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Tue Jun 28, 2022, 10:47 AM

Nicola Sturgeon sets date for fresh Scottish independence referendum

Source: Financial Times

Scotland’s first minister Nicola Sturgeon has laid out plans for the country to hold a “consultative” independence referendum on October 19 2023.

Sturgeon told the Scottish parliament in Edinburgh on Tuesday that Scotland’s lord advocate had agreed to refer a bill setting up the referendum to the UK Supreme Court, to establish if it was within her government’s authority to hold such a vote. If the court disagreed, then the UK general election expected to be held in 2024 would be a de facto vote on independence, she said.

“The legislative competency can only be determined judicially,” she said. Sturgeon said she accepted that a “Yes” vote in itself would not lead to independence, and that legislation would have to be passed by both the Scottish and UK governments.

Ahead of the speech, Sturgeon’s Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrat opponents accused her of being out of touch with Scotland’s voters, echoing the stance of the government in Westminster that people were concerned about the cost of living crisis, education and health.

Read more: https://www.ft.com/content/e5374e59-61f5-44f9-863a-ebbde4a5abb7



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Reply Nicola Sturgeon sets date for fresh Scottish independence referendum (Original post)
brooklynite Jun 28 OP
speak easy Jun 28 #1
Sanity Claws Jun 28 #2
speak easy Jun 28 #5
BuddhaGirl Jun 29 #14
IronLionZion Jun 28 #3
muriel_volestrangler Jun 28 #4
geardaddy Jun 28 #11
speak easy Jun 28 #6
IronLionZion Jun 28 #7
speak easy Jun 28 #8
mwooldri Jun 28 #9
muriel_volestrangler Jun 28 #10
Shrek Jun 29 #12
Roisin Ni Fiachra Jun 29 #13

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:01 AM

1. She doesn't have the votes

if the polls are anything to go by.

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Response to speak easy (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:30 AM

2. A lot can happen in a year

They might be seeing/feeling more of the Brexit effects by then.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 12:32 PM

5. Also they leave and ...

have to make an application to the EU
then have to get candidate status
then have to jump through all the hoops,
including keeping Spain on side
and there's the border with England (not in the EU customs union)
and what about the fish!?
= at least 3-5 years.
so ... what are they going to do in the interim?
& what are they going to use for currency?
& what happens with defense / NATO?
It is a wild leap into the unknown.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #2)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 12:18 PM

14. Wonder what would happen if the queen

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dies before the vote? That might change a lot of minds towards independence.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:37 AM

3. SCEXIT

Scotland can rejoin the EU.

It would be interesting if Wales did the same. Then England can be more isolated.

Northern Ireland can reunify with Ireland to stay in the EU.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #3)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 11:47 AM

4. Wales voted to leave the EU too

and the desire for full independence has always been lower there (note, for instance, that pro-union Labour has always been the largest party in the Welsh Parliament - the most that Plaid Cymru ever had was 17 out of 60 seats).

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 07:04 PM

11. Support for Welsh independence

is steadily increasing, but yes, there's a long way to go to it being a majority.

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Response to speak easy (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 12:42 PM

7. The world has done lots of wild leaps into the unknown recently

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #7)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 12:45 PM

8. Indeed.

Indeed. But CA suceeding from the Union would be easier than Scotland leaving the UK, and having to join the EU.

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Response to speak easy (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 02:23 PM

9. Or SCONE..

Portmanteau of Scotland and Gone.

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 28, 2022, 03:11 PM

10. Surely that's Destiny (nt)

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Response to mwooldri (Reply #9)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 06:23 AM

12. Oh, that's perfect

Well done.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Wed Jun 29, 2022, 08:11 AM

13. Hoping both Scotland and the occupied Six Counties in the north of Ireland

gain their independence from the English some time in the near future.

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