage-added-bombs-and-sent-them-hurtling-toward-russia/?sh=2e6b7d2a3348



Wicked repurposing by Ukraine.

And pathetic that Soviet era antiques aren't being stopped by Russian air defenses.
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Ukraine Pulled Ex-Soviet Recon Drones Out Of Storage, Added Bombs And Sent Them Toward Russia (Original Post) Kennah Dec 2022 OP
Ukrainians are MacGyvering this war with some velcro and tech antiques. ZonkerHarris Dec 2022 #1
Yes, I do believe they are Hekate Dec 2022 #5
Don't forget - Masking Tape! 👍 😉 Slava Ukraini! electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #13
Duct tape! That's the strong stuff. Ilsa Dec 2022 #18
Dang! Ty. 😄 I KNEW it Didn't Sound quite Right but couldn't figure it out. DUCT Tape it IS, then! electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #19
'The Red Green Show' Red Green is out of duct tape... sprinkleeninow Dec 2022 #22
😄 TY!... electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #24
😆 sprinkleeninow Dec 2022 #27
A race car owner back in the '60s KS Toronado Dec 2022 #36
Heh! There was that meme back in late Spring '20 w Dr Faucci & a duct taped electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #37
LOL, I remember that one KS Toronado Dec 2022 #40
TY! 😄 I couldn't quite remember the text. Truth! 👍 electric_blue68 Dec 2022 #43
In the Army we called it 100MPH tape jmowreader Dec 2022 #48
As the saying goes: If you can't fix it with duct tape... robbob Dec 2022 #52
You need cardboard too. BWdem4life Dec 2022 #29
dont forget zipties , twine . bailingwire and chicken wire, oh i almost forgot , bubble gum. AllaN01Bear Dec 2022 #49
Hey, whatever works! calimary Dec 2022 #25
Primitive cruise missiles! LudwigPastorius Dec 2022 #2
This is starting to resemble a cartoon.... Sogo Dec 2022 #3
Really like their "think outside the box" solutions. Excellent. n/t iluvtennis Dec 2022 #4
So, they were just returning Russian equipment to their rightful owners... Wounded Bear Dec 2022 #6
Your last sentence is disturbing. niyad Dec 2022 #7
I'm elated the Russians are performing so poorly, just a bit shocking still Kennah Dec 2022 #9
I'm shocked and elated too. Have you had the thought, like I have, that a Russian land war in..... EarnestPutz Dec 2022 #15
Very true Kennah Dec 2022 #17
Couldn't agree more. Even the part about the Border Patrol. EarnestPutz Dec 2022 #28
There's one LITTLE problem with that theory jmowreader Dec 2022 #50
I think all of the JBLM tanks are now in Oregon Kennah Dec 2022 #51
It is indeed. niyad Dec 2022 #30
It's important to keep cleaning out storage and return left items to their original owner. grantcart Dec 2022 #8
I can only imagine what they write on the missiles Kennah Dec 2022 #10
so what happens to nukes on a bomber struck by a drone? hmmm nt msongs Dec 2022 #11
They are supposed to be fairly safe Kennah Dec 2022 #12
The days of keeping bombers sarisataka Dec 2022 #32
When do they send one . . . . AverageOldGuy Dec 2022 #14
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2022 #16
Just sending them back home to Mother Russia Historic NY Dec 2022 #20
I just remember some Ukrainian fighters standing by a big pile of captured artillery shells Warpy Dec 2022 #21
Forgive my ignorance, but is it possible that the Russians could have -- via radar -- seen these fierywoman Dec 2022 #23
IFF wasnt a big thing to the soviets in the 80's....... getagrip_already Dec 2022 #35
Thanks! fierywoman Dec 2022 #42
Russians claim to have shot down Tu-141s before William Seger Dec 2022 #44
Thanks for the info. I never thought I was bloodthirsty until this Russian bs broke out!!! fierywoman Dec 2022 #47
But just barely subsonic EX500rider Dec 2022 #53
These drones are small targets that were flown in low to the ground. LudwigPastorius Dec 2022 #46
Ukrainian badassery! ancianita Dec 2022 #26
Dear old Shakespeare said it well. ChazInAz Dec 2022 #31
LMAO!!! Grimelle Dec 2022 #33
Forbes just repeating Russian claims FredGarvin Dec 2022 #34
Do you have information sarisataka Dec 2022 #38
Whatever they are new or old KS Toronado Dec 2022 #39
If it's Russian propaganda Kennah Dec 2022 #41
Creative Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2022 #45

electric_blue68

(14,923 posts)
24. 😄 TY!...
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:39 AM
Dec 2022

How does it go....


If it doesn't move, and it's supposed to use WD-40.

If it moves, and it's not supposed to use Duct tape.
👍

KS Toronado

(17,283 posts)
36. A race car owner back in the '60s
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:00 PM
Dec 2022

always called it "The 120 MPH Tape" after his hood latch got damaged and they duct taped the hood down.
And it can't fix stupid but it can muffle the sound

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
48. In the Army we called it 100MPH tape
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:55 AM
Dec 2022

That's because you could stick something to the side of a helicopter with it, fly 100MPH, and it wouldn't fall off.

AllaN01Bear

(18,307 posts)
49. dont forget zipties , twine . bailingwire and chicken wire, oh i almost forgot , bubble gum.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:04 AM
Dec 2022

yes bubble gum.

calimary

(81,373 posts)
25. Hey, whatever works!
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:43 AM
Dec 2022

Besides, if it’s”McGyver’d” together, I suspect that will be more challenging to figure out and attempt a response.

EarnestPutz

(2,120 posts)
15. I'm shocked and elated too. Have you had the thought, like I have, that a Russian land war in.....
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:49 AM
Dec 2022

......Europe has really exposed the weakness of their military? Both the equipment and the personnel, and perhaps especially the command and leadership. It bears no resemblance to a Tom Clancy-esque military juggernaut that we've been conditioned to expect.

Kennah

(14,290 posts)
17. Very true
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:59 AM
Dec 2022

Even before this, I recall in recent years talking with people about the capabilities of both Russia and China. When people fret about "Red Dawn", I point out that even back in the 1980s, the USSR did not have the capabilities to deliver heavy equipment to the US.

Some elite troops parachuting out of commercial aircraft, okay. Still very much a stretch, but ok.

But parachuting T80 tanks into the US? Or the military might of South and Central America invading? Puh-leeze.

Today, if Russia and China combined their efforts, they could invade Canada and send troops south into the US. The Border Patrol might have enough firepower to stop them. And every tank at every base in the western states would be moving on the Interstates to stop them. To go clean up whatever is left after bombers flatten them.

Russia's only real threat is nuclear.

Now China is much more of a threat, but they are still no match for the US.

jmowreader

(50,561 posts)
50. There's one LITTLE problem with that theory
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 01:04 AM
Dec 2022

The only US Armor units close enough to the border to solve the problem are a National Guard battalion in Puyallup, WA (south of Seattle) and one in Kalispell, MT. But...since what we'd almost certainly get are infantry units using stolen dump trucks as personnel carriers, there is plenty of infantry up here who could do the job. And our good friend Mother Deuce the .50-caliber machine gun - which infantry units have a lot of - would solve the problem with no issues.

Kennah

(14,290 posts)
51. I think all of the JBLM tanks are now in Oregon
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 03:44 AM
Dec 2022

but I can't imagine the Russians able to put tanks anywhere but Europe

Kennah

(14,290 posts)
12. They are supposed to be fairly safe
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:37 AM
Dec 2022

Soviet technology probably isn't a great safeguard, but my rudimentary understanding of nuclear fission seems to say we're safe

sarisataka

(18,705 posts)
32. The days of keeping bombers
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 10:32 AM
Dec 2022

At the ready with armed nukes is behind us, at the moment.

Even if they were armed, it takes a precise process to trigger a nuclear detonation. The conventional explosives in a bomb would go off and the nuclear material would be scattered. A mess but not a disaster.

Warpy

(111,302 posts)
21. I just remember some Ukrainian fighters standing by a big pile of captured artillery shells
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:19 AM
Dec 2022

and promising Russia that they'd be returned soon. Yes, the grins were evil.

Considering how much shit the Russians have abandoned when their lines have collapsed. I have to wonder how many of the 90,000+ Ukraine has claimed have been killed were killed by the stuff they left behind.

Plus, the more you learn about this war, the worse it gets and the more you know Russia won't survive in its present form.

Putin has too much to answer for. Russians are starting to ask the questions, too.

fierywoman

(7,687 posts)
23. Forgive my ignorance, but is it possible that the Russians could have -- via radar -- seen these
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:36 AM
Dec 2022

drones coming toward them and read/identified them as being one of theirs?

getagrip_already

(14,795 posts)
35. IFF wasnt a big thing to the soviets in the 80's.......
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:39 AM
Dec 2022

It's possible they spotted them on radar and were confused where they came/from or were going. But even if they wanted to shoot them down, they had moved most of the air defense pods (s300/s400) to ukraine to be used as ground pounding missiles.

But more than likely the radar operators were drunk or sleeping. And their commanders were likely mia.

So, pretty much the old saying goes: "We are luky they are so friggin stupid".......

William Seger

(10,779 posts)
44. Russians claim to have shot down Tu-141s before
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 02:07 PM
Dec 2022

... and considering they're subsonic and can't do evasive maneuvers, shooting them down should be pretty easy. It seems Ukraine has been trying to do one of these attacks since last spring, but this was apparently the first one that scored hits.

LudwigPastorius

(9,160 posts)
46. These drones are small targets that were flown in low to the ground.
Wed Dec 7, 2022, 12:13 AM
Dec 2022

That makes them difficult to "see" with ground based radar.

The Russians know that Ukraine doesn't have conventional cruise missiles, so they weren't actively looking for this type of attack.

ancianita

(36,126 posts)
26. Ukrainian badassery!
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:49 AM
Dec 2022

Outdated, out of sync weaponry has its stealth uses.

Maybe that's why some of our missile systems still run on floppy disks.

FredGarvin

(483 posts)
34. Forbes just repeating Russian claims
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 11:22 AM
Dec 2022

Russians are embarrassed that Ukraine has developed its own drone.

These drones were not ex-Soviet garbage, but newly designed weapons systems.

sarisataka

(18,705 posts)
38. Do you have information
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:08 PM
Dec 2022

That Ukraine is not using TU-141s but has developed a brand new system?

Please share.

KS Toronado

(17,283 posts)
39. Whatever they are new or old
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 12:20 PM
Dec 2022

They need to go after Russian oil refineries, electric power stations, water treatment plants all deep inside Russia
so the Russian people will experience first hand that Putler is getting his ass kicked. We know Russian State Media
isn't painting an honest picture of what's really happening in the war. If enough of them had to go without food,
gas, water, electricity, etc. we might see an uprising to kick him out of office.

Kennah

(14,290 posts)
41. If it's Russian propaganda
Tue Dec 6, 2022, 01:14 PM
Dec 2022

I'm seeing a fail in it. Soviet era recon drones implemented in the 1970s are being MacGyvered and turned into cruise missiles. Seems to heap praise on the Ukrainians.

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