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demmiblue

(36,823 posts)
Mon May 2, 2022, 08:51 PM May 2022

Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows

Source: Politico

"We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft circulated inside the court.

The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.

The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision - Planned Parenthood v. Casey - that largely maintained the right. "Roe was egregiously wrong from the start," Alito writes.

"We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," he writes in the document, labeled as the "Opinion of the Court." "It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people's elected representatives."

Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court's holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.

Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473







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Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows (Original Post) demmiblue May 2022 OP
Not surprised and if the midterms weren't already critical nini May 2022 #1
Was this leaked in time to affect the Mid-Term Primaries, which have started in most states? TheBlackAdder May 2022 #228
Well, Crap! Deep State Witch May 2022 #2
'an initial draft majority opinion,' elleng May 2022 #3
It's possible the leak was intentional tishaLA May 2022 #6
I would be surprised if that were true. Raven123 May 2022 #15
I would, too tishaLA May 2022 #20
Yes, likely strategical, imo, elleng May 2022 #22
And not to test the waters for Democratic voters LiberalLovinLug May 2022 #102
The GOP is playing the Long Game, setting up their Dominos and letting them slowly fall. TheBlackAdder May 2022 #230
WE MUST TAKE TO THE STREETS TONIGHT!! OrlandoDem2 May 2022 #36
Read the draft first, and fine-tune approach. elleng May 2022 #40
This doesn't necessarily mean there are five votes to overturn onenote May 2022 #125
NPR's SC expert, Nina Totenberg, wnylib May 2022 #155
Be ready for war. The Grand Illuminist May 2022 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocraticPatriot May 2022 #132
actually, they do have government sponsored security if they want it. onenote May 2022 #159
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocraticPatriot May 2022 #163
So just what are you suggesting? oldsoftie May 2022 #223
Murder. I guess that's one way to pack the court. N/T Jedi Guy May 2022 #239
O.M.G.!!! riversedge May 2022 #4
Medieval Times peppertree May 2022 #5
Big Government at its worst... Mike Nelson May 2022 #7
Or not having one. 🤬 ShazzieB May 2022 #63
This now means any Supreme Court decision ever made in the past can be reversed nattyice May 2022 #8
YEP Rebl2 May 2022 #13
That's always been true, and it's happened many times. Ocelot II May 2022 #24
Usually zipplewrath May 2022 #131
Lawrence v. Texas onenote May 2022 #176
This is the new 'Dred Scot' DemocraticPatriot May 2022 #134
including this one. Qutzupalotl May 2022 #43
That has always been true. wnylib May 2022 #107
This now means any Supreme Court decision in the immediate future DemocraticPatriot May 2022 #144
And what are Dems doing about it? hamsterjill May 2022 #9
What can Dems do about it, and why do you think they don't care? Ocelot II May 2022 #29
Dems should have been moving on this long ago. hamsterjill May 2022 #64
Hillary warned us in 2016 that Roe vs Wade was on the chopping block. sheshe2 May 2022 #110
Absolutely. hamsterjill May 2022 #114
So effin' true I knew we'd be going down a dangerous road electric_blue68 May 2022 #143
I didn't ignore Hillary, and I turned out and voted for her.. DemocraticPatriot May 2022 #149
Agree with your whole comment. Karma13612 May 2022 #168
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocraticPatriot May 2022 #170
It is horrific, hedious, and infuriating... I'm 69 I fear for my "fellow" younger, and lower... electric_blue68 May 2022 #177
yes, the dominoes Karma13612 May 2022 #185
I did see a lot of men at NYC's Women's Marches. Also thinking of LGBTQI people, contraception, etc electric_blue68 May 2022 #188
I am hoping that Big Pharma would finally Karma13612 May 2022 #191
Thank you, DemocraticPatriot. sheshe2 May 2022 #171
I have been a loyal party man, since my youth... DemocraticPatriot May 2022 #175
It is not about you. sheshe2 May 2022 #181
I am not angry, just saying. DemocraticPatriot May 2022 #187
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m May 2022 #253
I blame folks with big megaphones who told followers that the Supreme Court didn't matter lapucelle May 2022 #222
Wonder what she has to say now... sheshe2 May 2022 #256
I agree totally. DemocraticPatriot May 2022 #173
Thank you. hamsterjill May 2022 #194
There will be fights and protests but the real answer is to GOTV and pick up seats LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 #216
I'm blaming Dem voters for not turning out EVERY election nini May 2022 #30
That's a big part of it. hamsterjill May 2022 #67
Maybe with the GQP Supreme Court's pending decision hitting them right between the legs, DemocraticPatriot May 2022 #166
In my 50 yrs of voting I've missed a few local primaries, and ? 1 or 2 local elections. Never... electric_blue68 May 2022 #174
It's breaking news. Lots of folks care. Joinfortmill May 2022 #44
Then let's get something done. hamsterjill May 2022 #69
A constitutional amendment. NYC Liberal May 2022 #90
The only way is Article V The Grand Illuminist May 2022 #137
Please expand upon article V.... DemocraticPatriot May 2022 #152
About what? The Grand Illuminist May 2022 #220
The news only just now broke! ShazzieB May 2022 #61
But this has been coming for a long time! hamsterjill May 2022 #71
Partly, we don't get out and vote especially during the midterms. sheshe2 May 2022 #123
let's not forget Covid has sapped a lot of people's energies! electric_blue68 May 2022 #148
We tried.. DemocraticPatriot May 2022 #156
Perhaps the Nina Turners, David Sirotas, and Brianna Joy Grays should of thought about the JohnSJ May 2022 #62
You are exactly right. hamsterjill May 2022 #75
All the people, on this board and elsewhere mcar May 2022 #79
I remember that. "The Supreme Court didn't matter" refrain, along with "tired of voting for JohnSJ May 2022 #86
Jesus, let that shit go already. n/t intheflow May 2022 #232
Ya don't like, be my guest, put me on ignore JohnSJ May 2022 #233
that's the problem llashram May 2022 #248
This broke a few minutes ago mcar May 2022 #74
It's been coming to this for years. hamsterjill May 2022 #77
Hmm, maybe all those "Dems" who voted for Jill Stein in 2016 mcar May 2022 #81
Yes they should have. hamsterjill May 2022 #83
The only hope we have is to get off our high-horses and vote for every Dem we can. herding cats May 2022 #98
I understand. hamsterjill May 2022 #109
NY Dems saw it coming. We have a law wnylib May 2022 #136
New Yorkers have always been smart! hamsterjill May 2022 #139
Actually, so do I. NY has its share wnylib May 2022 #153
Nope, NY Karma13612 May 2022 #172
But we have had Republican governors and wnylib May 2022 #180
NYC mayors do seem Karma13612 May 2022 #189
Under rare occasions, I believe electric_blue68 May 2022 #190
Since 1900, 10 Republican governors. wnylib May 2022 #195
Rare-ish. And Mayor Lindsey was a Liberal Republican... electric_blue68 May 2022 #197
We'll be there! (NYC'r 👍 ) (rural NYS is *beautiful* 💖 ) electric_blue68 May 2022 #182
I listened to the oral arguments, and it was clear that Roe was dead LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 #215
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem May 2022 #205
Welll, what are we going to do? (Droopy Dog voice) Oneironaut May 2022 #135
I know you're right. hamsterjill May 2022 #141
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #178
The fight was six years ago. We begged people to see it, but they accused us of fear mongering. LongtimeAZDem May 2022 #206
What do you want Dems to do about it ??? DemocraticPatriot May 2022 #142
I want to see fire and brimstone! hamsterjill May 2022 #154
What I want would get me a hide.... DemocraticPatriot May 2022 #157
I understand completely. hamsterjill May 2022 #167
Control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016 as well as the fate of Roe v. Wade and VRA LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 #214
Aggressive move during an election year IronLionZion May 2022 #10
It's going to turn out Dems big time. Joinfortmill May 2022 #48
I hope so. hamsterjill May 2022 #80
I hope we have a blue wave IronLionZion May 2022 #145
But as long as inflation continues, SouthBayDem May 2022 #257
We see The Handmaid's Tale as a sci-fi/horror story. Grokenstein May 2022 #11
Yeah, scary shit. Joinfortmill May 2022 #50
Control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016 as well as the fate of Roe v. Wade and VRA LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 #12
Don't forget SUSAN COLLINS. vanlassie May 2022 #25
IT IS SUSAN EFFING COLLINS!! OrlandoDem2 May 2022 #39
SUSAN EFFING COLLINS. vanlassie May 2022 #54
Collins will be shocked, just shocked Kavanaugh is at the forefront of the crusade to gut Roe. LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 #217
Who are both women. Rhiannon12866 May 2022 #104
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem May 2022 #198
And yet they close their eyes to what was intended by "well regulated militia" groundloop May 2022 #14
Fear not. This ruling means that the militia requirement can be reinterpreted nattyice May 2022 #38
This may turn the country Blue. pwb May 2022 #16
Yup. Joinfortmill May 2022 #53
This totally changes the chemistry of the mid-terms. Big Blue Marble May 2022 #106
Women who disobey and have sex without permission will have to risk death to have an abortion. Eliot Rosewater May 2022 #17
Yes, if they can't get to a blue state. ShazzieB May 2022 #82
My thought also, but sadly that will be prohibitively expensive for many. groundloop May 2022 #112
Maybe this time more women and men will contribute to some kind of traveling, lodging etc funds... electric_blue68 May 2022 #199
Unless the Repubs take back the house, senate and presidency. spudspud May 2022 #121
If this story is true, Roberts needs to find out how it happened. Raven123 May 2022 #18
I'd guess a clerk for one of the justices leaked it. n/t PoliticAverse May 2022 #93
this is what happens when the Supreme Court gets politicized with hard right conservative. Baitball Blogger May 2022 #19
We all knew it was going to happen, doesn't make the shock of it any less though. Bev54 May 2022 #26
Amen. Boy, am I pissed. Joinfortmill May 2022 #57
It's unheard-of for draft opinions to leak. I wonder who leaked this one, and why? Ocelot II May 2022 #21
There will surely be an exhaustive investigation inside the Court. TomSlick May 2022 #28
This is how you protect sources. Document's metadata provides no solid hints as to its provenance. mahatmakanejeeves May 2022 #226
Oh yeah.. LeftInTX May 2022 #249
My bet is that it was the conservative justices themselves (or their staff) who leaked it . . . markpkessinger May 2022 #162
They'll be going after marriage equality next tishaLA May 2022 #23
My bet is that contraception is next. TomSlick May 2022 #70
Not necessarily jmowreader May 2022 #129
Abington, Weisman and Engel are certainly on the shopping list. TomSlick May 2022 #130
Oh you can bet on that! hamsterjill May 2022 #85
You can read the 98-page pdf at: dalton99a May 2022 #27
every woman should start a general strike across the country moonshinegnomie May 2022 #31
We should. Joinfortmill May 2022 #58
Pink flu. wnylib May 2022 #151
Neal Katyal: demmiblue May 2022 #32
That was my first thought - How the bloody hell did this leak? Ocelot II May 2022 #42
Some in this thread are suggesting it may have been delberate. ShazzieB May 2022 #87
It had to have been intentional, considering how tightly the court controls information Ocelot II May 2022 #92
Bwah! Sorry, I had to laugh. "Oh. Lookie here?! What's this?" Def Pentagon Papers level! electric_blue68 May 2022 #158
I'd guess a clerk for one of the justices leaked it. It's possible one of the pro-choice PoliticAverse May 2022 #94
Might have been a liberal clerk giving us a heads up. wnylib May 2022 #164
Margaret Atwood author The Handmaids Tale on with Ali Velshi this past Sunday. scarletlib May 2022 #33
also during the military draft a man was only owned for a few years DBoon May 2022 #128
Agreed scarletlib May 2022 #229
looks like a constitutional amendment is needed vlyons May 2022 #34
Reactionary morons bucolic_frolic May 2022 #35
hey susan sarandon DonCoquixote May 2022 #37
Move on! EOM tiredtoo May 2022 #46
you got that right Piasladic May 2022 #47
Susan who?? DemocraticPatriot May 2022 #161
+1 oasis May 2022 #193
Sarandon didn't smear Clinton by herself; she had lots of help, even around here. LongtimeAZDem May 2022 #200
+1 betsuni May 2022 #225
Having difficulty believing this tiredtoo May 2022 #41
By promising that contraception and wnylib May 2022 #169
Women of the United States of America, republicans wrested from your hands the fate of your lives. dsharp88 May 2022 #45
Rule of the minority over the majority ..... Alito, Roberts, Kavanaugh, Gorsch,and Coney Island .. Botany May 2022 #49
Hey Nina Turner, David Sirota, Briahna and Joy Gray. Aren't you proud that you not only refused to JohnSJ May 2022 #52
throw in ted rall, jill stein DonCoquixote May 2022 #56
Yup, and that is what a lot of the folks that listened to them did, voted for Jill Stein JohnSJ May 2022 #68
The ones who voted for this can go to hell. greatauntoftriplets May 2022 #55
Loud and clear madamesilverspurs May 2022 #59
Loud and clear StarryNite May 2022 #210
This impacts 51% females of the USA, ruled by a majority male SCOTUS. ancianita May 2022 #60
T H I S electric_blue68 May 2022 #165
I pray that heart attacks occur. LiberalFighter May 2022 #65
I find myself thinking thoughts like that... dixiechiken1 May 2022 #115
Has a SCOTUS opinion ever leaked before? mcar May 2022 #66
I am not aware of any such occurrences in the past. Ocelot II May 2022 #89
Thanks for your perspective mcar May 2022 #91
Yes, during Nixon's administration. n/t PoliticAverse May 2022 #96
Thanks mcar May 2022 #99
The Supreme Court is probably the least leaking part of the federal government by far. n/t PoliticAverse May 2022 #100
The Pentagon Papers were leaked, but not from the Supreme Court. Ocelot II May 2022 #138
See... PoliticAverse May 2022 #207
No *draft opinion* has ever been leaked. Ocelot II May 2022 #238
Ginni Thomas, are you leaking this? milestogo May 2022 #72
"Hillary's too much of a corporate democrat!" hatrack May 2022 #73
"SCOTUS isn't important" mcar May 2022 #84
"It's established law. They'll never overturn it!" herding cats May 2022 #103
Right there with you, herding cats mcar May 2022 #105
It's sad, but most remember that false narrative JohnSJ May 2022 #88
Maybe its time to expand the courts...... turbinetree May 2022 #76
+1. Killing Roe is only the beginning dalton99a May 2022 #78
If people don't fully understand what this means, then maybe someone should explain to them that turbinetree May 2022 #243
where do we get the votes to do that? onenote May 2022 #127
WE have to get people in both the house and senate it can be done..... turbinetree May 2022 #241
This should be the kiss of death for the repukes Cozmo May 2022 #95
There will be blowback, for sure. Ocelot II May 2022 #97
It hopefully will Rebl2 May 2022 #118
Women can be stripped of this most personal fundamental right. But freedumb. JudyM May 2022 #101
Well, I hope that women enjoyed their brief taste of personhood because those days are over Orrex May 2022 #108
I will ALWAYS be a person, wnylib May 2022 #179
You are, of course, correct, and please don't ever fucking change. Orrex May 2022 #192
At 72, I am too effin old to change. wnylib May 2022 #202
So, abortion isn't mentioned in the Constitution ..... rickford66 May 2022 #111
Fuck you Jill Stein and protest voters. Fuck you Alpeduez21 May 2022 #113
I am even more disgusted with James Comey. StevieM May 2022 #201
K&R for exposure uppityperson May 2022 #116
The Roberts Court BlueIdaho May 2022 #117
I thought that Politico is full of BS? JoeOtterbein May 2022 #119
I don't know but with the make up of this court. rockfordfile May 2022 #124
It can be, but isn't always. Ocelot II May 2022 #140
"Full of BS" in so many words... JoeOtterbein May 2022 #147
This came from the NY Times. qwlauren35 May 2022 #150
NPR is also reporting it, as is the BBC. wnylib May 2022 #183
F@ck all you Senate Republicans who enabled this! OneCrazyDiamond May 2022 #120
Vote out republicans. rockfordfile May 2022 #122
Judicial activism only applies to decisions that expands rights. no_hypocrisy May 2022 #126
Post removed Post removed May 2022 #133
Hearing some people are taking to the streets! electric_blue68 May 2022 #146
H O W L !!!!!!!! electric_blue68 May 2022 #160
What fresh fucking hell is this???? Blue Owl May 2022 #184
A look into Alito's fucked up mind! LeftInTX May 2022 #203
So when is the decision coming? Polybius May 2022 #186
Susan Collins??? Curious what you think now rpannier May 2022 #196
She is clutching her pearls and furrowing her brow Novara May 2022 #242
I believe it was purposely leaked by someone. Kablooie May 2022 #204
Well if you want to influence an opinion, you need to do it before it is finalized. n/t PoliticAverse May 2022 #208
So women's bodies have less automony than a corpse eh? LittleGirl May 2022 #209
This was done to take public's eye off the fact that our country was almost overthrown on Jan 6. C Moon May 2022 #211
That entered my mind too...a distraction StarryNite May 2022 #212
There's something bigger than anything since 1860 going here, and they need to bury it. C Moon May 2022 #213
The target has always been the right to privacy LetMyPeopleVote May 2022 #218
+1. Killing Roe is only the beginning dalton99a May 2022 #246
WHAT?? YoshidaYui May 2022 #219
I had heard this and saw the OP before going offline last night BumRushDaShow May 2022 #221
"must be" - not 'We overrule it' bucolic_frolic May 2022 #224
I have just 2 thoughts on this issue: Vinca May 2022 #227
An Idea McKim May 2022 #231
I think the most interesting aspect to this is why was it leaked? SKKY May 2022 #234
Take it to the streets. Take it within government buildings. Paladin May 2022 #235
Big, big flaw in that! The 'issue of abortion' should be returned to sinkingfeeling May 2022 #236
This message was self-deleted by its author sinkingfeeling May 2022 #237
Only step one, contraceptive rights are next. Jon King May 2022 #240
Well duh. They said "and Casey" Novara May 2022 #244
IF this initial opinion llashram May 2022 #245
Jeez, What's next? Recriminalize Gay Sex and Marriage ??? BlueWavePsych May 2022 #247
Well, we knew they'd pull this if they got the chance. malthaussen May 2022 #250
Shhhhhh. Don't let them hear this. They'll do it. Novara May 2022 #252
This message was self-deleted by its author jfz9580m May 2022 #251
We are GOING the WRONG DIRECTION! n/t TeamProg May 2022 #254
Alito wants to bring back sodomy laws too! LeftInTX May 2022 #255
Aito Is A Little Fast And Loose With The Truth DallasNE May 2022 #258
... ck4829 May 2022 #259

nini

(16,672 posts)
1. Not surprised and if the midterms weren't already critical
Mon May 2, 2022, 08:54 PM
May 2022

We really must hold on to congress.

So sick of this.

Deep State Witch

(10,413 posts)
2. Well, Crap!
Mon May 2, 2022, 08:55 PM
May 2022

Disappointed. Will probably get sick to see the Fundies dancing the in the streets. I'm glad that my childbearing years are over.

elleng

(130,746 posts)
3. 'an initial draft majority opinion,'
Mon May 2, 2022, 08:57 PM
May 2022

a draft can be changed, and likely will be changed in unknown ways.

tishaLA

(14,176 posts)
6. It's possible the leak was intentional
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:00 PM
May 2022

So see how much of an uproar there'd be and then only taking away reproductive freedom after the first 10 weeks will seem moderate.

elleng

(130,746 posts)
22. Yes, likely strategical, imo,
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:08 PM
May 2022

and that on the part of an insider (clerk/employee/etc) hoping for good/changes, if not in result, then on basis for rationale.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
102. And not to test the waters for Democratic voters
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:01 PM
May 2022

They don't give a crap about them. They know they are not going to vote R regardless.

No, the R judges want to float this balloon to see if there are too many uppity womenfolk that usually vote R who might also not like their rights curbed like that either.

TheBlackAdder

(28,167 posts)
230. The GOP is playing the Long Game, setting up their Dominos and letting them slowly fall.
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:02 AM
May 2022

.

SCOTUS is empowered knowing that the GOP redistricting efforts and voter suppression are underway.

This will set up the seizure of the House and then a slow retake of the Senate starting 4 years from now.

.

onenote

(42,599 posts)
125. This doesn't necessarily mean there are five votes to overturn
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:37 PM
May 2022

It may, but it also could be that there will be 5 or 6 votes to uphold the Mississippi law but no more than four justices who vote to overturn.

Not saying that's the case, but not ruling it out either.

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
155. NPR's SC expert, Nina Totenberg,
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:16 PM
May 2022

has said on their newscast that this draft has all the earmarks of an official SC vote decision to overturn Roe.

Response to elleng (Reply #3)

Response to onenote (Reply #159)

Mike Nelson

(9,944 posts)
7. Big Government at its worst...
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:00 PM
May 2022

... there are not many big issues that are less big government's business that having a baby.

Ocelot II

(115,608 posts)
24. That's always been true, and it's happened many times.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:09 PM
May 2022

Sometimes to good results, e.g., Dred Scott; sometimes not.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
131. Usually
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:53 PM
May 2022

A bit like Brown vs. Board, they don't just overturn a previous decision by saying it was wrong, but by underscoring how it has been learned since then that the underlying reasoning has been demonstrated by history to be wrong. They can't do that in this case.

onenote

(42,599 posts)
176. Lawrence v. Texas
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:43 PM
May 2022

In 2003, the Court overruled Bowers v. Hardwick, a 1986case that had upheld a Georgia anti-sodomy law. Justice Kennedy's opinion was unambiguous: "Bowers was not correct when it was decided, and it is not correct today."

DemocraticPatriot

(4,311 posts)
144. This now means any Supreme Court decision in the immediate future
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:07 PM
May 2022

is as worthless as any which came from the Dred Scot court....

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
9. And what are Dems doing about it?
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:02 PM
May 2022

I can’t believe this is just being accepted. This is a major issue that will mean women die. And it’s like nobody even cares.

Makes me want to puke.

Ocelot II

(115,608 posts)
29. What can Dems do about it, and why do you think they don't care?
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:11 PM
May 2022

They can't control the Supreme Court and there's no way to pass federal legislation protecting abortion in this Congress. What do you suggest they do?

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
64. Dems should have been moving on this long ago.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:30 PM
May 2022

Expand the court. Expose Clarence Thomas for the crazy ass that he is. Whatever it takes. I don’t care.

I’ve been watching the laws in red states and we’ve all known this was coming. Something should have been done before it got to this point. We live in a fucking democracy and the majority of Americans believe that a woman has a right to control her own body. Why doesn’t that mean anything?

Are we taking to the streets yet? What’s it going to take for us to take back our way of life? Because that is what is being taken away from us!!!

Emotional response? Hell yes. And it should be the same for everyone.

sheshe2

(83,655 posts)
110. Hillary warned us in 2016 that Roe vs Wade was on the chopping block.
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:10 PM
May 2022

She warned us, yet was ignored. She said get out and vote and so many did not.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
114. Absolutely.
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:12 PM
May 2022

Why do you think I cried the night of the election and missed work the following day? Because I knew!!!

And I was not alone!!!

DemocraticPatriot

(4,311 posts)
149. I didn't ignore Hillary, and I turned out and voted for her..
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:11 PM
May 2022

.... even though I voted for Bernie in the primaries that year...

She was certainly right about this--

and she was right to call out "the deplorables"...

Karma13612

(4,544 posts)
168. Agree with your whole comment.
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:33 PM
May 2022

I voted for Bernie in the primary.
Then, for the general, I voted for Hillary while I shed a tear in the voting booth. But, I did it. Darn it.

This is just terrible. I’m not directly effected because I am 68, but my heart is breaking. We are regressing as a nation. I can’t abide it any longer.

Just speechless right now.

Response to Karma13612 (Reply #168)

electric_blue68

(14,818 posts)
177. It is horrific, hedious, and infuriating... I'm 69 I fear for my "fellow" younger, and lower...
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:47 PM
May 2022

income women-sisters!!!
And other pontential domino issues.

Karma13612

(4,544 posts)
185. yes, the dominoes
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:55 PM
May 2022

And the plight of women across America is changing now.

I’m not so sure women can fight back alone. Not sure if I will get flagged for this but, it would be awesome if more men would stand up and shout about this as well. SOME men think that all they are responsible for is the night of love-making. And the woman just has to take care of any consequences after the fact. When it hits them in the face that their lover is pregnant and can’t get an abortion, are they going to do something about it? Can’t they think ahead a bit?

This needs to be a team effort. I don’t see it happening.

Karma13612

(4,544 posts)
191. I am hoping that Big Pharma would finally
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:05 AM
May 2022

Make good use of their ENORMOUS profits and lobby to NOT let Oral Contraceptives be outlawed. And when I mean Oral Contraceptives, I mean those specifically. I am not talking about Plan B’s or morning after pills.

I think ALL of those should be available easily. I think big pharma should stand up and scream bloody murder if red states try to ban OC’s in particular. Otherwise, they are even worse than they behave right now.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,311 posts)
175. I have been a loyal party man, since my youth...
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:42 PM
May 2022

An older white liberal Democratic male...

All the news articles about "angry older white men" abandoning the Democrats for Trump, angered ME...


sheshe2

(83,655 posts)
181. It is not about you.
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:52 PM
May 2022

Don't get angry, no one means you. You are one of the good ones that stand with us.

Thank you for that.

Response to DemocraticPatriot (Reply #175)

lapucelle

(18,187 posts)
222. I blame folks with big megaphones who told followers that the Supreme Court didn't matter
Tue May 3, 2022, 06:31 AM
May 2022

and then encouraged them to vote for Jill Stein.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,311 posts)
173. I agree totally.
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:38 PM
May 2022

Time to bring out the hammers and pitchforks. The politicians have failed us, in this instance.

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,939 posts)
216. There will be fights and protests but the real answer is to GOTV and pick up seats
Tue May 3, 2022, 02:13 AM
May 2022

Protests are starting




We need to GOTV like crazy and beat the shit out of the GOP in the midterms. We need to flip red states like Texas, Georgia, Florisa and Arizona.

nini

(16,672 posts)
30. I'm blaming Dem voters for not turning out EVERY election
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:11 PM
May 2022

There’s only so much elected Dems can do if we’re not making sure there’s more of us than them,

DemocraticPatriot

(4,311 posts)
166. Maybe with the GQP Supreme Court's pending decision hitting them right between the legs,
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:30 PM
May 2022

the young women of America, and the older women too, will turn out to vote Democratic in this mid-term-- especially for the Senate races.

That is my hope.

If they don't, then they will live in the country for which they did not vote.


I think we can get that vote to turn out...

electric_blue68

(14,818 posts)
174. In my 50 yrs of voting I've missed a few local primaries, and ? 1 or 2 local elections. Never...
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:41 PM
May 2022

a Presidential election (maaaybe a primary). Never or almost never a Congressional election (maaaaybe a primary).

And yeah I've gotten into a few near shouting matches in public w third party people. I'm very passionate about a bunch of issues, can't always kerp my emotions quiet.

The Grand Illuminist

(1,327 posts)
137. The only way is Article V
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:00 PM
May 2022

As there will never be enough Senators to approve. But this would actually do more harm than good because right wing amendments like Balenced Budget and Line Item Vetoes would easily pass. As well as amendments that will officially biologically define genders as male and female.

sheshe2

(83,655 posts)
123. Partly, we don't get out and vote especially during the midterms.
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:36 PM
May 2022

Lazy and uniformed don't bother to vote. Outside influences, some Russia and others influence the vote.

Then when we, see Biden and Obama, come into office, they have to dig into the cesspool to correct all the damage the last REPUBLICAN left behind. Bush, left us a near depression. Biden a mishandled pandemic with mishandled funds and corruption, Russian influence in our government. Then the insurrection. War in Ukraine. So many balls in the air and they need to be dealt with. It takes time and yes, some things go on the back burner.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,311 posts)
156. We tried..
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:18 PM
May 2022

The Democrats put forth legislation to statutize abortion rights into federal law--- but because of our thin majorities in both houses, it could not be passed.

This pending decision is a lesson to all American women, why Democrats should control the White House and the United States Senate (a lesson I am sure you did not need to be taught, yourself--- but many others do).

JohnSJ

(92,061 posts)
62. Perhaps the Nina Turners, David Sirotas, and Brianna Joy Grays should of thought about the
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:28 PM
May 2022

consequences of their in the general election in 2016 by not voting for Hillary, but also encouraging others to do likewise

It didn’t take much either. In every critical swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, and Jill Stein in those critical swing states received 1% of the vote

That’s all it took

mcar

(42,278 posts)
79. All the people, on this board and elsewhere
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:35 PM
May 2022

who insisted SCOTUS and Roe weren't important while they "voted their conscience" in 2016 GE.

JohnSJ

(92,061 posts)
86. I remember that. "The Supreme Court didn't matter" refrain, along with "tired of voting for
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:40 PM
May 2022

“The lesser of two evils”

Both were lies

mcar

(42,278 posts)
74. This broke a few minutes ago
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:34 PM
May 2022

Why are you excoriating Democrats now? Who is responsible for this? Hint: It's not Democrats.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
77. It's been coming to this for years.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:35 PM
May 2022

Why is anyone surprised? Dems should have been doing something before now.

mcar

(42,278 posts)
81. Hmm, maybe all those "Dems" who voted for Jill Stein in 2016
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:36 PM
May 2022

and told us that SCOTUS wasn't important should have been doing something.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
83. Yes they should have.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:38 PM
May 2022

You think? People don’t get that we lost democracy in 2016. That is essentially what happened. It was make or break and we failed miserable.

Now, we have to fight to get it back.

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
98. The only hope we have is to get off our high-horses and vote for every Dem we can.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:58 PM
May 2022

Run for local seats, never miss an election and always vote for the Democratic candidate.

There's simply no quick fix to this disaster at this point. The damage was done in the voting booths in 2016. We've made some steps forward since then, but 2022 and 2024 are literally our last hopes.

Edited: for clarity: I'm not saying your on a high-horse. I'm talking about those who chose to sit out in 2016. I warned them this was going to be the outcome and I'm pissed off at them.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
109. I understand.
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:08 PM
May 2022

And I promise you, I do all of the things that you list except run for office. I simply don’t have the hours in the day.

There have been times that I had to hold my nose to vote for a Democrat, but I have NEVER voted for a Republican IN MY LIFE! I don’t even vote straight party ticket (when available) because if there’s anyone running AGAINST a Republican, I vote for that person.

And I have done this my whole life BECAUSE I knew this day would come.

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
136. NY Dems saw it coming. We have a law
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:59 PM
May 2022

that protects abortion rights.

The SC decision is to overturn Roe and leave it up to states.

We can win women's rights back by fighting in each state to pass laws protecting our rights.

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
153. Actually, so do I. NY has its share
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:13 PM
May 2022

of rural reds. I fear that this will motivate them to attack abortion rights here.

Karma13612

(4,544 posts)
172. Nope, NY
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:38 PM
May 2022

Has enuf Democrats that will continue to drown out the rural reds. I live in a rural area of NY but there are enuf large city population areas that carry the state Blue. I am not worried about NY, from my experience.

Karma13612

(4,544 posts)
189. NYC mayors do seem
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:01 AM
May 2022

To be troublesome. At least finding good ones. Not sure what happened to this time around. They were sold a bill of goods from what I can see.

But, we’ve had Democratic Governors recently, even if some were’t that brilliant. It’s the state legislature that you also have to be concerned with. Same as the federal level with the President, and the House and Senate. Not much gets done if you can’t get your agenda passed.

electric_blue68

(14,818 posts)
197. Rare-ish. And Mayor Lindsey was a Liberal Republican...
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:16 AM
May 2022
Pre my ability to vote - I did volunteer for 2 different Liberal Republicans.


Why?!!??

Because Those Democrats were More Conservative on Social Issues. Different times back then in NY.

Response to mcar (Reply #74)

Oneironaut

(5,486 posts)
135. Welll, what are we going to do? (Droopy Dog voice)
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:58 PM
May 2022

I guess I’ll go whine about how terrible this is on MSNBC, and chastise members of my own party who suggest doing anything else, like protesting (gasp!).

Goddamn useless shits. Stop whining on cable news and actually organize protests ffs. We need you now. You have the clout and money to bring in crowds. Get off your fucking ass damn it!

History shows they aren’t going to do shit, though.

I’m sure this is going to get hidden, but, you know I’m right.

Response to Oneironaut (Reply #135)

DemocraticPatriot

(4,311 posts)
142. What do you want Dems to do about it ???
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:05 PM
May 2022

I don't see it just being "accepted", except from a legal standpoint. From a legal standpoint, our hands may be tied...


Personally, I think maybe we should not accept the "legal standpoint", anymore than the anti-slavery movement accepted the "legal standpoint" after the Dred Scot decision. This pending decision enslaves women, and is not Constitutional-- no matter what a right-wing Supreme Court may say. Their decision will be worth just as much as that of any bar-room in the state of Wyoming...



hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
154. I want to see fire and brimstone!
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:16 PM
May 2022

I want to see creative means of “breaking” the rules. Expand the court? Whatever it takes.

What do YOU want Dems to do? Sit on their asses and say “oh well”?

DemocraticPatriot

(4,311 posts)
157. What I want would get me a hide....
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:20 PM
May 2022

As I stated elsewhere, "on the bright side, Supreme Court Justices only serve 'for life' "

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
167. I understand completely.
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:32 PM
May 2022

Have you seen the movie “The Star Chamber”? Really good movie.

I think a lot of the replies are sometimes alert bait. I see some of the same posters doing it. It’s absurd. Why try to get someone hidden? One has to ask and then wonder what the goal is.

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,939 posts)
214. Control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016 as well as the fate of Roe v. Wade and VRA
Tue May 3, 2022, 02:07 AM
May 2022

Everyone knew that the control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016. I worked my butt off to elect Hillary in 2016 because it was clear to me and every other real democrat who looked at this issue that Roe would be dead if TFG was elected. Some stayed home and some voted for Jill Stein. Thank you, Susan Sarandon and her ilk, for this result.

We need to pick up seats in the Seante next year to be able to expand the court and to adopt a nationwide version of Roe. In Texas, we need to work hard to defeat Abbott and Dan Patrick. We have to overcome some extreme gerrymanders but we need to pick up the Texas House and Texas Senate to try to change things.

I suspect that DeathSantis will find Democrats motivated in Florida.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
10. Aggressive move during an election year
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:02 PM
May 2022

they must think it will help turnout from their anti-choice voters

SouthBayDem

(32,006 posts)
257. But as long as inflation continues,
Tue May 3, 2022, 03:14 PM
May 2022

the pro choice activist vote will be offset by those who vote against incumbents based on their feelings about the economy

Grokenstein

(5,721 posts)
11. We see The Handmaid's Tale as a sci-fi/horror story.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:02 PM
May 2022

They see a blueprint for a bright and shining future.

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,939 posts)
12. Control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016 as well as the fate of Roe v. Wade and VRA
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:02 PM
May 2022

We are seeing the effects of the work of Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,939 posts)
217. Collins will be shocked, just shocked Kavanaugh is at the forefront of the crusade to gut Roe.
Tue May 3, 2022, 02:21 AM
May 2022

Collins was in favor of gutting Roe but never admitted it

Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #12)

pwb

(11,252 posts)
16. This may turn the country Blue.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:04 PM
May 2022

This election could once and for all silence the Vocal minority against women. Women form up.

Big Blue Marble

(5,056 posts)
106. This totally changes the chemistry of the mid-terms.
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:04 PM
May 2022

We need young people to vote in an off-year election. If this does not motivate them,
what will?

Eliot Rosewater

(31,106 posts)
17. Women who disobey and have sex without permission will have to risk death to have an abortion.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:06 PM
May 2022

America is broken, very badly.

How are those HILLARY bashers feeling tonight?

ShazzieB

(16,284 posts)
82. Yes, if they can't get to a blue state.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:37 PM
May 2022

Which they should NOT have to do, don't get me wrong. But there ARE still places in this country where reproductive rights will continue to exist, including Illinois, where I live. As bad as this news is, we shouldn't lose sight of that.

groundloop

(11,514 posts)
112. My thought also, but sadly that will be prohibitively expensive for many.
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:12 PM
May 2022

Once again the divide between the poor and everyone else will rear its' ugly head.

electric_blue68

(14,818 posts)
199. Maybe this time more women and men will contribute to some kind of traveling, lodging etc funds...
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:22 AM
May 2022

in Blue States.

spudspud

(511 posts)
121. Unless the Repubs take back the house, senate and presidency.
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:34 PM
May 2022

And pass a national law banning abortion, since it's no longer a constitutionally protected right (per this draft opinion).

Baitball Blogger

(46,684 posts)
19. this is what happens when the Supreme Court gets politicized with hard right conservative.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:06 PM
May 2022

Judge Roberts, your leadership on the Supreme Court was part of the hard right take-over of the Court. Enjoy your success for now with your right-wing comrades. History will label you as an American failure.

TomSlick

(11,088 posts)
28. There will surely be an exhaustive investigation inside the Court.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:10 PM
May 2022

If this leak can be traced at least one head will roll.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,313 posts)
226. This is how you protect sources. Document's metadata provides no solid hints as to its provenance.
Tue May 3, 2022, 07:36 AM
May 2022
JDMandelHat Retweeted

This is how you protect sources.

The document's metadata provides no solid hints as to its provenance. The copy that's currently linked in the story appears to have been created seven minutes before the Politico story hit the website.
https://politico.com/f/?id=00000180-874f-dd36-a38c-c74f98520000


LeftInTX

(25,141 posts)
249. Oh yeah..
Tue May 3, 2022, 10:21 AM
May 2022

It's pretty easy to do. Just copy the original and convert to PDF.
The original is not in PDF, that's for sure!

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
162. My bet is that it was the conservative justices themselves (or their staff) who leaked it . . .
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:26 PM
May 2022

. . . in order to gauge public reaction before the opinion is finalized and published.

TomSlick

(11,088 posts)
70. My bet is that contraception is next.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:32 PM
May 2022

Roe is based on the right to privacy found in Griswold. If Roe falls, its predecessor Griswold must surely be next.

The marriage equality case, Obergefell, is based on the right to marry as in Loving v. Virginia. Griswold is cited in Obergefell but it is not central to the decision.

There is a movement in fundamentalist protestant circles opposed to artificial contraception. Of course, the Roman Catholic Church holds that contraception is anathema. Five justices, Roberts, Thomas, Alito, Kavanaugh and Barrett, are conservative Catholics. (Sotomayor is also Catholic but surely will not vote to overturn Roe.) If a state controlled by fundamentalists decided to ban contraception, overruling Roe sets up a reversal of Griswold and there is a sufficient conservative Catholic majority.

jmowreader

(50,529 posts)
129. Not necessarily
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:44 PM
May 2022

They'll certainly get around to overturning Griswold, Loving and Obergefell, but I'm betting on the religious right going shopping for a case that'll give the Supremes grounds to overturn Engel v Vitale, Abington School District v Schempp and Lee v Weisman.

Abington (1963) declared school-sponsored Bible reading unconstitutional.
Weisman (1992) declared schools sponsoring preachers to conduct prayers was unconstitutional.
Engel (1962) declared official school prayers to be unconstitutional.

The fundies have hated those three decisions for a REALLY long time.

TomSlick

(11,088 posts)
130. Abington, Weisman and Engel are certainly on the shopping list.
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:51 PM
May 2022

If stare decisis is dead, every case is suspect. However, it's a straight line between Roe and Griswold. We are probably discussing the order in which what we thought was established law is overturned.

I'm still lost somewhere between denial and anger but I fear dark times are ahead.

demmiblue

(36,823 posts)
32. Neal Katyal:
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:14 PM
May 2022
This is the equivalent of the pentagon papers leak, but at the Supreme Court. I’m pretty sure there has never ever been such a leak. And certainly not in the years I’ve been following the Supreme Court. END

Sorry one last thing for those wondering about Court procedure: After oral argument the Justices take a tentative vote. This would have happened in December. The senior most justice in the majority gets to assign the opinion. That might have been Roberts, but doubtful since...

Alito wrote this draft.
Now, once the draft is circulated, the justices in dissent will write an opinion. That's presumably happening now. But the tenative vote seems strong, and Chief Justice Roberts is irrelevant if the 4 + Alito hold with their tentative votes.

So there is the possibility an opinion can flip after oral argument and the tentative vote, so it's theoretically powerful the Alito opinion won't be the vote of the Court. But it would require a Justice BESIDES Chief Justice Roberts to flip.





Ocelot II

(115,608 posts)
42. That was my first thought - How the bloody hell did this leak?
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:18 PM
May 2022

Draft opinions are never leaked. Who did it, and what was their purpose? Might the leak affect the outcome? Katyal is right; this is Pentagon Papers-level leakage.

Ocelot II

(115,608 posts)
92. It had to have been intentional, considering how tightly the court controls information
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:46 PM
May 2022

relating to its deliberations. It's not like a copy fell into a waste basket and somebody found it in a dumpster. This just doesn't happen.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
94. I'd guess a clerk for one of the justices leaked it. It's possible one of the pro-choice
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:55 PM
May 2022

justices leaked it though.

This leak WILL have repercussions.

scarletlib

(3,410 posts)
33. Margaret Atwood author The Handmaids Tale on with Ali Velshi this past Sunday.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:14 PM
May 2022

In discussing forcing women to have babies she said it is a form of ownership of a woman’s body. If a military draft still existed and men were still conscripted that is also government ownership of the body.
When men were drafted, the government then had the responsibility to see that they were housed, fed given medical treatment, and paid accordingly.
Her point is that the government is conscripting women into forced pregnancy then it has the obligation to proved appropriate housing, food ,medical support and financial support.

If this comes to pass enterprising attorneys need to file class action lawsuits to force states to provide support.

DBoon

(22,340 posts)
128. also during the military draft a man was only owned for a few years
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:41 PM
May 2022

This implies a woman is owned from puberty to menopause, meaning most of her adult life

This is close to slavery, where one is owned from birth to death

Piasladic

(1,160 posts)
47. you got that right
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:20 PM
May 2022
Rocky Horror is much more horrific since she sold us out. I can't stand her voice now.

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
169. By promising that contraception and
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:33 PM
May 2022

marriage equality are next.

If they get those through, the next agenda item will be to rescind civil rights laws. The SC has made a start on that already by eliminating voting oversight in states where it was required.

Give them an inch and they take 10,000 miles.



dsharp88

(487 posts)
45. Women of the United States of America, republicans wrested from your hands the fate of your lives.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:19 PM
May 2022

#VoteIntelligently

Botany

(70,447 posts)
49. Rule of the minority over the majority ..... Alito, Roberts, Kavanaugh, Gorsch,and Coney Island ..
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:20 PM
May 2022

.... have no business on the court and 3 other women all with the same stories about Thomas' behavior
were not heard.

This will turn out the women's vote for blue big time.

BTW "they" aim to rig the election big time.

JohnSJ

(92,061 posts)
52. Hey Nina Turner, David Sirota, Briahna and Joy Gray. Aren't you proud that you not only refused to
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:22 PM
May 2022

to vote for Hillary in the general election in 2016, but encouraged others to do likewise, and showed no remorse for your actions

You own this

JohnSJ

(92,061 posts)
68. Yup, and that is what a lot of the folks that listened to them did, voted for Jill Stein
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:32 PM
May 2022

Nader the candidate in 2000 that gave us bush, and Jill Stein did it in 2016

ancianita

(35,939 posts)
60. This impacts 51% females of the USA, ruled by a majority male SCOTUS.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:26 PM
May 2022

Overturning all settled law that protects the rights of 51% of the US population.


In January 1973, the Supreme Court issued a 7–2 decision in McCorvey's favor ruling that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides a "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's right to choose whether to have an abortion.

This is not about mere religious belief based on Iron Age holy books. This is about human rights violations.

HALF THE AMERICAN POPULATION IS IN THE SCOTUS MINDER ZONE BECAUSE MEN'S negative justice already HAS overly burdened abortion access and other laws now passed by the hundreds against women.

This SCOTUS argument to overturn Roe is negative legal control of over half the population's god-given free will and bodily autonomy and privacy. It is a humanitarian catastrophe.



dixiechiken1

(2,113 posts)
115. I find myself thinking thoughts like that...
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:13 PM
May 2022

Way, way, WAAYYYY more often than ever before lately. I'm sure it's not healthy but THEY'VE DRIVEN ME TO IT!

Ocelot II

(115,608 posts)
89. I am not aware of any such occurrences in the past.
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:43 PM
May 2022

Courts are very protective of internal deliberations. I was once a clerk for a state appellate court whose procedures were similar, and we weren't allowed to tell anybody, even a spouse, what cases we were working on, let alone how the court was likely to decide. If someone had actually leaked a draft opinion and their identity was discovered, their head would have rolled - they'd have been summarily fired, and they'd probably never get a law-related job again. The USSC is certainly at least as strict. Whoever leaked this was taking a huge chance, and I am wondering what their motive might be.

Ocelot II

(115,608 posts)
138. The Pentagon Papers were leaked, but not from the Supreme Court.
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:01 PM
May 2022

There was also a leak about a vote not to hear the Watergate appeals of Haldeman, Ehrlichman and Mitchell. But no draft Supreme Court opinion has ever been leaked before.

hatrack

(59,578 posts)
73. "Hillary's too much of a corporate democrat!"
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:33 PM
May 2022

"I don't like the way she laughs!"

"Both sides are just as bad!"

"Biden hasn't done everything he promised to do - I don't think I can vote for him again!"

herding cats

(19,558 posts)
103. "It's established law. They'll never overturn it!"
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:02 PM
May 2022

I'm so freaking heartbroken and pissed off right now!

turbinetree

(24,683 posts)
76. Maybe its time to expand the courts......
Mon May 2, 2022, 09:34 PM
May 2022

So do these modern day state rights confederates think that Medicare and Social Security should be next.....its not written the Constitution......hell just throw the preamble out the window......the federalist society must have over looked that simple fact .......promote the general welfare.......

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."


turbinetree

(24,683 posts)
243. If people don't fully understand what this means, then maybe someone should explain to them that
Tue May 3, 2022, 09:56 AM
May 2022

privacy is just out the window, social contracts out the window, there grandparents will lose there social security, and they will have to go back and live with the kid, clean food and water they consume out the window, clean air out the window, these federalist society hypocrites are a clear and present danger to this society and I am really not into theocracies......

Orrex

(63,172 posts)
108. Well, I hope that women enjoyed their brief taste of personhood because those days are over
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:07 PM
May 2022

And the nation is doomed.

wnylib

(21,346 posts)
179. I will ALWAYS be a person,
Mon May 2, 2022, 11:49 PM
May 2022

regardless of what any court or legislature says. They do not define me. I do.

Alpeduez21

(1,750 posts)
113. Fuck you Jill Stein and protest voters. Fuck you
Mon May 2, 2022, 10:12 PM
May 2022

Hope making perfect the enemy of good enough has served you well cause it sure has fucked the country.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

LeftInTX

(25,141 posts)
203. A look into Alito's fucked up mind!
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:26 AM
May 2022

I skimmed it.

I'm thinking: This is one person's opinion.
It's full of shit

It's like he was really pissed and just wrote a bunch of shit.

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
196. Susan Collins??? Curious what you think now
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:13 AM
May 2022

Though I'm almost certain you are either concerned, or your opinion of Kavanaugh was just aspirational (emphasis on the ass part)

Kablooie

(18,612 posts)
204. I believe it was purposely leaked by someone.
Tue May 3, 2022, 12:30 AM
May 2022

I don’t see how it could help the right to leak it. They will get what they want when it’s finalized.
But how could an early leak help the pro choice side?
Cause overpowering opposition in the hopes that the court will back down?
Seems like a futile goal but why else could it have been leaked?

LittleGirl

(8,280 posts)
209. So women's bodies have less automony than a corpse eh?
Tue May 3, 2022, 01:28 AM
May 2022

Because that's what this does. You can't touch a dead body even to save a life of another.
But a pregnant woman...she has to do what the court wants.

C Moon

(12,209 posts)
211. This was done to take public's eye off the fact that our country was almost overthrown on Jan 6.
Tue May 3, 2022, 01:37 AM
May 2022

And that Trump has several court cases against him.
And that De Santis is taking on Disney.
And that much of the GOP supports a putin as he is committing atrocities in Ukraine.
The list goes on.

The GOP looks TERRIBLE right now.

They ALWAYS bring abortion to the table at election time, and this is the ultimate.

THIS WAS DONE TO HIDE ALL THE CRAP I MENTIONED ABOVE.

...and now we get to watch as Twitter becomes an important tool for the GOP. Just watch.

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,939 posts)
218. The target has always been the right to privacy
Tue May 3, 2022, 02:32 AM
May 2022

This is the asshole who drafted the Texas abortion law. This asshole wants to strike down the implied right of privacy by getting Roe overruled which would/could lead to striking down the right to same sex marriage. interracial marriage, gay sex and other rights

There is a pattern here. These assholes want to get rid of Griswold and undo the right of privacy. That would cause Lawrence v. Texas (consensual same sex intercourse), Cooling v. Virginia (inter-racial marriage), birth control and same sex marriage to be overturned.



https://www.comicsands.com/jonathan-mitchell-overturn-gay-marriage-2655065691.html
Though Mitchell's brief, also signed by his co-counsel Adam Mortara, dedicates much of its time to the Texas abortion law's defense, it also questions "lawless" pieces of legislation, namely the Lawrence v. Texas ruling, which decriminalized gay sex nationwide, and the Obergefell v. Hodges ruling, which legalized same-sex marriage.

Though the brief does not say reversing Roe v. Wade would threaten the same-sex marriage ruling, it does say that

""the news is not as good for those who hope to preserve the court-invented rights to homosexual behavior and same-sex marriage …
"These 'rights,' like the right to abortion from Roe, are judicial concoctions, and there is no other source of law that can be invoked to salvage their existence."

It goes on to add that while the Supreme Court should not necessarily overturn Lawrence and Obergefell, it should consider these two rulings as "lawless" as Roe v. Wade and, by extension, Planned Parenthood v. Casey.

"This is not to say that the Court should announce the overruling of Lawrence and Obergefell if it decides to overrule Roe and Casey in this case."
"But neither should the Court hesitate to write an opinion that leaves those decisions hanging by a thread. Lawrence and Obergefell, while far less hazardous to human life, are as lawless as Roe."







BumRushDaShow

(128,515 posts)
221. I had heard this and saw the OP before going offline last night
Tue May 3, 2022, 04:52 AM
May 2022

and of all the years that I have been on DU (14), I don't know if I recall a news item that literally caused a enough for this OP to be the last one for the rest of a night.

Literally, posted at 8:51 PM EDT last night and at 4:51 am EDT (just hit before this post time), no new LBN OP since.

bucolic_frolic

(43,062 posts)
224. "must be" - not 'We overrule it'
Tue May 3, 2022, 07:21 AM
May 2022

Seems escaping responsibility to me. How has this legal 'flaw' been hiding in plain sight for FIFTY YEARS and no one noticed?

Vinca

(50,237 posts)
227. I have just 2 thoughts on this issue:
Tue May 3, 2022, 07:51 AM
May 2022

#1 - I view this as a "control over your own body" issue and not an abortion issue. Imagine what would happen if the court ruled all men must have yearly colonoscopies for the next 18 years. The only person who gets to decide birth or no birth is the individual carrying the cells in question. Katty Kay made a good point this morning about men when an unexpected/unwanted pregnancy occurs. They are often nowhere to be found . . . for the next 18 plus years of child rearing and support. This is not equal rights under the law by any stretch of the imagination. And . . .

#2 - Fuck each and every person who decided they didn't like Hillary Clinton in 2016 and wrote in Bernie or Jill or Vermin Supreme (perennial New Hampshire candidate). We wouldn't be close to being in this predicament if Hillary had won all the electoral votes as well as the popular vote. I swear if I hear any person say there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats so they aren't going to vote I'll smash them in the mouth.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
231. An Idea
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:12 AM
May 2022

I heard an idea a few years ago that if abortion were outlawed in the US that the Republican Party would lose a large tranche of their voters. This is the one issue that brings them all together and ensures their loyalty. Once this is settled law, their coalitions will fall apart.

SKKY

(11,794 posts)
234. I think the most interesting aspect to this is why was it leaked?
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:28 AM
May 2022

Is someone wavering, for either side, and this was done to push them over the edge? Could this have been done to give Democrats time to expand the court? Either way, I don't think this was done by accident, nor without specific intentions. Just not sure what those intentions are.

Paladin

(28,243 posts)
235. Take it to the streets. Take it within government buildings.
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:32 AM
May 2022

trump's fascist hordes have already shown how effective such actions are. We are within plain sight of losing what remains of our democracy---we need to fight for it. This is what happens when you repeatedly try to play nice with rightwing thugs.

sinkingfeeling

(51,438 posts)
236. Big, big flaw in that! The 'issue of abortion' should be returned to
Tue May 3, 2022, 08:44 AM
May 2022

Women and their doctors. Not 'elected representatives'.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
240. Only step one, contraceptive rights are next.
Tue May 3, 2022, 09:48 AM
May 2022

Right wingers never will be satisfied. This is only the first step.

Novara

(5,822 posts)
244. Well duh. They said "and Casey"
Tue May 3, 2022, 09:57 AM
May 2022

Everybody is so damned focused on Roe that they're not paying attention to two very important words: "and Casey."

That means your right to birth control, women.

We need to organize another massive Women's March.

We knew this was coming but honestly, I didn't expect this level of rage. We have to expand the Senate and the House and they will write legislation to protect women. I'm sure this SCOTUS would overturn it, but we can re-establish our rights in the meantime.

And while we're at it, PASS THE FUCKIING ERA! If we have equal rights, we have equal autonomy. Any law limiting that is immediately unconstitutional, no ifs, ands, or buts.

llashram

(6,265 posts)
245. IF this initial opinion
Tue May 3, 2022, 10:03 AM
May 2022

by Alito survives, incompetence, RW bigotry and male(with female help) misogyny and self hate rules. Next, Civil Rights, Voting Rights Acts...no doubts. and no surprise. The recent packing of the Supreme Court with justices THAT DO NOT BELONG THERE, trumps picks, is about to turn back the clock to the "good old days" for the white male and those who lick his boots.

malthaussen

(17,175 posts)
250. Well, we knew they'd pull this if they got the chance.
Tue May 3, 2022, 10:25 AM
May 2022

It's still a travesty. The Court's credibility continues to plummet.

Maybe, while we're at it, we should send the question of slavery "back to the states," as that, too, would be in line with a certain interpretation of the Constitution.

-- Mal

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
258. Aito Is A Little Fast And Loose With The Truth
Wed May 4, 2022, 08:43 PM
May 2022

With a couple of his comments on the history of abortion in this country. He has to be in order to make his opinion work. One of the issues with this ruling then is how really weak its arguments are. It reminds one of Dred Scott in that regard. There is also the issue of integrity that has to be dealt with. At least 2 of the conservative justices made statements under oath that cannot be reconciled by their votes here. That is called perjury. The ramifications here should go well beyond the issue of a woman's right to choose.

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