Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights, draft opinion shows
Source: Politico
"We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft circulated inside the court.
The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision - Planned Parenthood v. Casey - that largely maintained the right. "Roe was egregiously wrong from the start," Alito writes.
"We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," he writes in the document, labeled as the "Opinion of the Court." "It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people's elected representatives."
Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court's holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
Read more: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/05/02/supreme-court-abortion-draft-opinion-00029473
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nini
(16,691 posts)We really must hold on to congress.
So sick of this.
TheBlackAdder
(28,850 posts)Deep State Witch
(11,182 posts)Disappointed. Will probably get sick to see the Fundies dancing the in the streets. I'm glad that my childbearing years are over.
elleng
(135,687 posts)a draft can be changed, and likely will be changed in unknown ways.
tishaLA
(14,309 posts)So see how much of an uproar there'd be and then only taking away reproductive freedom after the first 10 weeks will seem moderate.
Raven123
(5,934 posts)tishaLA
(14,309 posts)But it's my attempt to remain sane right now
elleng
(135,687 posts)and that on the part of an insider (clerk/employee/etc) hoping for good/changes, if not in result, then on basis for rationale.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,353 posts)They don't give a crap about them. They know they are not going to vote R regardless.
No, the R judges want to float this balloon to see if there are too many uppity womenfolk that usually vote R who might also not like their rights curbed like that either.
TheBlackAdder
(28,850 posts).
SCOTUS is empowered knowing that the GOP redistricting efforts and voter suppression are underway.
This will set up the seizure of the House and then a slow retake of the Senate starting 4 years from now.
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OrlandoDem2
(2,251 posts)This is a crisis!!
elleng
(135,687 posts)onenote
(44,274 posts)It may, but it also could be that there will be 5 or 6 votes to uphold the Mississippi law but no more than four justices who vote to overturn.
Not saying that's the case, but not ruling it out either.
wnylib
(24,178 posts)has said on their newscast that this draft has all the earmarks of an official SC vote decision to overturn Roe.
The Grand Illuminist
(1,614 posts)Because that is what it is gonna take.
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onenote
(44,274 posts)Response to onenote (Reply #159)
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oldsoftie
(13,508 posts)Jedi Guy
(3,308 posts)riversedge
(72,867 posts)peppertree
(22,846 posts)Not just a cheesy theme restaurant anymore.
Mike Nelson
(10,252 posts)... there are not many big issues that are less big government's business that having a baby.
ShazzieB
(18,486 posts)nattyice
(339 posts)Ocelot II
(120,154 posts)Sometimes to good results, e.g., Dred Scott; sometimes not.
zipplewrath
(16,685 posts)A bit like Brown vs. Board, they don't just overturn a previous decision by saying it was wrong, but by underscoring how it has been learned since then that the underlying reasoning has been demonstrated by history to be wrong. They can't do that in this case.
onenote
(44,274 posts)In 2003, the Court overruled Bowers v. Hardwick, a 1986case that had upheld a Georgia anti-sodomy law. Justice Kennedy's opinion was unambiguous: "Bowers was not correct when it was decided, and it is not correct today."
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)Women are now the property of the far right on the Supreme Court.....
Qutzupalotl
(15,064 posts)wnylib
(24,178 posts)Some past decisions have been reversed.
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)is as worthless as any which came from the Dred Scot court....
hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)I cant believe this is just being accepted. This is a major issue that will mean women die. And its like nobody even cares.
Makes me want to puke.
Ocelot II
(120,154 posts)They can't control the Supreme Court and there's no way to pass federal legislation protecting abortion in this Congress. What do you suggest they do?
hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)Expand the court. Expose Clarence Thomas for the crazy ass that he is. Whatever it takes. I dont care.
Ive been watching the laws in red states and weve all known this was coming. Something should have been done before it got to this point. We live in a fucking democracy and the majority of Americans believe that a woman has a right to control her own body. Why doesnt that mean anything?
Are we taking to the streets yet? Whats it going to take for us to take back our way of life? Because that is what is being taken away from us!!!
Emotional response? Hell yes. And it should be the same for everyone.
sheshe2
(87,075 posts)She warned us, yet was ignored. She said get out and vote and so many did not.
hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)Why do you think I cried the night of the election and missed work the following day? Because I knew!!!
And I was not alone!!!
electric_blue68
(17,592 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts).... even though I voted for Bernie in the primaries that year...
She was certainly right about this--
and she was right to call out "the deplorables"...
Karma13612
(4,668 posts)I voted for Bernie in the primary.
Then, for the general, I voted for Hillary while I shed a tear in the voting booth. But, I did it. Darn it.
This is just terrible. Im not directly effected because I am 68, but my heart is breaking. We are regressing as a nation. I cant abide it any longer.
Just speechless right now.
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electric_blue68
(17,592 posts)income women-sisters!!!
And other pontential domino issues.
Karma13612
(4,668 posts)And the plight of women across America is changing now.
Im not so sure women can fight back alone. Not sure if I will get flagged for this but, it would be awesome if more men would stand up and shout about this as well. SOME men think that all they are responsible for is the night of love-making. And the woman just has to take care of any consequences after the fact. When it hits them in the face that their lover is pregnant and cant get an abortion, are they going to do something about it? Cant they think ahead a bit?
This needs to be a team effort. I dont see it happening.
electric_blue68
(17,592 posts)Karma13612
(4,668 posts)Make good use of their ENORMOUS profits and lobby to NOT let Oral Contraceptives be outlawed. And when I mean Oral Contraceptives, I mean those specifically. I am not talking about Plan Bs or morning after pills.
I think ALL of those should be available easily. I think big pharma should stand up and scream bloody murder if red states try to ban OCs in particular. Otherwise, they are even worse than they behave right now.
sheshe2
(87,075 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)An older white liberal Democratic male...
All the news articles about "angry older white men" abandoning the Democrats for Trump, angered ME...
sheshe2
(87,075 posts)Don't get angry, no one means you. You are one of the good ones that stand with us.
Thank you for that.
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)Or, not angry at you, hahahaha.
Thank you for your sentiments.
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lapucelle
(19,519 posts)and then encouraged them to vote for Jill Stein.
sheshe2
(87,075 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)Time to bring out the hammers and pitchforks. The politicians have failed us, in this instance.
hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)n/t
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,882 posts)Protests are starting
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We need to GOTV like crazy and beat the shit out of the GOP in the midterms. We need to flip red states like Texas, Georgia, Florisa and Arizona.
nini
(16,691 posts)Theres only so much elected Dems can do if were not making sure theres more of us than them,
hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)n/t
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)the young women of America, and the older women too, will turn out to vote Democratic in this mid-term-- especially for the Senate races.
That is my hope.
If they don't, then they will live in the country for which they did not vote.
I think we can get that vote to turn out...
electric_blue68
(17,592 posts)a Presidential election (maaaybe a primary). Never or almost never a Congressional election (maaaaybe a primary).
And yeah I've gotten into a few near shouting matches in public w third party people. I'm very passionate about a bunch of issues, can't always kerp my emotions quiet.
Joinfortmill
(16,283 posts)hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)For once. What are the options?
NYC Liberal
(20,331 posts)Or electing enough Democrats to congress who will expand the court.
The Grand Illuminist
(1,614 posts)As there will never be enough Senators to approve. But this would actually do more harm than good because right wing amendments like Balenced Budget and Line Item Vetoes would easily pass. As well as amendments that will officially biologically define genders as male and female.
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)??
The Grand Illuminist
(1,614 posts)Last edited Tue May 3, 2022, 03:57 AM - Edit history (1)
Article V is the creation of a constitutional convention.
ShazzieB
(18,486 posts)Give us a little time, please.
hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)Why wasnt something done to stop this before now???!!!
sheshe2
(87,075 posts)Lazy and uniformed don't bother to vote. Outside influences, some Russia and others influence the vote.
Then when we, see Biden and Obama, come into office, they have to dig into the cesspool to correct all the damage the last REPUBLICAN left behind. Bush, left us a near depression. Biden a mishandled pandemic with mishandled funds and corruption, Russian influence in our government. Then the insurrection. War in Ukraine. So many balls in the air and they need to be dealt with. It takes time and yes, some things go on the back burner.
electric_blue68
(17,592 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)The Democrats put forth legislation to statutize abortion rights into federal law--- but because of our thin majorities in both houses, it could not be passed.
This pending decision is a lesson to all American women, why Democrats should control the White House and the United States Senate (a lesson I am sure you did not need to be taught, yourself--- but many others do).
JohnSJ
(96,032 posts)consequences of their in the general election in 2016 by not voting for Hillary, but also encouraging others to do likewise
It didnt take much either. In every critical swing state Hillary lost by less than 1%, and Jill Stein in those critical swing states received 1% of the vote
Thats all it took
hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)n/t
mcar
(43,380 posts)who insisted SCOTUS and Roe weren't important while they "voted their conscience" in 2016 GE.
JohnSJ
(96,032 posts)The lesser of two evils
Both were lies
intheflow
(28,841 posts)JohnSJ
(96,032 posts)llashram
(6,269 posts)too many people "let that shit go".
mcar
(43,380 posts)Why are you excoriating Democrats now? Who is responsible for this? Hint: It's not Democrats.
hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)Why is anyone surprised? Dems should have been doing something before now.
mcar
(43,380 posts)and told us that SCOTUS wasn't important should have been doing something.
hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)You think? People dont get that we lost democracy in 2016. That is essentially what happened. It was make or break and we failed miserable.
Now, we have to fight to get it back.
herding cats
(19,606 posts)Run for local seats, never miss an election and always vote for the Democratic candidate.
There's simply no quick fix to this disaster at this point. The damage was done in the voting booths in 2016. We've made some steps forward since then, but 2022 and 2024 are literally our last hopes.
Edited: for clarity: I'm not saying your on a high-horse. I'm talking about those who chose to sit out in 2016. I warned them this was going to be the outcome and I'm pissed off at them.
hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)And I promise you, I do all of the things that you list except run for office. I simply dont have the hours in the day.
There have been times that I had to hold my nose to vote for a Democrat, but I have NEVER voted for a Republican IN MY LIFE! I dont even vote straight party ticket (when available) because if theres anyone running AGAINST a Republican, I vote for that person.
And I have done this my whole life BECAUSE I knew this day would come.
wnylib
(24,178 posts)that protects abortion rights.
The SC decision is to overturn Roe and leave it up to states.
We can win women's rights back by fighting in each state to pass laws protecting our rights.
hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)I live in Texas. I live among a bunch of fucking idiots!
wnylib
(24,178 posts)of rural reds. I fear that this will motivate them to attack abortion rights here.
Karma13612
(4,668 posts)Has enuf Democrats that will continue to drown out the rural reds. I live in a rural area of NY but there are enuf large city population areas that carry the state Blue. I am not worried about NY, from my experience.
wnylib
(24,178 posts)NYC has had Republican mayors.
Karma13612
(4,668 posts)To be troublesome. At least finding good ones. Not sure what happened to this time around. They were sold a bill of goods from what I can see.
But, weve had Democratic Governors recently, even if some weret that brilliant. Its the state legislature that you also have to be concerned with. Same as the federal level with the President, and the House and Senate. Not much gets done if you cant get your agenda passed.
electric_blue68
(17,592 posts)wnylib
(24,178 posts)Since 1900, 7 Republican mayors of NYC.
electric_blue68
(17,592 posts)Why?!!??
Because Those Democrats were More Conservative on Social Issues. Different times back then in NY.
electric_blue68
(17,592 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(153,882 posts)Response to mcar (Reply #74)
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Oneironaut
(5,759 posts)I guess Ill go whine about how terrible this is on MSNBC, and chastise members of my own party who suggest doing anything else, like protesting (gasp!).
Goddamn useless shits. Stop whining on cable news and actually organize protests ffs. We need you now. You have the clout and money to bring in crowds. Get off your fucking ass damn it!
History shows they arent going to do shit, though.
Im sure this is going to get hidden, but, you know Im right.
hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)It better not get hidden. Its the truth.
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LongtimeAZDem
(4,515 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)I don't see it just being "accepted", except from a legal standpoint. From a legal standpoint, our hands may be tied...
Personally, I think maybe we should not accept the "legal standpoint", anymore than the anti-slavery movement accepted the "legal standpoint" after the Dred Scot decision. This pending decision enslaves women, and is not Constitutional-- no matter what a right-wing Supreme Court may say. Their decision will be worth just as much as that of any bar-room in the state of Wyoming...
hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)I want to see creative means of breaking the rules. Expand the court? Whatever it takes.
What do YOU want Dems to do? Sit on their asses and say oh well?
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)As I stated elsewhere, "on the bright side, Supreme Court Justices only serve 'for life' "
hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)Have you seen the movie The Star Chamber? Really good movie.
I think a lot of the replies are sometimes alert bait. I see some of the same posters doing it. Its absurd. Why try to get someone hidden? One has to ask and then wonder what the goal is.
LetMyPeopleVote
(153,882 posts)Everyone knew that the control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016. I worked my butt off to elect Hillary in 2016 because it was clear to me and every other real democrat who looked at this issue that Roe would be dead if TFG was elected. Some stayed home and some voted for Jill Stein. Thank you, Susan Sarandon and her ilk, for this result.
We need to pick up seats in the Seante next year to be able to expand the court and to adopt a nationwide version of Roe. In Texas, we need to work hard to defeat Abbott and Dan Patrick. We have to overcome some extreme gerrymanders but we need to pick up the Texas House and Texas Senate to try to change things.
I suspect that DeathSantis will find Democrats motivated in Florida.
IronLionZion
(46,871 posts)they must think it will help turnout from their anti-choice voters
Joinfortmill
(16,283 posts)hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)But I wonder if that will even make a difference. It wont in Texas where I live.
IronLionZion
(46,871 posts)if the other side gets complacent
SouthBayDem
(32,454 posts)the pro choice activist vote will be offset by those who vote against incumbents based on their feelings about the economy
Grokenstein
(5,818 posts)They see a blueprint for a bright and shining future.
Joinfortmill
(16,283 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(153,882 posts)We are seeing the effects of the work of Jill Stein and Susan Sarandon
vanlassie
(5,899 posts)OrlandoDem2
(2,251 posts)vanlassie
(5,899 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(153,882 posts)Collins was in favor of gutting Roe but never admitted it
Rhiannon12866
(220,741 posts)Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #12)
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groundloop
(12,138 posts)nattyice
(339 posts)pwb
(12,186 posts)This election could once and for all silence the Vocal minority against women. Women form up.
Big Blue Marble
(5,441 posts)We need young people to vote in an off-year election. If this does not motivate them,
what will?
Eliot Rosewater
(32,481 posts)America is broken, very badly.
How are those HILLARY bashers feeling tonight?
ShazzieB
(18,486 posts)Which they should NOT have to do, don't get me wrong. But there ARE still places in this country where reproductive rights will continue to exist, including Illinois, where I live. As bad as this news is, we shouldn't lose sight of that.
groundloop
(12,138 posts)Once again the divide between the poor and everyone else will rear its' ugly head.
electric_blue68
(17,592 posts)in Blue States.
spudspud
(530 posts)And pass a national law banning abortion, since it's no longer a constitutionally protected right (per this draft opinion).
Raven123
(5,934 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Baitball Blogger
(47,722 posts)Judge Roberts, your leadership on the Supreme Court was part of the hard right take-over of the Court. Enjoy your success for now with your right-wing comrades. History will label you as an American failure.
Bev54
(11,891 posts)Joinfortmill
(16,283 posts)Ocelot II
(120,154 posts)TomSlick
(11,761 posts)If this leak can be traced at least one head will roll.
mahatmakanejeeves
(60,587 posts)https://politico.com/f/?id=00000180-874f-dd36-a38c-c74f98520000
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LeftInTX
(29,722 posts)It's pretty easy to do. Just copy the original and convert to PDF.
The original is not in PDF, that's for sure!
markpkessinger
(8,550 posts). . . in order to gauge public reaction before the opinion is finalized and published.
tishaLA
(14,309 posts)Enough elected repubs are already talking about it.
TomSlick
(11,761 posts)Roe is based on the right to privacy found in Griswold. If Roe falls, its predecessor Griswold must surely be next.
The marriage equality case, Obergefell, is based on the right to marry as in Loving v. Virginia. Griswold is cited in Obergefell but it is not central to the decision.
There is a movement in fundamentalist protestant circles opposed to artificial contraception. Of course, the Roman Catholic Church holds that contraception is anathema. Five justices, Roberts, Thomas, Alito, Kavanaugh and Barrett, are conservative Catholics. (Sotomayor is also Catholic but surely will not vote to overturn Roe.) If a state controlled by fundamentalists decided to ban contraception, overruling Roe sets up a reversal of Griswold and there is a sufficient conservative Catholic majority.
jmowreader
(51,361 posts)They'll certainly get around to overturning Griswold, Loving and Obergefell, but I'm betting on the religious right going shopping for a case that'll give the Supremes grounds to overturn Engel v Vitale, Abington School District v Schempp and Lee v Weisman.
Abington (1963) declared school-sponsored Bible reading unconstitutional.
Weisman (1992) declared schools sponsoring preachers to conduct prayers was unconstitutional.
Engel (1962) declared official school prayers to be unconstitutional.
The fundies have hated those three decisions for a REALLY long time.
TomSlick
(11,761 posts)If stare decisis is dead, every case is suspect. However, it's a straight line between Roe and Griswold. We are probably discussing the order in which what we thought was established law is overturned.
I'm still lost somewhere between denial and anger but I fear dark times are ahead.
hamsterjill
(15,443 posts)The crazies are chomping at the bit to make same sex couples criminals.
dalton99a
(84,048 posts)moonshinegnomie
(2,909 posts)shut the country down.
Joinfortmill
(16,283 posts)wnylib
(24,178 posts)demmiblue
(37,840 posts)Sorry one last thing for those wondering about Court procedure: After oral argument the Justices take a tentative vote. This would have happened in December. The senior most justice in the majority gets to assign the opinion. That might have been Roberts, but doubtful since...
Alito wrote this draft.
Now, once the draft is circulated, the justices in dissent will write an opinion. That's presumably happening now. But the tenative vote seems strong, and Chief Justice Roberts is irrelevant if the 4 + Alito hold with their tentative votes.
So there is the possibility an opinion can flip after oral argument and the tentative vote, so it's theoretically powerful the Alito opinion won't be the vote of the Court. But it would require a Justice BESIDES Chief Justice Roberts to flip.
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Ocelot II
(120,154 posts)Draft opinions are never leaked. Who did it, and what was their purpose? Might the leak affect the outcome? Katyal is right; this is Pentagon Papers-level leakage.
ShazzieB
(18,486 posts)Ocelot II
(120,154 posts)relating to its deliberations. It's not like a copy fell into a waste basket and somebody found it in a dumpster. This just doesn't happen.
electric_blue68
(17,592 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)justices leaked it though.
This leak WILL have repercussions.
wnylib
(24,178 posts)scarletlib
(3,480 posts)In discussing forcing women to have babies she said it is a form of ownership of a womans body. If a military draft still existed and men were still conscripted that is also government ownership of the body.
When men were drafted, the government then had the responsibility to see that they were housed, fed given medical treatment, and paid accordingly.
Her point is that the government is conscripting women into forced pregnancy then it has the obligation to proved appropriate housing, food ,medical support and financial support.
If this comes to pass enterprising attorneys need to file class action lawsuits to force states to provide support.
DBoon
(22,993 posts)This implies a woman is owned from puberty to menopause, meaning most of her adult life
This is close to slavery, where one is owned from birth to death
vlyons
(10,252 posts)and that will be close to impossible
bucolic_frolic
(46,611 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,668 posts)THIS IS ON YOU, and may generations of women hate you for it
tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)Piasladic
(1,161 posts)DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)LongtimeAZDem
(4,515 posts)betsuni
(27,255 posts)tiredtoo
(2,949 posts)How are the repugs going to get the Evangelicals to vote?
wnylib
(24,178 posts)marriage equality are next.
If they get those through, the next agenda item will be to rescind civil rights laws. The SC has made a start on that already by eliminating voting oversight in states where it was required.
Give them an inch and they take 10,000 miles.
dsharp88
(506 posts)#VoteIntelligently
Botany
(72,308 posts).... have no business on the court and 3 other women all with the same stories about Thomas' behavior
were not heard.
This will turn out the women's vote for blue big time.
BTW "they" aim to rig the election big time.
JohnSJ
(96,032 posts)to vote for Hillary in the general election in 2016, but encouraged others to do likewise, and showed no remorse for your actions
You own this
DonCoquixote
(13,668 posts)all the other pets at Russia Today.
JohnSJ
(96,032 posts)Nader the candidate in 2000 that gave us bush, and Jill Stein did it in 2016
greatauntoftriplets
(176,727 posts)madamesilverspurs
(16,024 posts)StarryNite
(10,676 posts)ancianita
(38,122 posts)Overturning all settled law that protects the rights of 51% of the US population.
In January 1973, the Supreme Court issued a 72 decision in McCorvey's favor ruling that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides a "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's right to choose whether to have an abortion.
This is not about mere religious belief based on Iron Age holy books. This is about human rights violations.
HALF THE AMERICAN POPULATION IS IN THE SCOTUS MINDER ZONE BECAUSE MEN'S negative justice already HAS overly burdened abortion access and other laws now passed by the hundreds against women.
This SCOTUS argument to overturn Roe is negative legal control of over half the population's god-given free will and bodily autonomy and privacy. It is a humanitarian catastrophe.
electric_blue68
(17,592 posts)LiberalFighter
(53,435 posts)dixiechiken1
(2,113 posts)Way, way, WAAYYYY more often than ever before lately. I'm sure it's not healthy but THEY'VE DRIVEN ME TO IT!
mcar
(43,380 posts)Ocelot II
(120,154 posts)Courts are very protective of internal deliberations. I was once a clerk for a state appellate court whose procedures were similar, and we weren't allowed to tell anybody, even a spouse, what cases we were working on, let alone how the court was likely to decide. If someone had actually leaked a draft opinion and their identity was discovered, their head would have rolled - they'd have been summarily fired, and they'd probably never get a law-related job again. The USSC is certainly at least as strict. Whoever leaked this was taking a huge chance, and I am wondering what their motive might be.
mcar
(43,380 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)mcar
(43,380 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Ocelot II
(120,154 posts)There was also a leak about a vote not to hear the Watergate appeals of Haldeman, Ehrlichman and Mitchell. But no draft Supreme Court opinion has ever been leaked before.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Ocelot II
(120,154 posts)milestogo
(17,411 posts)hatrack
(60,623 posts)"I don't like the way she laughs!"
"Both sides are just as bad!"
"Biden hasn't done everything he promised to do - I don't think I can vote for him again!"
mcar
(43,380 posts)herding cats
(19,606 posts)I'm so freaking heartbroken and pissed off right now!
mcar
(43,380 posts)JohnSJ
(96,032 posts)turbinetree
(25,223 posts)So do these modern day state rights confederates think that Medicare and Social Security should be next.....its not written the Constitution......hell just throw the preamble out the window......the federalist society must have over looked that simple fact .......promote the general welfare.......
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."
dalton99a
(84,048 posts)turbinetree
(25,223 posts)privacy is just out the window, social contracts out the window, there grandparents will lose there social security, and they will have to go back and live with the kid, clean food and water they consume out the window, clean air out the window, these federalist society hypocrites are a clear and present danger to this society and I am really not into theocracies......
onenote
(44,274 posts)turbinetree
(25,223 posts)Cozmo
(1,402 posts)Ocelot II
(120,154 posts)Rebl2
(14,503 posts)The majority of Americans are in favor of choice
JudyM
(29,497 posts)Orrex
(63,941 posts)And the nation is doomed.
wnylib
(24,178 posts)regardless of what any court or legislature says. They do not define me. I do.
Orrex
(63,941 posts)wnylib
(24,178 posts)rickford66
(5,645 posts)neither is auto or semi-automatic weapons.
Alpeduez21
(1,859 posts)Hope making perfect the enemy of good enough has served you well cause it sure has fucked the country.
StevieM
(10,535 posts)This is exactly what he wanted.
uppityperson
(115,804 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Is a Kangaroo Court. Pass it on.
JoeOtterbein
(7,783 posts)I have heard view here at least a few times.
rockfordfile
(8,728 posts)Ocelot II
(120,154 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,783 posts)...does not leave any room for anything else.
qwlauren35
(6,269 posts)I don't think the Times would have run it if it wasn't credible.
wnylib
(24,178 posts)OneCrazyDiamond
(2,045 posts)rockfordfile
(8,728 posts)no_hypocrisy
(48,582 posts)Response to demmiblue (Original post)
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electric_blue68
(17,592 posts)electric_blue68
(17,592 posts)Blue Owl
(54,563 posts)LeftInTX
(29,722 posts)I skimmed it.
I'm thinking: This is one person's opinion.
It's full of shit
It's like he was really pissed and just wrote a bunch of shit.
Polybius
(17,352 posts)Tomorrow? Or still unknown?
rpannier
(24,561 posts)Though I'm almost certain you are either concerned, or your opinion of Kavanaugh was just aspirational (emphasis on the ass part)
Novara
(6,112 posts)Kablooie
(18,728 posts)I dont see how it could help the right to leak it. They will get what they want when its finalized.
But how could an early leak help the pro choice side?
Cause overpowering opposition in the hopes that the court will back down?
Seems like a futile goal but why else could it have been leaked?
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)LittleGirl
(8,389 posts)Because that's what this does. You can't touch a dead body even to save a life of another.
But a pregnant woman...she has to do what the court wants.
C Moon
(12,525 posts)And that Trump has several court cases against him.
And that De Santis is taking on Disney.
And that much of the GOP supports a putin as he is committing atrocities in Ukraine.
The list goes on.
The GOP looks TERRIBLE right now.
They ALWAYS bring abortion to the table at election time, and this is the ultimate.
THIS WAS DONE TO HIDE ALL THE CRAP I MENTIONED ABOVE.
...and now we get to watch as Twitter becomes an important tool for the GOP. Just watch.
StarryNite
(10,676 posts)from all of the other stuff.
C Moon
(12,525 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(153,882 posts)This is the asshole who drafted the Texas abortion law. This asshole wants to strike down the implied right of privacy by getting Roe overruled which would/could lead to striking down the right to same sex marriage. interracial marriage, gay sex and other rights
There is a pattern here. These assholes want to get rid of Griswold and undo the right of privacy. That would cause Lawrence v. Texas (consensual same sex intercourse), Cooling v. Virginia (inter-racial marriage), birth control and same sex marriage to be overturned.
Link to tweet
https://www.comicsands.com/jonathan-mitchell-overturn-gay-marriage-2655065691.html
Though the brief does not say reversing Roe v. Wade would threaten the same-sex marriage ruling, it does say that
""the news is not as good for those who hope to preserve the court-invented rights to homosexual behavior and same-sex marriage
"These 'rights,' like the right to abortion from Roe, are judicial concoctions, and there is no other source of law that can be invoked to salvage their existence."
It goes on to add that while the Supreme Court should not necessarily overturn Lawrence and Obergefell, it should consider these two rulings as "lawless" as Roe v. Wade and, by extension, Planned Parenthood v. Casey.
"This is not to say that the Court should announce the overruling of Lawrence and Obergefell if it decides to overrule Roe and Casey in this case."
"But neither should the Court hesitate to write an opinion that leaves those decisions hanging by a thread. Lawrence and Obergefell, while far less hazardous to human life, are as lawless as Roe."
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
dalton99a
(84,048 posts)YoshidaYui
(42,621 posts)BumRushDaShow
(141,049 posts)and of all the years that I have been on DU (14), I don't know if I recall a news item that literally caused a enough for this OP to be the last one for the rest of a night.
Literally, posted at 8:51 PM EDT last night and at 4:51 am EDT (just hit before this post time), no new LBN OP since.
bucolic_frolic
(46,611 posts)Seems escaping responsibility to me. How has this legal 'flaw' been hiding in plain sight for FIFTY YEARS and no one noticed?
Vinca
(50,894 posts)#1 - I view this as a "control over your own body" issue and not an abortion issue. Imagine what would happen if the court ruled all men must have yearly colonoscopies for the next 18 years. The only person who gets to decide birth or no birth is the individual carrying the cells in question. Katty Kay made a good point this morning about men when an unexpected/unwanted pregnancy occurs. They are often nowhere to be found . . . for the next 18 plus years of child rearing and support. This is not equal rights under the law by any stretch of the imagination. And . . .
#2 - Fuck each and every person who decided they didn't like Hillary Clinton in 2016 and wrote in Bernie or Jill or Vermin Supreme (perennial New Hampshire candidate). We wouldn't be close to being in this predicament if Hillary had won all the electoral votes as well as the popular vote. I swear if I hear any person say there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats so they aren't going to vote I'll smash them in the mouth.
McKim
(2,412 posts)I heard an idea a few years ago that if abortion were outlawed in the US that the Republican Party would lose a large tranche of their voters. This is the one issue that brings them all together and ensures their loyalty. Once this is settled law, their coalitions will fall apart.
SKKY
(12,183 posts)Is someone wavering, for either side, and this was done to push them over the edge? Could this have been done to give Democrats time to expand the court? Either way, I don't think this was done by accident, nor without specific intentions. Just not sure what those intentions are.
Paladin
(28,717 posts)trump's fascist hordes have already shown how effective such actions are. We are within plain sight of losing what remains of our democracy---we need to fight for it. This is what happens when you repeatedly try to play nice with rightwing thugs.
sinkingfeeling
(52,959 posts)Women and their doctors. Not 'elected representatives'.
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Jon King
(1,910 posts)Right wingers never will be satisfied. This is only the first step.
Novara
(6,112 posts)Everybody is so damned focused on Roe that they're not paying attention to two very important words: "and Casey."
That means your right to birth control, women.
We need to organize another massive Women's March.
We knew this was coming but honestly, I didn't expect this level of rage. We have to expand the Senate and the House and they will write legislation to protect women. I'm sure this SCOTUS would overturn it, but we can re-establish our rights in the meantime.
And while we're at it, PASS THE FUCKIING ERA! If we have equal rights, we have equal autonomy. Any law limiting that is immediately unconstitutional, no ifs, ands, or buts.
llashram
(6,269 posts)by Alito survives, incompetence, RW bigotry and male(with female help) misogyny and self hate rules. Next, Civil Rights, Voting Rights Acts...no doubts. and no surprise. The recent packing of the Supreme Court with justices THAT DO NOT BELONG THERE, trumps picks, is about to turn back the clock to the "good old days" for the white male and those who lick his boots.
BlueWavePsych
(3,056 posts)malthaussen
(17,650 posts)It's still a travesty. The Court's credibility continues to plummet.
Maybe, while we're at it, we should send the question of slavery "back to the states," as that, too, would be in line with a certain interpretation of the Constitution.
-- Mal
Novara
(6,112 posts)Response to demmiblue (Original post)
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TeamProg
(6,630 posts)LeftInTX
(29,722 posts)DallasNE
(7,546 posts)With a couple of his comments on the history of abortion in this country. He has to be in order to make his opinion work. One of the issues with this ruling then is how really weak its arguments are. It reminds one of Dred Scott in that regard. There is also the issue of integrity that has to be dealt with. At least 2 of the conservative justices made statements under oath that cannot be reconciled by their votes here. That is called perjury. The ramifications here should go well beyond the issue of a woman's right to choose.