Russia is grabbing men off the street to fight in Ukraine
Source: Washington Post
Police and military officers swooped down on a Moscow business center this past week unannounced. They were looking for men to fight in Ukraine and they seized nearly every one they saw. Some musicians, rehearsing. A courier there to deliver a parcel. A man from a Moscow service agency, very drunk, in his mid-50s, with a walking disability.
I have no idea why they took him, said Alexei, who, like dozens of others in the office complex, was rounded up and taken to the nearest military enlistment office, part of a harsh new phase in the Russian drive.
In cities and towns across Russia, men of fighting age are going into hiding to avoid the officials who are seizing them and sending them to fight in Ukraine.
Police and military press-gangs in recent days have snatched men off the streets and outside Metro stations. Theyve lurked in apartment building lobbies to hand out military summonses. Theyve raided office blocks and hostels. Theyve invaded cafes and restaurants, blocking the exits.
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/10/16/russia-mobilization-men/
walkingman
(7,628 posts)Lasher
(27,597 posts)But at least we didn't literally get snatched off the street.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)and the two years after that, which were the peak of that shit show. I don't think any of them ever came back here and having seen that, I don't expect many of the Russians who have left to go back to Russia, they're just done with a country that treats them that way.
The last thing I ever want to see in this country is any other president given full access to another generation of young men unless there has been an invasion onto our soil.
I'm a firm believer in an all volunteer army. That's what kept us out of a disastrous war against Iran in the 00s.
gay texan
(2,453 posts)ffr
(22,670 posts)Can we send the GOP sympathizers from here there to fill Putin's war recruitment quota?
Could cut through a lot of red tape for the MAGAs.
Traildogbob
(8,756 posts)Of citizenship, in a motherland that rejects all non whites. No libs, gays, trans, unions, lefty lying fake news. A paradise. Just serve, No stupid voting, ammo and guns provided, real military cloths, no Walmart camo. Everything they dream of. I say ship all the insurrectionist there and drop em ashore. I bet Putin would take them immediately.
Then send more weapons to Ukraine to take em all out. For the good of the world.
getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)Or boots or uniforms. Or food. Or sleeping bags tents. Or even transport.
Oh, and they charge your family for the cost of bringing your body back when you get killed.
Traildogbob
(8,756 posts)And trump loves Putin and his control over HIS military. HIS Generals. We could balance our. Budget here if we used those management skills for our military. Sounds like a Steve Bannon wet dream.
getagrip_already
(14,764 posts)Corruption keeps the troops from getting it.
So our deficit wouldn't shrink, but a lot of magats would be much richer.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)Traildogbob
(8,756 posts)They should do some Uncle Vlad Needs you recruiting commercials on the Tuckums show or all Fox shows. Come fight for the Motherland, Trump will March down to their CAPITAL with you.
All the trump militias could go play soldiers and do some shootin, for some freedom. Tell em they will be welcomed as liberators. Worked before.
Botany
(70,516 posts)30% of Russians do not have indoor plumbing and Putin is living billion dollar homes he got
by stealing money from the Russian people and now this shit?
LiberalFighter
(50,950 posts)ShazzieB
(16,426 posts)In fact, I'd be very surprised if they don't.
Botany
(70,516 posts)Russian Conscripts Killed Commander And Handed Arms To AFU Near Kherson
And some of the Belarusian and Chechen forces Putin brought in are now fighting w/the
Ukrainians against the Russians.
Some of Chechnya's Troops brought to Ukraine by Putin/Russia are fighting for Ukraine too.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/07/12/ukraine-chechen-fighters-russia/ Click on Link and look @ Chechen Mr. Bandera
.... Hello Ivan this fella wants to see you.
Chechen troops who are fighting for Ukraine. Those are some tough looking mother f*****s.
onetexan
(13,043 posts)& his lapdog Kadyrov. Slava Ukraini!
Botany
(70,516 posts).... and their families had their roots in Crimea until the Soviet Union/Russia deported them to
Chechnya or they moved to other countries and they now see this war as a chance to reclaim
their homeland. They are fearsome fighters and they don't like Russians.
onetexan
(13,043 posts)OnlinePoker
(5,722 posts)...from the cockpit. The plane couldn't leave and the flight was delayed by 7 hours. Hell of a way to run a war. It kind of reminds me of the opening scene of Enemy at the Gates where they just filled rail cars with untrained bodies and sent them to the front. Somehow, I doubt any of the Oligarch's sons are being rounded up for Putin's (mis)adventure.
erronis
(15,303 posts)Of course, the oligarch and the rest of his family are either already dead, going to be murdered, or have tried to find shelter in another country.
no_hypocrisy
(46,122 posts)He immigrated here to avoid conscription.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)Russia would be so much greater if it hadn't consistently for centuries forced many of its best and brightest to leave.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)Putin started to rise. He was 16 when they came over, now hes 37.
mahina
(17,668 posts)Thank you
erronis
(15,303 posts)I still don't get BFF, LOL.
IBGWTD
(Thank you very much! I better go walk the dog)
no_hypocrisy
(46,122 posts)BonnieJW
(2,265 posts)was a Jew in Czarist Russia. Jewish boys were conscripted into the Russian army at the age of 13 for a period of 25 years. It was a quiet way of extermination. Most 13 yo boys did not survive the march in winter to the training camps, let alone 25 years as a soldier. It's why Jewish families hid the birthdays of their sons. My grandfather never knew his birthday so he picked George Washington 's birthday after he and my grandmother emigrated to America
mucifer
(23,550 posts)Deserted the army during WW1. and somehow made it to Chicago where he had some family
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Never heard about that. Wonder if it was limited to just Russia.
Farmer-Rick
(10,185 posts)To drag men off the street, to force men into the military, to snatch up any man walking pass. To lurk in alleys and hallways waiting to snatch up men unaware. These are how Kings and Lords filled their military ranks. These Kingly powers are particularly useful for manning ships.
It's not like these people he's snatching up have lives, vote or have input into their Kleptocracy. They are useless eaters in Putin's eyes. Might as well use them as cannon fodder. And he's NOT paying them.
Trump looks on with envy.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,007 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,185 posts)It has a long history.
Corgigal
(9,291 posts)Worst two words I have read, lately, that have been put together.
Wow, Im am American. I cant imagine.
IronLionZion
(45,457 posts)there should be more support to remove him from office. When he has too many enemies, he can't arrest or kill all of them.
Aristus
(66,388 posts)I wonder if this will kill the fetish going on in Russia among some people calling for a return of the Tsar. A lot of those sheep, falling down and rendering glad hosannas in the churches and at the tombs of the Tsars, hoping for their return. I want to tell these hammerheads "Yeah, the Russian Revolution turned into a shit-show. But do you remember why they rose up in the first place? It wasn't because Nicholas II was considered a paragon of enlightened rule."
speak easy
(9,259 posts)et tu Brute
mahina
(17,668 posts)Right?
Lonestarblue
(10,011 posts)Fear of the police state is, of course, a powerful motivator to stay silent. Ive always been curious, though, about what action finally ignites quiet grumblings into a conflagration of protest. The protests in Iran erupted after the Morality Police beat a young woman to death for not wearing her head scarf properly. Other women have been harassed and hurt, and Irans regime has certainly killed many other citizens with its brutality. Why was this the spark?
And what could be the spark for Russians to finally acknowledge that their leader is unfit and is causing great damage to their country? Or are Russians too cowed ever to create any uprising, no matter what happens? From the outside looking in, they seem remarkably passive.
Haggard Celine
(16,846 posts)whether it's been a czar or Communist Party General Secretary or some other sort of monarchy. Same for Iran. They just don't have any experience or history to draw from when it comes to to comparing democracy with dictatorship. There are probably a lot of people who prefer a monarchy, just as long as it isn't too oppressive.
But it is interesting to see what is the catalyst that leads people to say enough is enough. What is the breaking point? Why now, after all these years? I think people can sense when there's a weakness, and they exploit it when they can. We'll see what becomes of it.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)ShazzieB
(16,426 posts)What a nightmare. What a godawful freaking nightmare. 😱
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Shop olive
(13 posts)He's a Russian citizen.
raccoon
(31,111 posts)This press-ganging is of ppl who were previously drafted = just about everybody.
Shop olive
(13 posts)theyre lying.
HubertHeaver
(2,522 posts)If they don't meet their quota, they fill it personally.
G2theD
(593 posts)Warpy
(111,277 posts)about a business that was hit by these goons a second time, that the goons demanded all men in the business be rounded up and the women looked at each other and told them women were all that were left there.
The guys who ran would seem to be the smart ones, they knew damned full well Putin is bonkers and this horror show was headed their way.
What the goons don't seem to realize is that they're next on the list, they're headed for the front, too. I don't fancy their longevity when they have to serve with the men they ripped out of jobs and off the street.
Imagine what conscription on this scale is going to do to the economy.
speak easy
(9,259 posts)What the goons do realize is that they're next on the list if they don't meet their quotas.
Warpy
(111,277 posts)and their usefulness ended except as more cannon fodder for Putin's holy war, which is what this is to him. He doesn't care what happens to Russia, he's got that paragraph from Gogol that says Russia will continue, no matter what, that runaway troika is unstoppable. He's got a stable of religious crackpots and charlatans who have convinced him Russia should rule Europe, presumably after it has killed off everybody else. Plus, he has his own megalomania, vanity and paranoia.
IOW, he's bonkers.
RussBLib
(9,020 posts)brush
(53,788 posts)using crimps to supply crews to ship captains.
patphil
(6,182 posts)We're not talking about a threat to Russia; no need to defend the motherland. This is an all out war of aggression against a nation that posed no threat to Russia...never a popular idea.
I can't think of a better way to poison Putin's popularity with his own people.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)surrender to Ukrainian forces and will be treated humanely.
onetexan
(13,043 posts)Be forced to shoot their leaders & surrender to the UKRs.
calimary
(81,322 posts)they get closer to the battle zone and then somehow fall back, or wander away, or disappear, or play dead, or seek shelter where they can join the Ukranians, or ...
Any way to take advantage of what must surely be quite a bit of chaos and disorganization as they're swooped up, given a few days "training," and then aimed at the eventual meat-grinder. I'd wonder about maybe falling back and kinda getting lost in the woods and then running for cover or hiding out until they can surrender to the other side?
Justice matters.
(6,933 posts)Imagine these civilians usually have a civilian job (if they have one).
Who's gonna replace them in the workforce??
orleans
(34,060 posts)just b/c trump is
so they support this crap?
can you just IMAGINE how they'd be crying and shitting bricks if our government collected them up from their miserable lives and tossed them into a fucking war zone?
IBEWVET
(217 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,829 posts)the Russian draft board
they wait in the lobby of your apt building
here they are chasing a new recruit through the parking lot.
planning ahead, they had guys further out in the parking lot.
running is part of the physical.
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Link to tweet
Smackdown2019
(1,188 posts)If they are that bad in recruitment, an overthrow or invasion into Russia heart would be an end-game. Sounds to me that he is fighting with Afghanistan USSR equipment, with an army that is ill-prepared against the men that FOUGHT in those Afghanistan USSR equipment. Needlessly to say, Russia will FALL by Christmas!