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PSPS

(13,645 posts)
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 05:40 PM Jun 2022

Family: 5 shot during funeral at Graceland Cemetery in Racine

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by JudyM (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: WTMJ - Milwaukee, WI

Family: 5 shot during funeral at Graceland Cemetery in Racine
TMJ4 Web Staff

RACINE, Wis. — A suspect shot and injured five people during a funeral at Graceland Cemetery in Racine Thursday afternoon, family tells TMJ4 News. Racine police described the shooting as a "critical" incident and urged people to stay away. Police said multiple shots were fired, that there are victims but their conditions are unknown. The scene is still active and being investigated, police said.

The Draeger-Langendorf Funeral Home and Crematory confirms to TMJ4 News that a funeral during that time was for Da'Shontay L. King Sr. The worker at the funeral home said King's family members were hit. All funeral home staff are OK, they said.

Family previously identified Da'Shontay King Sr. as the man who a Racine police officer shot and killed near 12th and Schiller on March 20. Police said then that an officer attempted a traffic stop for a firearms investigation. Police said King got out of the vehicle armed with a firearm. The officer ordered the suspect to stop and comply with commands, but he refused, police said. The officer opened fire. King was pronounced dead at the scene.

Read more: https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/critical-incident-at-graceland-cemetery-large-police-presence

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Family: 5 shot during funeral at Graceland Cemetery in Racine (Original Post) PSPS Jun 2022 OP
I have no words..................... secondwind Jun 2022 #1
After the school and the hospital I have been wondering rurallib Jun 2022 #2
Funerals and weddings Effete Snob Jun 2022 #3
OMG you are so right rurallib Jun 2022 #4
It's not good, but.. electric_blue68 Jun 2022 #26
Where will this country be in 10, 20, 30 years? Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #5
Well, no gun control, personal nukes, loss of women suffrage, R's still lying about all elias7 Jun 2022 #7
How many gun deaths a week? Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #8
Where did our "trajectory" take us from, say, 1861? Effete Snob Jun 2022 #10
Social scientists study such topics all the time. Irish_Dem Jun 2022 #12
I doubt we are headed to societal collapse Effete Snob Jun 2022 #18
Climate change makes the threat of collapse a lot more plausible NickB79 Jun 2022 #23
Well, yeah, but we're doing nothing about that either. Effete Snob Jun 2022 #25
Which of those regions does the US fall in? (nt) HuskyOffset Jun 2022 #37
Isn't that weird? Effete Snob Jun 2022 #41
I don't want to minimize children being shot Zeitghost Jun 2022 #29
oddly enuff such incidents only happen daily in the USA (with perhaps a few exceptions) nt msongs Jun 2022 #17
Depends on what you mean by "such incidents" Effete Snob Jun 2022 #20
Nice to see NYS/C is rather far down... electric_blue68 Jun 2022 #27
The swing is impressive Effete Snob Jun 2022 #28
back to the cave. barbtries Jun 2022 #14
Is the the 1st or 2nd Daily Mass Shooting incident? I can't japple Jun 2022 #6
20th since Uvalde, I believe Hekate Jun 2022 #33
It'll be interesting to find out the story on this one. I'd bet there IS one. oldsoftie Jun 2022 #9
seems his death may have stirred a controversy. barbtries Jun 2022 #15
One definition of a "family"... Effete Snob Jun 2022 #21
Hmmm, murders at funerals is a typical Right Wing revenge tactic Farmer-Rick Jun 2022 #11
The last three have not been white supremacists jimfields33 Jun 2022 #13
We are talking about a low level felon hack89 Jun 2022 #42
Yeah, they are not all about political control Farmer-Rick Jun 2022 #43
This doesn't really surprise me... Archae Jun 2022 #16
A shooting at a cemetery seems more "Mafia-style".... LeftInTX Jun 2022 #19
Funeral shootings have gotten popular in Philadelphia Effete Snob Jun 2022 #22
Evening news on Uruguay TV sanatanadharma Jun 2022 #24
A good mourner with a gun coulda stopped it. Swede Jun 2022 #30
They should have had only one door in and one door out lostnfound Jun 2022 #39
Where were the armed mourners?? My God Americuh. WTF is wrong with this shithole country? Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #31
Actually probably proceeding according to plan for Orange Boy, Putin, and rest of the deplorables. Evolve Dammit Jun 2022 #32
I'm willing to bet gang related Jimbo S Jun 2022 #34
Probably the reason he didn't kill anyone was he had no AR-15 or the like. nt Samrob Jun 2022 #35
He was killed in March and his funeral wnylib Jun 2022 #36
Died on May 20th. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2022 #38
Oh. I thought it said March 20. wnylib Jun 2022 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author JudyM Jun 2022 #44
Locking JudyM Jun 2022 #45

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
1. I have no words.....................
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 05:45 PM
Jun 2022

rurallib

(62,483 posts)
2. After the school and the hospital I have been wondering
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 05:45 PM
Jun 2022

what "safe" place would be next. My guess was gay pride parades this weekend.
Funerals - holy crap!

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
3. Funerals and weddings
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 05:49 PM
Jun 2022

Family members with grudges and emotions.

rurallib

(62,483 posts)
4. OMG you are so right
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 05:50 PM
Jun 2022

electric_blue68

(15,031 posts)
26. It's not good, but..
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:27 PM
Jun 2022

it's not...

stranger danger which is what Buffalo, and Uvalde were.

Irish_Dem

(48,097 posts)
5. Where will this country be in 10, 20, 30 years?
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 05:51 PM
Jun 2022

If we continue on this trajectory, where does it take us?

elias7

(4,037 posts)
7. Well, no gun control, personal nukes, loss of women suffrage, R's still lying about all
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 06:02 PM
Jun 2022

Irish_Dem

(48,097 posts)
8. How many gun deaths a week?
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 06:14 PM
Jun 2022
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
10. Where did our "trajectory" take us from, say, 1861?
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 06:19 PM
Jun 2022

It may be easy to lose sight of the fact that with some 330M people, there is a high probability that a large number of them are going to do horrible things on any given day.

"News" reports the unusual, noteworthy and dramatic interactions among those 330M people, and gives us a distorted idea of what is "normal" to the overwhelming majority of them on any given day.

Catastrophizing from these unusual incidents to moan the imminent collapse of society has been a popular human pastime for literally thousands of years.

Irish_Dem

(48,097 posts)
12. Social scientists study such topics all the time.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 06:25 PM
Jun 2022

So do public health officials.

Gun violence is the leading cause of death in young people now.
Where does this take us in the future?

It is a legitimate question.

I didn't bring up societal collapse, but it is interesting that it was mentioned in your post. Perhaps that is something to consider as a possibility.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
18. I doubt we are headed to societal collapse
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 06:52 PM
Jun 2022

Gun violence in the US surpassed car accidents as the leading cause of death.

That is against the backdrop of an overall drop in mortality from all causes since 1950.

This is an "all cause" study of youth mortality from different global regions (some of which have been in armed conflict for a while) from which you might consider different trajectories:

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01546-4/fulltext

Global, regional, and national mortality among young people aged 10–24 years, 1950–2019: a systematic analysis for the Global Burden of Disease Study 2019


Globally, 32·7% of deaths in young people aged 10–24 years in 2019 were due to transport injuries, unintentional injuries, or interpersonal violence or conflict; 32·1% were due to communicable, nutritional, or maternal causes; 27·0% were due to non-communicable diseases; and 8·2% were due to self-harm. However, there was large variation in the leading causes of adolescent death by GBD super-region, sex, and age. In males aged 10–14 years, the most common cause of death was unintentional injury in all GBD super-regions except high income, where neoplasms were the leading cause of death, and south Asia and sub-Saharan Africa, where enteric infections were the leading cause of death, and North Africa and Middle East where this was transport injuries. In males aged 15–24 years, the most common cause of death was transport injury in all GBD super-regions except Latin America and the Caribbean, where the leading cause of death was interpersonal violence and conflict, and central Europe, eastern Europe and central Asia, where the leading cause of death was self-harm (appendix 1, figures S50–S112).


So, if you are looking for a model where interpersonal violence and conflict remains the leading cause of death for a long time among young people, then you want to look at Latin America and the Caribbean.

First, all-cause mortality has been on a decline since 1950 in all regions:



Genocidal wars, like the Rwandan conflict, stick out dramatically in those graphs. Rwanda was one of the most violent places on earth during that period, and is now a place you can visit and be safer than in most US cities.

In places with sustained conditions where interpersonal violence remains, again with overall declining mortality, the leading cause of death, there is a huge difference in "what kills young men" versus "what kills young women" reflected in these two charts:





Again, looking at Latin America and the Caribbean, you can see that interpersonal violence is responsible for what looks like around 50% of deaths of young males, and only around 10% of deaths of young females.

So, maybe one consequence of the trajectory is that one winds up with more adult females than adult males, if other causes of death continue to decline.

Once that happens to a great enough extent, it could be that a lopsided female majority population enacts social control measures in which violence is more effectively controlled, and the system self-regulates. Who knows.



NickB79

(19,301 posts)
23. Climate change makes the threat of collapse a lot more plausible
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:13 PM
Jun 2022

Don't be so quick to discount it. Even if not nationwide, large swathes of this country will be unliveable in 40 years, and refugees will be moving by the tens of millions

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
25. Well, yeah, but we're doing nothing about that either.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:20 PM
Jun 2022

HuskyOffset

(892 posts)
37. Which of those regions does the US fall in? (nt)
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 01:38 AM
Jun 2022
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
41. Isn't that weird?
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 08:26 AM
Jun 2022

There are some other numbers and charts in the paper, along with an explanation of how they divvied it up.

Zeitghost

(3,896 posts)
29. I don't want to minimize children being shot
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:49 PM
Jun 2022

It's horrible. But it's now #1 in large part because cars got much, much safer in the last 50 years.

There has been a recent uptick in violent crime the last 2 years, but the general trend for the past few decades has been down.

msongs

(67,502 posts)
17. oddly enuff such incidents only happen daily in the USA (with perhaps a few exceptions) nt
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 06:50 PM
Jun 2022
 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
20. Depends on what you mean by "such incidents"
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:04 PM
Jun 2022

Score-settling at funerals is not limited to the United States.

While the rate of gun deaths in the US is outstandingly high compared to other countries of comparable wealth, there are countries with higher rates of death from gun violence. The US does not rank in the top ten.

If you mean firearm homicides generally, we don't come close to some other countries:



Also, those gun deaths in the US are not evenly distributed:



There is a dramatic difference in one's risk of gun violence between living below the Mason-Dixon Line and living above it.

electric_blue68

(15,031 posts)
27. Nice to see NYS/C is rather far down...
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:34 PM
Jun 2022

Woah look at those mostly Deep South States, except DC.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
28. The swing is impressive
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:49 PM
Jun 2022

I wouldn’t have thought there was a 10x difference from top to bottom.

As usual with damn near anything - red states.

barbtries

(28,824 posts)
14. back to the cave.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 06:37 PM
Jun 2022

but with technology.

i often dream of getting out of this country, but i'm old, my kids aren't ready to do it yet. so i'll stay. what i hate is they will be left with the worst of it. love, debbie downer (they're also the ones who will fix it if it is to be fixed, and it grieves me that my generation has done such a shit job)

japple

(9,850 posts)
6. Is the the 1st or 2nd Daily Mass Shooting incident? I can't
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 05:59 PM
Jun 2022

keep count anymore.

Hekate

(91,042 posts)
33. 20th since Uvalde, I believe
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:53 PM
Jun 2022

oldsoftie

(12,674 posts)
9. It'll be interesting to find out the story on this one. I'd bet there IS one.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 06:14 PM
Jun 2022

Not random at all at first glance; but we'll see what they come up with hopefully sooner than later

barbtries

(28,824 posts)
15. seems his death may have stirred a controversy.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 06:38 PM
Jun 2022

perhaps it was unjustified. makes me wonder who might have wanted to knock off his loved ones.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
21. One definition of a "family"...
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:08 PM
Jun 2022

...is an association of people who did not choose to be associated, in contrast to "friends".

That is why holiday gatherings, weddings and funerals drive a lot of conflict.

Have you ever read postings on DU around Thanksgiving time? First, there is the dread of having to get together with the despised in-law, cousin or what-have you. Then, there are the after-action reports of all the dreadful things that people did or said to one another. Awful stuff.

Farmer-Rick

(10,242 posts)
11. Hmmm, murders at funerals is a typical Right Wing revenge tactic
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 06:20 PM
Jun 2022

South American juntas have been doing it since Kissinger seated Pinochet in Chile.

They murder a charismatic and successful liberal politician then start shooting/killing the funeral attendees. That way they get to murder not only the opposition leader but a lot of the liberal leader's followers and second lieutenants. It's a win-win tactic for the right wing, especially when they get the right wing controlled media to make the funeral shootings sound like angry family having a feud.

jimfields33

(16,145 posts)
13. The last three have not been white supremacists
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 06:29 PM
Jun 2022

Somethings going on.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
42. We are talking about a low level felon
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 10:52 AM
Jun 2022

who was shot by the cops. Why would the right wing want to then kill his family? Isn't it more likely it was a gang or family feud?

Farmer-Rick

(10,242 posts)
43. Yeah, they are not all about political control
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 11:11 AM
Jun 2022

Funeral shootings have also been a gang activity in the past.

And sometimes the right wing hires the gangs.

It's hard to tell.

Archae

(46,377 posts)
16. This doesn't really surprise me...
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 06:43 PM
Jun 2022

Racine is a "drug stop" between Milwaukee and Chicago, so gang activity is pretty common there.

There's been more gang activity lately here in Sheboygan, and Manitowoc, since the two towns are between Milwaukee and Green Bay.

LeftInTX

(25,812 posts)
19. A shooting at a cemetery seems more "Mafia-style"....
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 06:53 PM
Jun 2022

But this guy did not seem like Mafia-level to me...

Just another day in America...

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
22. Funeral shootings have gotten popular in Philadelphia
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:11 PM
Jun 2022

There's one cemetery which has had quite a few, and neighbors stay indoors when one is going on.

sanatanadharma

(3,761 posts)
24. Evening news on Uruguay TV
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 07:17 PM
Jun 2022

The story is being carried by one of the Montevideo evening TV news shows.
As were also the Buffalo and Uvalde insanity. The US news makes the local death by gun problem seem smaller.

Swede

(33,323 posts)
30. A good mourner with a gun coulda stopped it.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:01 PM
Jun 2022

As the GOP might say.

lostnfound

(16,203 posts)
39. They should have had only one door in and one door out
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 05:31 AM
Jun 2022

As the GOP might say.

Evolve Dammit

(16,818 posts)
31. Where were the armed mourners?? My God Americuh. WTF is wrong with this shithole country?
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:06 PM
Jun 2022

Evolve Dammit

(16,818 posts)
32. Actually probably proceeding according to plan for Orange Boy, Putin, and rest of the deplorables.
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 08:10 PM
Jun 2022

Jimbo S

(2,961 posts)
34. I'm willing to bet gang related
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 10:26 PM
Jun 2022

Racine is going the way of Milwaukee, unfortunately.

Samrob

(4,298 posts)
35. Probably the reason he didn't kill anyone was he had no AR-15 or the like. nt
Thu Jun 2, 2022, 10:32 PM
Jun 2022

wnylib

(21,797 posts)
36. He was killed in March and his funeral
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 01:10 AM
Jun 2022

is just being held in June?

Even if the ground is too frozen for burial, the funeral is usually held within a few days of the death and the body is buried privately later when it's possible. Maybe a week delay for forensics and autopsy since the death involved a cop. But a 2 or 3 month delay?

wnylib

(21,797 posts)
40. Oh. I thought it said March 20.
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 05:59 AM
Jun 2022

Response to PSPS (Original post)

JudyM

(29,294 posts)
45. Locking
Fri Jun 3, 2022, 12:20 PM
Jun 2022

Title and facts no longer match: 2 people shot, no fatalities. Okay to repost, updated, in GD if you’d like.

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