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Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:44 PM

Huge Arizona school voucher plan in effect after foes fail

Source: LA Times

All Arizona parents now can use state tax money to send their children to private or religious schools or pay homeschooling costs after an effort by public school advocates to block a massive expansion of the state's private school voucher law failed to collect enough signatures to block it.

Arizona Secretary of State Katie Hobbs announced Friday that her office's review of signatures turned in a week ago to refer the expansion to the ballot came up short of the nearly 119,000 that were needed. Hobbs is a Democrat running for governor who opposed the plan.

Republican Gov. Doug Ducey championed the plan and signed it into law in July. He celebrated on Twitter, saying, “Let's Roll!” and “Parents Prevail.”

Arizona now has the nation's most expansive private school voucher law. It allows parents of the more than 1.2 million school-age children to get 90% of the state money that would normally go to their local public school and use it for private or other school costs. That amounts to about $7,000 for a non-disabled student.

Read more: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/huge-arizona-school-voucher-plan-in-effect-after-foes-fail/ar-AA12s6Ro

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Reply Huge Arizona school voucher plan in effect after foes fail (Original post)
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 30 OP
bucolic_frolic Sep 30 #1
Mr.Bill Sep 30 #2
Archae Oct 1 #17
Evolve Dammit Sep 30 #3
Loki Liesmith Oct 1 #20
former9thward Oct 1 #22
certainot Oct 2 #30
Evolve Dammit Oct 2 #32
certainot Oct 2 #34
Evolve Dammit Oct 2 #35
Lonestarblue Sep 30 #4
certainot Oct 2 #29
Evolve Dammit Oct 2 #33
BOSSHOG Sep 30 #5
TheRickles Sep 30 #6
marybourg Sep 30 #8
dsc Sep 30 #10
former9thward Oct 1 #23
marybourg Oct 1 #24
former9thward Oct 1 #25
iluvtennis Sep 30 #7
NullTuples Oct 2 #26
iluvtennis Oct 2 #28
raging moderate Sep 30 #9
BOSSHOG Sep 30 #11
Sky Jewels Sep 30 #12
cbabe Sep 30 #13
ashredux Sep 30 #14
mountain grammy Sep 30 #15
ZonkerHarris Oct 1 #16
twodogsbarking Oct 1 #18
hunter Oct 1 #19
BlueIdaho Oct 1 #21
LuckyLib Oct 2 #27
sakabatou Oct 2 #31

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 06:48 PM

1. Will the kids be able to read, write, and use logic? Or only just "believe" in everything?

We spend more money and only produce the dumbest kids ever.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:02 PM

2. Gee, I can't wait to see

what pops up and calls itself a school.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #2)

Sat Oct 1, 2022, 06:10 AM

17. I know, so many "charter" schools fail, and the people running it take off with the money.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:06 PM

3. Fascism is here in AZ, as stated previously by AZ former party leaders. Bye to public ed.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #3)

Sat Oct 1, 2022, 05:22 PM

20. Why are voucher-based school choice programs fascist?

I don’t think they are a good idea but I don’t think they are fascist.

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #20)

Sat Oct 1, 2022, 08:06 PM

22. Some are calling anything they don't like "fascist".

Soon the word will have no meaning if that has not happened already.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #3)

Sun Oct 2, 2022, 08:51 AM

30. it's a talk radio state, with the anti immigration racism on those stations playing a big part

get AZ state to drop the ex-limbaugh station it broadcasts sports on and a lot of those stations will start losing advertisers

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Response to certainot (Reply #30)

Sun Oct 2, 2022, 05:08 PM

32. Damage done. They have been indoctrinated.

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Response to Evolve Dammit (Reply #32)

Sun Oct 2, 2022, 05:31 PM

34. one way to fix some of it might be to expose/investigate how much putin used it/limbaugh

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Response to certainot (Reply #34)

Sun Oct 2, 2022, 06:44 PM

35. I've always wondered why it was all "un-checked" for 40 years. Very strange IMHO

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:08 PM

4. One more nail in the coffin of public schooling.

The goal is extremist Christian schools only, funded by taxpayers. Within a couple decades of that, we’ll be Afghanistan for all women—no education needed when all you’re allowed to do is be raped and make babies.

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Response to Lonestarblue (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 2, 2022, 08:46 AM

29. 30 years of ignoring 1500 radio stations manned by a few hundred coordinated dropouts yelling

to defund it because education and teachers suck - what else was supposed to happen?

ironically, hundreds of those stations depend on hundreds of universities and college sports programs while they do it - including 5 universities in florida that endorse 20 of those stations that have also been denying global warming for 30 years.....

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Response to certainot (Reply #29)

Sun Oct 2, 2022, 05:09 PM

33. And Armed Forces Radio (for 40 years)

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:12 PM

5. I guess churches are all for doing away with the separation of church and state

Since they have no respect for it now. Ya want more tax money for your theocratic studies, welcome assessors into your cathedrals. I

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:12 PM

6. I wonder if there were any shenanigans in counting the 119,000 signatures, even with a Dem SoS.

Usually petition drives aim for far more than the minimum of signatures required. What happened here?

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Response to TheRickles (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:22 PM

8. I'm registered Dem. Nobody came to my door to try to get a petition signed, nor

did anyone who knows I’m a Dem call me to arrange for me to sign a petition, nor did I ever see a petition table at my local supermarket or pharmacy. And that’s pretty much as far as I go nowadays. So, not a sufficiently aggressive petition drive. And that’s pretty much been my experience with petition drives in AZ

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Response to marybourg (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:32 PM

10. They only had 80 days thanks to Ducey delaying the signing of the law

and this was a second time since they had done this once before in 2018 meaning it was likely harder to get signatures.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 1, 2022, 08:18 PM

23. Who is going to do all the things you mention?

Its volunteer work. In the hot Arizona summer. Would you want to go door to door in the heat? Sit at a supermarket parking lot table in the heat?

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Response to former9thward (Reply #23)

Sat Oct 1, 2022, 09:17 PM

24. Then phone calls to registered Dems to sign by arrangement. I check my L.D.

website from time to time. Never saw anything about it. And yes, I did walk my precinct here in the heat when I was younger (drove from block to block, and walked the block).

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Response to marybourg (Reply #24)

Sat Oct 1, 2022, 09:32 PM

25. Somebody has to do the "arrangemnt".

Someone has to get into their car and travel to a home to get one or two signatures. Out of about 200,000 needed to get past a challenge. Who is going to do that? All in a very short time period. Most LD meetings are full of older people. Young not so much.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:15 PM

7. We need public schools. These vouchers only benefit the rich as

the vouchers aren’t enough to cover private school education for even a full semester,let alone the entire school year. At least that was the case for me in San Jose, CA. Private school was $36,000 for the year and the voucher was for as for $3000.

Needless to say we enrolled our two kids in a public charter school where they got an very good education.

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Response to iluvtennis (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 2, 2022, 12:01 AM

26. That's where pop up schools come in. Also, note that homeschooling was included.

The numbers from a recent Census Bureau report said Arizona spent $8,785 per pupil in 2020, ahead of only Utah and Idaho that year. And it was dead last – 51st among states and the District of Columbia – when it came to the amount spent on actual instruction, at $4,801 per pupil.

https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2022/05/24/arizona-near-bottom-per-pupil-spending.html#:~:text=The%20numbers%20from%20a%20recent,instruction,%20at%20$4,801%20per%20pupil.

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Response to NullTuples (Reply #26)

Sun Oct 2, 2022, 01:31 AM

28. Thanks for the link. n/t

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:29 PM

9. Will these schools teach students that the Earth is flat?

These schools won't have to try to explain how cell phones and other modern world communication systems work, if the round Earth theory is as false as they claim it is. They can just omit that uncomfortable truth from the curriculum. The same goes for the germ theory of disease. And the theory that humans are all members of the same species. They could teach the children that the smallpox vaccine caused tiny cows to pop out all over people's skin. Etc. Etc. This is not good.

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Response to raging moderate (Reply #9)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 07:38 PM

11. And the only text needed for sex education

Will be the Old Testament.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 08:09 PM

12. Fuuuuuuuuuck.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 08:11 PM

13. No jobs for the poorly educated in high tech economy.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 08:49 PM

14. That's just bullshit.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Sep 30, 2022, 09:18 PM

15. I listened to an interview with

the president of the Florida Education Association, Andrew Spar. Great interview.

He talked about the effect of vouchers and other attempts to change public education. The bottom line, he said, was decades ago 90% of students attended public schools. Today 90% of students attend public schools.
Most Americans aren't rich. A $7000 voucher will not pay for private school. It's a terrible idea because republicans only have terrible ideas. The best way to educate the populace is in public schools. Most Americans know that.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2022, 02:20 AM

16. I guarantee tuition at every private school in AZ just went up $7,000.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2022, 06:27 AM

18. It ain't just about the money.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2022, 08:27 AM

19. This seems like a good business for the drug cartels to get into.

It would be a great way to launder money and create new customers.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Oct 1, 2022, 06:57 PM

21. Killing public education

Means killing America. Greedy assholes. 😡

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Oct 2, 2022, 01:21 AM

27. Arizona has a history of devaluing education. At the bottom of teacher salaries in the 70's,

I read it was a state that had a difficult time recruiting teachers. Probably still does.

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sun Oct 2, 2022, 10:25 AM

31. More bloodsucking private schools to suck public school money dry

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