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BumRushDaShow

(129,925 posts)
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 07:59 PM Sep 2022

Material on foreign nation's nuclear capabilities seized at Trump's Mar-a-Lago

Source: Washington Post

A document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities, was found by FBI agents who searched former president Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and private club last month, according to people familiar with the matter, underscoring concerns among U.S. intelligence officials about classified material stashed in the Florida property.

Some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them. Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet level official could authorize other government officials to know details of these special access programs, according to people familiar with the search, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe sensitive details of an ongoing investigation.

Documents about such highly classified operations require special clearances on a need-to-know basis, not just top-secret clearance. Some special-access programs can have as few as a couple dozen government personnel authorized to know of an operation’s existence. Records that deal with such programs are kept under lock and key, almost always in a secure compartmented information facility, with a designated control officer to keep careful tabs on their location. But such documents were stored at Mar-a-Lago, with uncertain security, more than 18 months after Trump left the White House.

After months of trying, according to government court filings, the FBI has recovered more than 300 classified documents from Mar-a-Lago this year: 184 in a set of 15 boxes sent to the National Archives and Records Administration in January, 38 more handed over by a Trump lawyer to investigators in June, and more than 100 additional documents unearthed in a court-approved search on Aug. 8.

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/06/trump-nuclear-documents/



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Material on foreign nation's nuclear capabilities seized at Trump's Mar-a-Lago (Original Post) BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 OP
K&R for exposure Blue Owl Sep 2022 #1
"Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet level official..." NullTuples Sep 2022 #2
What if it was Russia? gab13by13 Sep 2022 #14
Israel. Just a guess also. yonder Sep 2022 #15
A good guess. paleotn Sep 2022 #36
Mosad can have him Ponietz Sep 2022 #52
$2 billion. James48 Sep 2022 #60
My Guess As Well DallasNE Sep 2022 #77
Of course. That would make more strategic sense. NullTuples Sep 2022 #79
Jared for sure. Lasher Sep 2022 #31
Four alarm fire status! But a lame duck Trump appointee Quid-Pro-Quo ffr Sep 2022 #3
They are too stoopid to even realize it's THEIR lives at risk too!! Justice matters. Sep 2022 #76
Just terrific. Dare I hope this might garner some attention? Nah! nt babylonsister Sep 2022 #4
Chris Hayes just mentioned this on his show BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #5
Yes, I heard it there first. Weissman was beside himself. babylonsister Sep 2022 #7
Everytime they peel back a layer, it just gets worse and worse BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #8
This has to be beyond belief for so many. I babylonsister Sep 2022 #19
And there is no bottom. pandr32 Sep 2022 #34
Ain't that the truth! BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #35
That motherfucker is not content with setting fire to America Novara Sep 2022 #6
That's why the evangelicals worship him. SergeStorms Sep 2022 #61
"...history books that only Democrats can read." CrispyQ Sep 2022 #85
But the Master hasn't reviewed it yet. Thanks judge cannon BOSSHOG Sep 2022 #9
Exactly. How the hell can they find a "master" with enough clearance to review all of them? paleotn Sep 2022 #38
Delay that thing "judge" cannon BOSSHOG Sep 2022 #45
Let us hope. She's tread on very dangerous territory.... paleotn Sep 2022 #47
This is the kind of information that can reveal the identities of sources. mn9driver Sep 2022 #10
I wonder if he sold our info on Iran to the Saudis. prodigitalson Sep 2022 #11
Exactly... I even think the UAE and Saudis initially helped the Trump campaign... AntiFascist Sep 2022 #21
Another good possibility. paleotn Sep 2022 #40
Israeli nukes, Saudi paid Jerrod & gave Trump a golf tournament. OrangeJoe Sep 2022 #12
First thing I thought too. hedda_foil Sep 2022 #72
Now we know what they paid $2B for n/t Strelnikov_ Sep 2022 #78
Kick dalton99a Sep 2022 #13
And this is just the stuff they can (sort of) tell us about. tinrobot Sep 2022 #16
Do not dismiss it may have been Russia, gab13by13 Sep 2022 #17
More likely he's giving Putin other countries' nuke capabilities. Liberty Belle Sep 2022 #62
The FBI should get right on this gab13by13 Sep 2022 #18
No. They could indict him tonight. Novara Sep 2022 #20
I'm talking only about the nuclear documents, gab13by13 Sep 2022 #24
But he can easily be indicted on obstruction right now Novara Sep 2022 #30
You are preaching to the choir, gab13by13 Sep 2022 #33
Arrest? Execute the bastard like the Rosenbergs. HillbillyDaoist Sep 2022 #95
👍 sprinkleeninow Sep 2022 #63
That's what I've been saying. Arrest Now, add charges later as warranted. msfiddlestix Sep 2022 #88
Preaching to the choir. Novara Sep 2022 #90
Right? I feel confident Blinken is doing the best he can, msfiddlestix Sep 2022 #92
+1 K& R!! onetexan Sep 2022 #99
👍 sprinkleeninow Sep 2022 #64
This message was self-deleted by its author paleotn Sep 2022 #44
I hope to hell she can be overruled. nt babylonsister Sep 2022 #22
It normally depends who (which agency) "owns" that info BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #23
I will come back and post a link, gab13by13 Sep 2022 #28
Not just FBI BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #32
Those agencies are going to have to work with the FBI, gab13by13 Sep 2022 #48
DOD has bigger fish to fry BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #56
WHO would have a clearance to view these Pas-de-Calais Sep 2022 #25
There can only be a handful of people, gab13by13 Sep 2022 #51
or maybe Harris, or H Clinton HighFired49 Sep 2022 #74
Our allies must be horrified by all this tishaLA Sep 2022 #26
This is a major international security issue Novara Sep 2022 #37
I want to know what it will take for MAGA cult members to realize that this is VERY, VERY BAD, what LaMouffette Sep 2022 #27
Absolutely nothing will penetrate durablend Sep 2022 #42
Maybe if they dig up Ivana and find top secret documents there? Oh, wait, they'll just say the FBI LaMouffette Sep 2022 #46
I apologize for Raw Story, but they quote reputable people. gab13by13 Sep 2022 #29
How long ago was it, gab13by13 Sep 2022 #39
Who directed/aided TFG in determining which files to remove from the archives? EarthFirst Sep 2022 #41
I think Kash Patel and John Solomon were the Gofers. gab13by13 Sep 2022 #49
Agreed on Patel. For the brains, my money's on Flynn. nt crickets Sep 2022 #96
Maybe Putin had this as his goal all along. State secrets. rubbersole Sep 2022 #43
There are heads that need to roll, not just Trump's... Shipwack Sep 2022 #50
I agree with all that nt prodigitalson Sep 2022 #80
The immediate words that came to my mind reminded me of one of the better jokes my dad told me. TeamProg Sep 2022 #53
The big question is which nation is it. ificandream Sep 2022 #54
I say Russia, gab13by13 Sep 2022 #57
He loves Russia and Putin too much to have that info. ificandream Sep 2022 #94
Holy Shite! mcar Sep 2022 #55
Iran or China or N. Korea or Russia are my guesses. Trump likes the Hot Spots.. n/t TeamProg Sep 2022 #58
He'd be afraid to cross Putin by selling Russian nuke secrets to others. Liberty Belle Sep 2022 #65
I disagree with this statement: He'd be afraid to cross.. TeamProg Sep 2022 #68
Surely FISA Warrant(s) have already been authorized Ponietz Sep 2022 #59
k& r AllaN01Bear Sep 2022 #66
Was the "document" classified or secret? CaptainTruth Sep 2022 #67
"Read carefully, my friends." BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #73
I did. I read it all. Nothing in that article answers my question. CaptainTruth Sep 2022 #86
After my time in government... Grins Sep 2022 #69
LOVE this stuff is leaking out after the MAGA judge ruling Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2022 #70
Many people are saying that Trump & Jared sold out Israel to the Saudis. LudwigPastorius Sep 2022 #71
K&R Bayard Sep 2022 #75
One aspect of this all that I haven't seen anyone talking about . . . Richard D Sep 2022 #81
How the hell is he not in an interrogation room after this document scandal? Brainfodder Sep 2022 #82
We need to call it what it is: a major international incident Novara Sep 2022 #83
Well the docs must not be that sensitive cuz he's still walking free & shooting off his mouth. -nt CrispyQ Sep 2022 #84
Imagine if you were the head of the country whose information was breached ... Novara Sep 2022 #87
I've gone full circle on this. crickets Sep 2022 #97
"After this latest bombshell, I don't think waiting another moment is safe. " Novara Sep 2022 #98
✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ msfiddlestix Sep 2022 #89
Not just him but wonder the same regarding Dan Coats BumRushDaShow Sep 2022 #91
hmm. you know I never considered Coats to be a traitor, but one never knows for sure. Ratcliff... msfiddlestix Sep 2022 #93

NullTuples

(6,017 posts)
2. "Only the president, some members of his Cabinet or a near-Cabinet level official..."
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 08:02 PM
Sep 2022

So, Ivanka and Jared, then?

Also, I'm thinking it was France. No real reason, just a guess.

paleotn

(18,003 posts)
36. A good guess.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:20 PM
Sep 2022

We sometimes spy on our friends as well as our adversaries. Prudence demands it. And Israel has done the same to us for the same reason.

DallasNE

(7,404 posts)
77. My Guess As Well
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 12:09 AM
Sep 2022

With Israel being the nuclear country. Remember Trump already outed an Israeli spy.

Lasher

(27,664 posts)
31. Jared for sure.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:12 PM
Sep 2022

He couldn't pass the smell test for a security clearance, but TFG overrode them and gave him one anyway. His appetite for classified information knew no bounds. He kept asking for more.

ffr

(22,676 posts)
3. Four alarm fire status! But a lame duck Trump appointee Quid-Pro-Quo
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 08:04 PM
Sep 2022

comes to his side.

Meanwhile a nation can no longer sleep at night for fear of the secrets TFG STOLE!

Too fucking bad, America. Republicans don't give a shit about your lives.

babylonsister

(171,107 posts)
7. Yes, I heard it there first. Weissman was beside himself.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 08:22 PM
Sep 2022

Something's gotta give, seems untenable, but isn't it all.

BumRushDaShow

(129,925 posts)
8. Everytime they peel back a layer, it just gets worse and worse
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 08:29 PM
Sep 2022

But then I think many of us expected this might have gone on with that administration after the 2016 election but I guess hoped that it wouldn't devolve to such a degree, and there would be a few with a clue who still cared about protecting the integrity of the nation. Some did but then they were "removed" and opportunistic loons were brought in.

babylonsister

(171,107 posts)
19. This has to be beyond belief for so many. I
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 08:50 PM
Sep 2022

don't know who could have predicted it yet it makes so much sense. I hesitate to be optimistic, but I will be anyway. Seems I have no other choice.

pandr32

(11,638 posts)
34. And there is no bottom.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:15 PM
Sep 2022

TFG, and all his MAGAts have sunk so far beneath pond scum they are finding their way right through the core of the earth. With any luck they may come out again in N Korea.

Novara

(5,870 posts)
6. That motherfucker is not content with setting fire to America
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 08:22 PM
Sep 2022

He's got to destroy other nations as well.

No other nations will ever trust us again ... and with good reason.

What was he going to do, use it as blackmail? Against an ally?

Jeebus fucking shit, man. Arrest the motherfucker now.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
61. That's why the evangelicals worship him.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 10:12 PM
Sep 2022

He's going to hasten Armageddon one way or another, and that gets the god squad all wet and squishy.

Trump doesn't give a shit in his diapers about all that, he just wants to get his name in history books that only Democrats can read.

BOSSHOG

(37,150 posts)
45. Delay that thing "judge" cannon
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:34 PM
Sep 2022

The essence of what she is delaying will trickle out. He’s touched your career “judge” and you will find out what he touches dies. You will live in infamy along with trump steaks.

It’s like the Kansas Catholic Republican crime alliance scheduling a vote on an amendment during a primary election. What could possibly go wrong?

paleotn

(18,003 posts)
47. Let us hope. She's tread on very dangerous territory....
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:36 PM
Sep 2022

I still can't believe she ruled as she did. Insanity given the gravity of what he had.

mn9driver

(4,429 posts)
10. This is the kind of information that can reveal the identities of sources.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 08:41 PM
Sep 2022

The precise capabilities of second tier nuclear powers are extremely closely held. Uncertainty is a big part of their nuclear deterrent.

Just imagine if Saudi Arabia knew exactly what Israel’s capability was. That might be worth a couple $billion to them.

AntiFascist

(12,792 posts)
21. Exactly... I even think the UAE and Saudis initially helped the Trump campaign...
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 08:56 PM
Sep 2022

so that he would turn over nuclear technology and secrets:

The Blackwater founder arranged an August 2016 meeting at Trump Tower in New York between Nader, Donald Trump Jr., and an Israeli social media specialist, Joel Zamel. At that encounter–two months after a notorious Trump Tower meeting at which a Russian attorney offered damaging material on Hillary Clinton–Nader told Trump Jr. that the princes who led the UAE and Saudi Arabia were eager to help his father win the election. Zamel pitched Trump Jr. on a multimillion-dollar social media manipulation campaign run by his company PSY-Group...


https://www.fastcompany.com/90233994/how-a-secret-seychelles-meeting-signaled-the-uae-pull-in-trump-d-c

tinrobot

(10,927 posts)
16. And this is just the stuff they can (sort of) tell us about.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 08:46 PM
Sep 2022

I can only imagine what the non-disclosed documents contain.

gab13by13

(21,483 posts)
17. Do not dismiss it may have been Russia,
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 08:47 PM
Sep 2022

Wouldn't Putin like to know what we know about his nuclear capabilities?

gab13by13

(21,483 posts)
24. I'm talking only about the nuclear documents,
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:04 PM
Sep 2022

the FBI is going to have to do an extensive investigation starting with chain of custody of the documents. Judge Cannon could hamper their investigation.

I am not alone Novara, I welcome your post. Every time I post that DOJ should indict Trump I get blowback. Pretty soon it will be 60 days prior to the election which probably means that a Trump indictment can't happen for 3 or 4 months.

Trump should have been indicted the same day that DOJ found out he stole classified documents. Some of our murdered foreign assets may still be alive today.

Novara

(5,870 posts)
30. But he can easily be indicted on obstruction right now
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:11 PM
Sep 2022

Add more charges later, as warranted. But he can be arrested NOW for obstruction at least. Lock him up so he can't destroy another country as well as our own. Arrest him for stealing classified information. Arrest him for illegally having unsecured classified information and lying about it.

Just areest him. Add more charges later.

gab13by13

(21,483 posts)
33. You are preaching to the choir,
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:13 PM
Sep 2022

I have said the exact same thing. Today I posted that Thom Hartmann said that Trump needed to be arrested and I was nearly crucified.

 

HillbillyDaoist

(93 posts)
95. Arrest? Execute the bastard like the Rosenbergs.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 03:33 PM
Sep 2022

Pretty obvious he has been a far more dangerous traitor than Ethel and Julius.

msfiddlestix

(7,288 posts)
88. That's what I've been saying. Arrest Now, add charges later as warranted.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 12:22 PM
Sep 2022

There are many precedents over my lifetime of 72 years of Prosecutors proceeding accordingly...

Investigations and separate charges continue and are prosecuted as warranted, either added or tried separately.


By the way, has Trump's appointed DNI, former Senator Ratcliff's name ever been mentioned in these findings to your knowledge?

Novara

(5,870 posts)
90. Preaching to the choir.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 12:29 PM
Sep 2022

For the sake of international relations we need to arrest him now, because it looks like America doesn't give a shit he had some other country's secret military information for a year and a half doing fuck knows what with it, and we're letting him walk free.

I posted it elsewhere but imagine if you're that country and you're watching America not take this threat to your country very seriously. At the very LEAST I hope Blinken is talking to this country NOW.

And no, I haven't heard Ratcliffe being talked about in relation to this at all.

msfiddlestix

(7,288 posts)
92. Right? I feel confident Blinken is doing the best he can,
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 12:42 PM
Sep 2022

I wouldn't want to be him, or see anyone else other than Blinken dealing with it.

I can't even begin to imagine how incredibly difficult the work of smoothing feathers and restoring confidences, putting out fires...

etc etc etc. just mind numbing to think about it.

Response to Novara (Reply #20)

BumRushDaShow

(129,925 posts)
23. It normally depends who (which agency) "owns" that info
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:02 PM
Sep 2022

So say if that is DOD''s property (info) or NSA's property (info), then they would be the ones to act (although they could request FBI assistance if needed to work as part of some kind of team). I don't know what the scope is of that Cannon order.

gab13by13

(21,483 posts)
28. I will come back and post a link,
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:08 PM
Sep 2022

Former Pentagon special counsel Ryan Goodman said, "Hugely important for prosecution of Espionage Act. Many people are behind bars for far, far less."

"The doc with nuclear intelligence information also means we need our country’s full FBI etc resources to investigate, including tracking chain of custody, damage assessment, remediation. But…Judge Cannon’s order and injunction has thrown wrench into that," Goodman added. "Deeply unnerving."

BumRushDaShow

(129,925 posts)
32. Not just FBI
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:13 PM
Sep 2022

It's DOD (including the NSA which is under DOD), DOE, State Department, etc.

The FBI doesn't have "personal knowledge" of these topics of info but the owners of them do. They form "cross-cutting teams" in order to do this.

Watching Brennan right now on Alex Wagner's show describing this and how like when he as CIA Director, even he didn't even have access to certain things...

gab13by13

(21,483 posts)
48. Those agencies are going to have to work with the FBI,
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:37 PM
Sep 2022

DOD can't go to the FBI and ask if they found fingerprints or DNA on the documents because of Cannon. Judge Cannon hampered this investigation. DOJ needs to go to the Appeals court and ask for an immediate injunction to Cannon's stay. This is BS, it involves national security.

BumRushDaShow

(129,925 posts)
56. DOD has bigger fish to fry
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:55 PM
Sep 2022

and anyone who works in the government either has a PIV (Personal Identity Verification) or a CaC (DOD's Common Access Card) and these have biometric and other PII (Personal Identifiable Information) on them burned into RF chips that are on those cards (which as a minimum includes an employee's or contractor's finger prints). So wherever anyone using a card goes, this is a record of it.

They have systems/logs to track who accessed what and when. THAT is what they and other agencies caught up in this, will need to investigate and compile and it's not something that the FBI would have access to - it would be given to the FBI by those affected agencies/departments. So while DOJ is deciding how to proceed, that is not stopping other agencies from doing what they need to do to gather the evidence they have.

All of this is still at the beginning of the evidence/data gathering...

HighFired49

(351 posts)
74. or maybe Harris, or H Clinton
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 11:33 PM
Sep 2022
Very few others. I don't think anyone but the current president's cabinet and federal agencies have a right or a reason to see the secret files. If they are marked secret, they should not have been in Dump's possession. If there are files that are not marked as secret, let the SM see them, and then require that they be sent to the National Archives, according to law. It's beyond me as to why the ignorant asshole (Dump) wants to prove that he broke the law and took top secret documents, but under no circumstance should they be returned to Dump. The whole request for a Special Master makes no sense, especially since the FBI has said that they have already reviewed all of the papers.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
26. Our allies must be horrified by all this
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:06 PM
Sep 2022

Imagine being one of the nations that shares intel with the US. The Five Eyes allies must be ready to strangle people.

Novara

(5,870 posts)
37. This is a major international security issue
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:20 PM
Sep 2022

Why should other nations ever trust the US?

Could another country arrest him for stealing their nuclear secrets?

LaMouffette

(2,042 posts)
27. I want to know what it will take for MAGA cult members to realize that this is VERY, VERY BAD, what
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:08 PM
Sep 2022

their cult leader has done.

It will have to be something "HUUUGE" to be able to cut through the constant bullshit coming at them from the GOP and rightwing media. It will have to be a videotape of Trump actually hand-delivering documents to Putin or the Saudi prince, with audio of them yucking it up over how they pulled off the most egregious security breach in the history of the US.

Even then, they'd probably accuse it of being a fake video.

durablend

(7,467 posts)
42. Absolutely nothing will penetrate
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:23 PM
Sep 2022

Anything Hillary or Obama or Hunter Biden did was a million times worse.

LaMouffette

(2,042 posts)
46. Maybe if they dig up Ivana and find top secret documents there? Oh, wait, they'll just say the FBI
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:36 PM
Sep 2022

put them there to frame Trump, giving a new meaning to the phrase "planted evidence"!

gab13by13

(21,483 posts)
29. I apologize for Raw Story, but they quote reputable people.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:11 PM
Sep 2022
https://www.rawstory.com/mar-a-lago-search-2658154057/


"Trump's damage to our national security includes relationship damage with friendly countries we work with & rely on the gather intelligence," Vance posted to Twitter. "If they believe it's no longer safe to work with us, we are in a much less secure position and why wouldn't think that with this?

"Compromising sources and methods of collection leads to long-term damage to our security, compliments of the guy who blathered about making America great again," Vance added.

National security lawyer Bradley Moss said, "I have no idea what the Special Master is supposed to do with a document like this other than clear it for use by the FBI."

gab13by13

(21,483 posts)
39. How long ago was it,
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:22 PM
Sep 2022

that the Washington Post reported there were military-related nuclear documents at Mar-el-Loco? Surely DOJ knew about this too?

DOJ fucked around too much. Just stop and think about this, if Trump had complied with the subpoena and returned all of the documents this investigation would be over and done with. That is treating Trump with kid gloves.

EarthFirst

(2,905 posts)
41. Who directed/aided TFG in determining which files to remove from the archives?
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:22 PM
Sep 2022

This motherfu*ker is far too stupid to know which documents specifically needed to be lifted.

The more the gravity of this situation comes to light; the more I’m convinced that someone was aiding him on the specifics…

Someone tell me there’s no way they away from this; right?

Right?

gab13by13

(21,483 posts)
49. I think Kash Patel and John Solomon were the Gofers.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:44 PM
Sep 2022

Who were the brains? Jared? Meadows probably too dumb? Putin probably.

I am going to say what I said earlier today, Arrest Trump.

rubbersole

(6,752 posts)
43. Maybe Putin had this as his goal all along. State secrets.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:25 PM
Sep 2022

Chaos in the fabric of American democracy/society is just a bonus.

Shipwack

(2,180 posts)
50. There are heads that need to roll, not just Trump's...
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:44 PM
Sep 2022

Some of those (well, probably all, but I’m talking about the most classified ones) had specific people who were supposed to safeguard them I’m curious how Trump got to keep them.

Was it a willing accomplice that was hoping this could be kept quiet til payday/escape to another country? Or is it a case of some spineless cretin that folded like a cheap suit because “it was the President”? I’ve met my fair share of the latter when I was in the Navy…

TeamProg

(6,335 posts)
53. The immediate words that came to my mind reminded me of one of the better jokes my dad told me.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:50 PM
Sep 2022

Timmy's in grade school and the teacher asked kids to raise their hands if they could come up with a sentence that included a participle and at least two adjectives.

Timmy quickly raised his hand and the teacher said 'Timmy, what did you come up with?'

"Last night at dinner my sister told us she was pregnant and my dad said, 'Beautiful, fucking beautiful'.


Beautiful, fucking beautiful Trumpy.

ificandream

(9,415 posts)
54. The big question is which nation is it.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 09:52 PM
Sep 2022

Someone in this thread said Israel. I don't have any idea .... but I'll bet we'll know soon.

Liberty Belle

(9,539 posts)
65. He'd be afraid to cross Putin by selling Russian nuke secrets to others.
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 10:19 PM
Sep 2022

Putin's enemies wind up dead of Polonium poisoning or pushed out windows.

My bet is he either gave secrets to Russia on orders from Putin, or sold them to the Saudis.

Or Kushner took the docs and did so. If Kushner, it might be Iranian nuke secrets; he is Jewish so I doubt he'd sell out Israel but who knows how depraved his soul is.

TeamProg

(6,335 posts)
68. I disagree with this statement: He'd be afraid to cross..
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 10:27 PM
Sep 2022

"He'd be afraid to cross Putin by selling Russian nuke secrets to others."

Or to not sell and simply threaten to sell. Insurance against Putin blackmail.





CaptainTruth

(6,616 posts)
67. Was the "document" classified or secret?
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 10:22 PM
Sep 2022

I'm referring to the "document describing a foreign government’s military defenses, including its nuclear capabilities" referenced in the first paragraph.

The article doesn't say it was classified or top secret, it just mentions it & then goes on to talk about other apparently different documents in the 2nd & 3rd paragraphs, which is a common thing our media does. They don't know the actual status of the "document describing a foreign government’s military defenses etc" but they want to whip up reader interest & make their story seem like a bigger deal than it really is by immediately following with "some of the seized documents detail top-secret U.S. operations so closely guarded that many senior national security officials are kept in the dark about them." By doing that a whole bunch of people will jump to the conclusion that the "document describing a foreign government’s military defenses etc" was top secret & contained closely-guarded secrets, even though the article does not say that.

Read carefully, my friends.

BumRushDaShow

(129,925 posts)
73. "Read carefully, my friends."
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 11:31 PM
Sep 2022

You need to read past the "1st paragraph".

(snip)

It was in this last batch of government secrets, the people familiar with the matter said, that the information about a foreign government’s nuclear-defense readiness was found. These people did not identify the foreign government in question, say where at Mar-a-Lago the document was found or offer additional details about one of the Justice Department’s most sensitive national security investigations.

(snip)

A grand jury subpoena issued May 11 demanded the return of “all documents or writings in the custody or control of Donald J. Trump and/or the Office of Donald J. Trump bearing classification markings,” including “Top Secret,” and the lesser categories of “Secret” and “Confidential.”

The subpoena, issued to Trump’s custodian of records, then listed more than two dozen sub-classifications of documents, including “S/FRD,” an acronym for “Formerly Restricted Data,” which is reserved for information that relates primarily to the military use of nuclear weapons. Despite the “formerly” in the title, the term does not mean the information is no longer classified.

(snip)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/09/06/trump-nuclear-documents/


MSNBC concluded a segment including Phil Rucker from WaPo as part of a panel, who was just talking about this indicating that this specific piece of info was "so secret" that it was always kept under lock and key and very few people had access. It was noted that info classified as S/FRD covers that "nuclear weapons" category.

Title 10 Chapter X Part 1045

PART 1045 - NUCLEAR CLASSIFICATION AND DECLASSIFICATION

Authority:

42 U.S.C. 2011; E.O. 13526, 75 FR 705, 3 CFR 2010 Comp., pp. 298-327.

Source:

83 FR 66007, Dec. 21, 2018, unless otherwise noted.

(snip)

§ 1045.30 What definitions apply to this part?

(snip)

Formerly Restricted Data (FRD) means classified information removed from the RD category under the AEA (section 142(d)), after DOE and DoD jointly determine it is related primarily to the military utilization of nuclear weapons and that the information can be adequately protected in a manner similar to NSI.

(snip)

§ 1045.35 What acronyms are commonly used in this part?

(snip)

S - Secret

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§ 1045.140 How is matter containing RD, FRD, or TFNI marked?

FORMERLY RESTRICTED DATA

Unauthorized disclosure subject to administrative and criminal sanctions. Handle as RESTRICTED DATA in foreign dissemination. Section 144b, Atomic Energy Act of 1954, as amended.

(snip)

https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-10/chapter-X/part-1045

CaptainTruth

(6,616 posts)
86. I did. I read it all. Nothing in that article answers my question.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 12:05 PM
Sep 2022

From your excerpt above:

"It was in this last batch of government secrets, the people familiar with the matter said, that the information about a foreign government’s nuclear-defense readiness was found."

So, we know that in a "batch of government secrets"... "information about a foreign government’s nuclear-defense readiness was found."

Was that "information about a foreign government’s nuclear-defense readiness" secret or classified? It doesn't say. We know from other reporting (multiple reputable sources) that documents of different classification levels were mixed together in a haphazard way with material that was not classified. And there's the source of uncertainty.

Because of the way classified & unclassified information was mixed together we cannot conclude with a high degree of confidence that any specific information (likely on its own separate document, another detail we don't know) was secret or classified just because it was found in a "batch of government secrets." The article simply does not say if it's classified, secret, unclassified, whatever. If it was secret the writers should have communicated that clearly & said "classified information about a foreign government’s nuclear-defense readiness" or "top-secret information about a foreign government’s nuclear-defense readiness," but they didn't say that, & it makes me wonder why.

Please don't think I'm defending TFG on this, I'm not, I just want to know how sensitive that information was, & this article doesn't tell us. Maybe this is just another case of more sloppy/imprecise reporting from our media, Lord knows there's a lot of it.

Bayard

(22,219 posts)
75. K&R
Tue Sep 6, 2022, 11:39 PM
Sep 2022

They only found nuke documents for one country. So, how many others were in those empty folders?

I just can't believe this deranged individual was allowed access for 4 years. He was a menace from Day 1.

Richard D

(8,813 posts)
81. One aspect of this all that I haven't seen anyone talking about . . .
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 02:26 AM
Sep 2022

. . . is that if these files are in shitface's possession, then they are not available to legitimate officials who may need the information contained in the files.

Novara

(5,870 posts)
83. We need to call it what it is: a major international incident
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 07:00 AM
Sep 2022

Last edited Wed Sep 7, 2022, 08:10 AM - Edit history (1)

Think about it: he's got the nuclear secrets of some country floating around an unsecured golf club. No other country will trust us any more. And why should they? We let someone like THAT fuck up THEIR classified information?

I'm wondering if that country can arrest him for stealing and mishandling their classified information, because we sure seem loath to do it here.

Novara

(5,870 posts)
87. Imagine if you were the head of the country whose information was breached ...
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 12:19 PM
Sep 2022

... and so egregiously mishandled, and you have no idea who has seen it, who has had access to it, who might be using it right now. Imagine the panic thinking that an enemy now has information on your military capabilities and schemes, your nuclear capabilities, etc. The security of your nation is compromised.

Then imagine watching as the thief who fucked over your country is still free to keep compromising your military (because he may have made copies), and he's even free to keep having his hate rallies. He's free to keep selling your information. He's laughing because he can do whatever he wants with your country's information and no one is stopping him.

Imagine watching as America - who may even be an ally - is doing nothing about your military secrets being sold and exposed to fuck knows who all.

It's not just that other countries no longer have reason to trust us because this motherfucker exposed their secrets, it's that America evidently doesn't give a shit about your country because they are doing nothing about this.

For the sake of international relations alone, this motherfucker needs to be arrested NOW. For the sake of WORLD PEACE AND SECURITY he needs to be arrested NOW.

crickets

(25,989 posts)
97. I've gone full circle on this.
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 06:12 PM
Sep 2022

My first reaction was that he should have been arrested the same day the search warrant was served, especially when the gravity of the situation was underscored by having to go get new people with high enough clearance to handle the level of classification found on some of the documents.

Then I thought, maybe DOJ is right. Wait until after the elections, so MAGA nuts have one less bone to wave around in the air with rage at the so-called injustice of it all. In the meantime they can go through everything and have a tight case ready to go as soon as the vote counts are in.

After this latest bombshell, I don't think waiting another moment is safe. What must our allies think? We are intelligence pariahs now, and rightly so. On their behalf (especially the country whose nuclear secrets were exposed) and for the sake of our own national security, he needs to be locked up yesterday.

The lack of clippings from November to January is another red flag. He kept clippings about himself for everything, all the time, we all know he did. He can't himself with an ego that big. So, where are they? Where are the documents that were tucked in with them?

At the very least, he should be sitting in an uncomfortable chair in an over-brightly lit room at this moment answering questions. If he chooses to "Fifth!" his way out of answering them, then perhaps he should take a vacation in a very secure little room while others fill in the details or until his memory improves.

Novara

(5,870 posts)
98. "After this latest bombshell, I don't think waiting another moment is safe. "
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 06:18 PM
Sep 2022

Absolutely. This is a major international intelligence issue and we as a country can't afford not to take action immediately. Our international relations will be toast if it looks like we don't give a shit about stolen nuclear secrets of other countries, especially if they may be allies.

Jeebus, fuck, this isn't that hard.

msfiddlestix

(7,288 posts)
89. ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 12:25 PM
Sep 2022

Do you know if (former Seantor) TRumps appointed DNI Ratcliff mentioned in any of these findings?

BumRushDaShow

(129,925 posts)
91. Not just him but wonder the same regarding Dan Coats
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 12:36 PM
Sep 2022

who preceded Ratcliffe.

I wouldn't be surprised if stuff has been squirreled away from near day-one.

msfiddlestix

(7,288 posts)
93. hmm. you know I never considered Coats to be a traitor, but one never knows for sure. Ratcliff...
Wed Sep 7, 2022, 12:45 PM
Sep 2022

always seemed to be a traitor to me just as a Senator. Then when he was appointed to DNI, i nearly had a panic attack with just this sort of thing in mind.

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