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iemanja

(53,035 posts)
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 05:38 PM Oct 2022

VP was in car accident; Secret Service first called it 'mechanical failure'

Source: Washington Post

A motorcade taking Vice President Harris to work was in a one-car accident on a closed roadway in D.C. Monday morning, an incident that concerned both the Secret Service director and the vice president and revived worries about the agency’s history of concealing its mistakes, according to two people familiar with the incident.

The Secret Service agent driving Harris in a sport utility vehicle struck the curb of a downtown tunnel hard enough that the vehicle’s tire needed to be replaced, bringing the motorcade to a standstill near Foggy Bottom at about 10:20 a.m., said the people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share internal discussions.

Harris had to be transferred to another vehicle in the motorcade so agents could safely spirit her to the White House. The routine nature of the travel and the high level of training required for agents who drive the president and vice president led many in the Secret Service, as well as Harris, to question how such an accident could happen.

The Secret Service also failed to note key details of the incident in an electronic message formally alerting senior leadership to the motorcade’s delay. The agency’s protective intelligence division reported that “a mechanical failure” in the lead car had forced agents to transfer Harris to another vehicle during a scheduled movement to the White House, according to details of the alert shared with The Washington Post.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/10/05/harris-motorcade-accident-secret-service/

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VP was in car accident; Secret Service first called it 'mechanical failure' (Original Post) iemanja Oct 2022 OP
Boy, sloppy driving Farmer-Rick Oct 2022 #1
and the Supreme Court 90-percent Oct 2022 #18
They really need to do a clean sweep PlutosHeart Oct 2022 #28
They need to clean up that agency, from the top down. nt Doremus Oct 2022 #2
Yep. Purge it! Sky Jewels Oct 2022 #26
My Spidey Sense is tingling... BadGimp Oct 2022 #3
The SS obviously lied. iemanja Oct 2022 #4
Right by a tunnel, hmmmm Marthe48 Oct 2022 #5
Or maybe it was practice Demanchor Oct 2022 #6
that is along the line of some of the comments to the article on wapo orleans Oct 2022 #35
It would be good to tell us the Harris was not injured in the first four paragraphs!! I do not riversedge Oct 2022 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author sakabatou Oct 2022 #8
Might help sakabatou Oct 2022 #9
Free WAPO article. GentryDixon Oct 2022 #16
The site I usually use BumRushDaShow Oct 2022 #10
Thank you so much. Much appreciated. riversedge Oct 2022 #44
Thought the exact same thing. InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 2022 #25
There must be a video record truthisfreedom Oct 2022 #11
I hope they did a sobriety test. liberalla Oct 2022 #12
All in favor of calling it a "mechanical failure" say aye. twodogsbarking Oct 2022 #13
The part which failed being the nut behind the wheel? soldierant Oct 2022 #40
! LudwigPastorius Oct 2022 #14
Is it really *that* egregious to not broadcast over airwaves that the VP's vehicle is inoperable? Hestia Oct 2022 #15
Mechanical failure also signals inoperable iemanja Oct 2022 #21
THIS is suspicious, to say the least. Warrants swift and intense investigation. Samrob Oct 2022 #17
In a tunnel. Gee, perfect for an ambush. calimary Oct 2022 #19
Glad I'm not the only one Marthe48 Oct 2022 #33
That's where Princess Diana died. calimary Oct 2022 #42
I remember hearing initial reports about Diana Marthe48 Oct 2022 #43
Video: Scene of the accident shelshaw Oct 2022 #20
SOMEBODY's getting reassigned COL Mustard Oct 2022 #22
The timing is suspicious Generic Brad Oct 2022 #23
They all need to be fired and replaced. ALL OF THEM. onecaliberal Oct 2022 #24
That can't be done in federal civil service. former9thward Oct 2022 #30
Trump got a lot of people in there. Those people and anyone associated ten ways from Kevin Bacon onecaliberal Oct 2022 #31
Of course it can be done Mysterian Oct 2022 #47
The poster I was replying to said they wanted them ALL fired. former9thward Oct 2022 #48
If a group of federal civil service employees commit malfeasance, Mysterian Oct 2022 #52
The poster I replied to and you are defending said they ALL should be fired. former9thward Oct 2022 #55
An entire group can be fired if they all commited malfeasance. Mysterian Oct 2022 #58
I used to think the SS was the best of the best. Sky Jewels Oct 2022 #27
🙄 whaaa..... 😑 electric_blue68 Oct 2022 #29
I'm not glued to the t.v. Marthe48 Oct 2022 #32
I used to drive that tunnel every day for years tonekat Oct 2022 #34
"None of those guys gave a damn about Obama's security" former9thward Oct 2022 #49
Hyperbolic, I know, but Princess Diana sprang immediately to mind. niyad Oct 2022 #36
I did - once - many years ago (sometime in the 90's it must have been.) soldierant Oct 2022 #41
So because you and your friends have hit a curb and did not blow a tire it stinks. former9thward Oct 2022 #50
And I was thinking about bill maher's ugly comments about VPOTUS that I niyad Oct 2022 #37
This is troubling Joinfortmill Oct 2022 #38
Driver needs to be demoted. LiberalFighter Oct 2022 #39
They blew a tire, it's stupid carelessness but there's no conspiracy here FakeNoose Oct 2022 #45
The problem is that the Secret Service lied iemanja Oct 2022 #46
Did they breathalyze the driver? FSogol Oct 2022 #51
Joking? Action_Patrol Oct 2022 #53
How many secret service agents have been removed from duty for being drunk in the last 10 years? FSogol Oct 2022 #56
I've read it. Action_Patrol Oct 2022 #57
So much hyperbole over this Action_Patrol Oct 2022 #54

Farmer-Rick

(10,192 posts)
1. Boy, sloppy driving
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 05:56 PM
Oct 2022

The Secret Service really needs to up their training and clean out TFG's supporters.

The Secret Service is supposed to be protect against many risks not create risks.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
18. and the Supreme Court
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 07:38 PM
Oct 2022

and the Supreme Court is supposed to defend our Constitutional Rights, not take them away. For the first time in the history of our nation, no less.

Sorry to be cynical, but I think this election will flip the USA from a Democracy to a Dictatorship. Oh the price we will all pay for "conservatives"* owning the libs.

-90% Jimmy

*Conservatives? There is nothing conservative about these modern conservatives. Anarchists is a more correct label for them these days.


and a few more synonyms, if i haven't made myself clear

terrorist
insurgent
insurrectionist
malcontent
mutineer
nihilist
rebel
revolter

Marthe48

(16,977 posts)
5. Right by a tunnel, hmmmm
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 06:04 PM
Oct 2022

Maybe there was a plan that didn't come off. I hope not, but it is easy for me to jump to conclusions.

Stay safe Madame V.P.

orleans

(34,062 posts)
35. that is along the line of some of the comments to the article on wapo
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 10:19 PM
Oct 2022

The secret service helped the attack on our government. How do you know this wasn’t a test run for coup part II?


IMO, it seems that too many Secret Service agents are "deep state" Trump supporters. If I were Biden / Harris I don't know if I'd trust those agents for my protection.


Somebody check the Secret Service’s text messages on this.


Time to revise the vetting process.


I suppose the G-men don't want to look weak or incompetent. This incident about Harris ride is much ado about nothing except for the white lies. The serious misrepresentation and lies should have been dealt harshly including firing.



i think the driver & anyone else lying/covering this shit up should be fired! the article on wapo mentioned a couple other times in obama era when ss really covered shit up.


riversedge

(70,253 posts)
7. It would be good to tell us the Harris was not injured in the first four paragraphs!! I do not
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 06:29 PM
Oct 2022

subscribe to WP and cannot read the remaining article but I assume she is ok since they did say she was transferred to another vehicle.

Response to riversedge (Reply #7)

BumRushDaShow

(129,165 posts)
10. The site I usually use
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 06:55 PM
Oct 2022

to get the no paywalls has been overloaded the past week or so but Wayback Machine has it here (although a bit messy with the ads all around it) -

https://web.archive.org/web/20221005213415/https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/10/05/harris-motorcade-accident-secret-service/

(I have a couple ad blockers blocking most of it so there are just bank boxes but you can try it anyway)

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
15. Is it really *that* egregious to not broadcast over airwaves that the VP's vehicle is inoperable?
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 07:24 PM
Oct 2022

Especially when someone posted to tiktok that the USSS had blocked the tunnel until the rim/wheel/tire was changed? Do we really want to notify the public as something happens, allowing every yahoo to run down there and cause some bigger problem over a traffic incident?

Supervisors/superiors were notified at the time of the incident; updates were posted afterwards on vehicle, VP's medical discharge -- all is well in the kingdom...



Samrob

(4,298 posts)
17. THIS is suspicious, to say the least. Warrants swift and intense investigation.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 07:35 PM
Oct 2022

I'm sorry. Yes, i do not put anything past the MAGA-Trumpians. Biden needs to have his security thoroughly re-vetted.

Harris would be the first step. I just don't like this!!! Get real folks! The next two decisions by the SCOTUS will tell you how worried we should be.

Follow me before you trash this thought. We are just weeks out from the election. Everyone says the GOP is almost certain to win the House. Now, tell me the line of succession IF we have neither a VP or President. I'm done!

calimary

(81,350 posts)
42. That's where Princess Diana died.
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 12:03 AM
Oct 2022

Racing into a Paris tunnel, being chased by paparazzi.

Shit, the more I think about it, the worrieder I get. There's so much that can go wrong in a tunnel, especially if radical cons have evil in mind. And escape routes are not exactly what you'd call plentiful inside a tunnel.

Marthe48

(16,977 posts)
43. I remember hearing initial reports about Diana
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 08:55 AM
Oct 2022

and following the story.

I thought the President and others could choose the people who comprise their body guard. I sure would. And vet the hell out of them.

COL Mustard

(5,906 posts)
22. SOMEBODY's getting reassigned
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 08:02 PM
Oct 2022

To Alaska, or Fresno, or whatever shithole office the Secret Service has.

Not good. Not good at all.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
23. The timing is suspicious
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 08:09 PM
Oct 2022

It happened on the same day Putin saying he had a hit list of anti-Russia leaders he could easily have killed and her name was on his hit list.

onecaliberal

(32,873 posts)
31. Trump got a lot of people in there. Those people and anyone associated ten ways from Kevin Bacon
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 09:27 PM
Oct 2022

Should be re-assigned to Siberia

former9thward

(32,030 posts)
48. The poster I was replying to said they wanted them ALL fired.
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 08:44 PM
Oct 2022

No, that can't be done. Why would you post a falsehood?

Mysterian

(4,588 posts)
52. If a group of federal civil service employees commit malfeasance,
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 10:06 AM
Oct 2022

all of them can be fired. You implied federal civil service employees cannot be fired and you know it. You still haven't explained why you posted a falsehood.

former9thward

(32,030 posts)
55. The poster I replied to and you are defending said they ALL should be fired.
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 11:56 AM
Oct 2022

That is what I replied to. That can't be done. You still haven't explained why you posted a falsehood.

Mysterian

(4,588 posts)
58. An entire group can be fired if they all commited malfeasance.
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 02:21 PM
Oct 2022

This is a fact and to state otherwise is a falsehood.

electric_blue68

(14,918 posts)
29. 🙄 whaaa..... 😑
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 09:02 PM
Oct 2022

Last edited Fri Oct 7, 2022, 12:07 PM - Edit history (1)

accident?

Maaaaybe, most likely. Still...



for incompetence or worse!

They need aserious relooking at NOW!
Tossed out on their ears if there's any pro drumphf stuff!!!

tonekat

(1,816 posts)
34. I used to drive that tunnel every day for years
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 10:05 PM
Oct 2022

It's not wide, it demands your attention and the ability to sort out which lanes at the other end go left and straight.

My ex's niece married a uniformed SS guy who worked during the Obama Admin, and he said none of those guys gave a damn about Obama's security. Nice.

former9thward

(32,030 posts)
49. "None of those guys gave a damn about Obama's security"
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 08:48 PM
Oct 2022

Why don't you tell the media about this? Since you have the name of a specific person they would jump on the story...

niyad

(113,463 posts)
36. Hyperbolic, I know, but Princess Diana sprang immediately to mind.
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 10:21 PM
Oct 2022

I have hit a curb in my little car, I have been with friends who hit curbs in their gaz-guzzling cars. NONE of us has ever blown a tire. And none of us have that supposed level of driver training.

Story stinks.

soldierant

(6,896 posts)
41. I did - once - many years ago (sometime in the 90's it must have been.)
Wed Oct 5, 2022, 11:05 PM
Oct 2022

But I agree it's not routine. Every other time I've had any tire damage from a curb it was a slow leak. I have astigmatism, and while my glasses correct it, they really can't completely eliminate it.

former9thward

(32,030 posts)
50. So because you and your friends have hit a curb and did not blow a tire it stinks.
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 08:54 PM
Oct 2022

Did you hit it with the angle and speed the Harris car did? And much more important did your car(s) weigh as much as the VP car which has all sorts of protective, medical and communication equipment in and on it that your cars don't have? A heavy car will blow a tire much easier than a lighter car.

FakeNoose

(32,659 posts)
45. They blew a tire, it's stupid carelessness but there's no conspiracy here
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 01:28 PM
Oct 2022

Everyone is fine, VP Harris was never in danger. Nothing to see here.

iemanja

(53,035 posts)
46. The problem is that the Secret Service lied
Thu Oct 6, 2022, 02:09 PM
Oct 2022

They blew the tire only after running into a curb. That's not a mechanical failure. Though I don't buy the idea it was an assassination plot. If they wanted to kill the VP, they could have gotten a lot closer to doing so.

FSogol

(45,493 posts)
56. How many secret service agents have been removed from duty for being drunk in the last 10 years?
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 11:58 AM
Oct 2022

That we know about? I'm sure there are more that just squeaked by.

Here's a book rec for you: Zero Fail: The Rise and Fall of the Secret Service by Carol D. Leonnig

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
54. So much hyperbole over this
Fri Oct 7, 2022, 11:09 AM
Oct 2022

Sometimes an accident is a accident. An armored truck weighs 5 tons and doesn’t handle like a normal vehicle.

This doesn’t seem like much of a story.

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