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swag

(26,487 posts)
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 04:41 PM Feb 2022

National Archives acknowledges classified documents were found in boxes at Mar-a-Lago after Trump le

Source: CNN


By Katelyn Polantz

CNN —
The National Archives acknowledged Friday it has discussed with the Department of Justice that classified records were found in boxes at Mar-a-Lago after former President Donald Trump left office, according to a letter from Archivist David Ferriero to the House Oversight Committee.

The letter, released by the Archives Friday, also provided more detail on reports that Trump tore up records after being warned not to while he was President.

The Archives arranged for the transport of about 15 boxes of records from Trump’s Florida resort last month after the agency sought them from the former President’s team.

“NARA has identified items marked as classified national security information within the boxes,” Ferriero wrote, responding to a question from the House. “Because NARA identified classified information in the boxes, NARA staff has been in communication with the Department of Justice.”

Read more: https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/18/politics/national-archives-trump-department-of-justice/index.html

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National Archives acknowledges classified documents were found in boxes at Mar-a-Lago after Trump le (Original Post) swag Feb 2022 OP
Yeah, But What About... ruet Feb 2022 #1
Shhhhh! 🤫 Tommymac Feb 2022 #2
Merrick, Merrick....? lagomorph777 Feb 2022 #3
Lock Him Up DanieRains Feb 2022 #4
Let me guess what those documents covered. Botany Feb 2022 #5
How many of the classified documents are missing? IthinkThereforeIAM Feb 2022 #6
Has it ever been disclosed how those documents were found at Mar a Lago? groundloop Feb 2022 #7
documents Slammer Feb 2022 #21
check the orange assholes plumbing. nt Javaman Feb 2022 #8
Of course there were. greatauntoftriplets Feb 2022 #9
And we can we expect Mar-a-Lago to be searched by a swat team and Trump to be arrested ??? SamKnause Feb 2022 #10
Can't Trump say that all the documents he has he declassified when he was president? marie999 Feb 2022 #11
I only can guess there must be an "official" procedure to follow for that. Justice matters. Feb 2022 #12
Fine... all well and good... however... NotHardly Feb 2022 #13
One thing is for sure Ohioboy Feb 2022 #14
But her damn emails.... Historic NY Feb 2022 #15
Those are the boxes they found. SergeStorms Feb 2022 #16
If we gets away with mishandling and/or destroying slightlv Feb 2022 #17
Soledad lowers the Boom MurrayDelph Feb 2022 #18
I was a Security Manager during two of my Navy tours maxrandb Feb 2022 #19
Very much agree. ificandream Feb 2022 #24
embezzlement Slammer Feb 2022 #20
Desperate Donny tonekat Feb 2022 #22
I wonder what he has already sold or given away. Treasonous fuck needs no-knock FBI raid. Evolve Dammit Feb 2022 #23
Nothing will come of this. Scruffy1 Feb 2022 #25

Botany

(70,559 posts)
5. Let me guess what those documents covered.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 04:57 PM
Feb 2022

Trump and Russia.

The man has been and still is an active Russian asset.

A New Report Adds Evidence That Trump Was a Russian Asset
He helped Putin manipulate the U.S. election in 2020, as he did in 2016.

As to Russia, the report leaves no doubt: In 2020, as in 2016, “President Putin authorized, and a range of Russian government organizations conducted, influence operations” to help Trump and hurt his Democratic opponent. For example, “Shortly after the 2018 midterm elections, Russian intelligence cyber actors attempted to hack organizations primarily affiliated with the Democratic Party.” Then, in late 2019, Russia’s military intelligence service, the GRU, “conducted a phishing campaign against subsidiaries of Burisma holdings, likely in an attempt to gather information related to President Biden’s family.” Throughout the 2020 election, agents “connected to the Russian Federal Security Service,” FSB, planted negative stories about Biden. Internet operatives working for the Kremlin, including the troll farm that had boosted Trump in 2016, continued to promote “Trump and his commentary, including repeating his political messaging.”

Attacks on Biden and his son, Hunter, were part of this operation. Through “US officials and prominent US individuals, some of whom were close to former President Trump and his administration,” the report says Russia’s intelligence services “repeatedly spread unsubstantiated or misleading claims about President Biden and his family’s alleged wrongdoing related to Ukraine.” In this way, Trump’s circle “laundered” the Russian-planted stories, which were then recirculated—and promoted by Russia’s online proxies—as American news.


https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/03/trump-russian-asset-election-intelligence-community-report.html

IthinkThereforeIAM

(3,076 posts)
6. How many of the classified documents are missing?
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 05:04 PM
Feb 2022

... does the NARA know what they are expecting to get back from TFG, or is it anyone's guess what he took and what he still retains, or has already passed on to one of his, "visitors", to the club?

groundloop

(11,521 posts)
7. Has it ever been disclosed how those documents were found at Mar a Lago?
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 05:14 PM
Feb 2022

I can't imagine 45* simply letting someone waltz in and look for top secret documents, and he's PROBABLY not stupid enough to blab to anyone and everyone that he's got top secret documents stashed there.

Did the National Archives get a search warrant? I've just never heard how this stuff was discovered.

Slammer

(714 posts)
21. documents
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 12:46 AM
Feb 2022

According to tonight's Rachel Maddow Show, the National Archives had been in negotiations with Trump since sometime in the middle of last year to get him to voluntarily turn over the documents.

And Trump eventually turned over (what appears to be), a certain subset of documents that he stole.

SamKnause

(13,108 posts)
10. And we can we expect Mar-a-Lago to be searched by a swat team and Trump to be arrested ???
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 05:43 PM
Feb 2022

Just kidding I already know the answer, NEVER !!!

The "justice system" in this country is a cruel evil joke.

Justice matters.

(6,939 posts)
12. I only can guess there must be an "official" procedure to follow for that.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 06:08 PM
Feb 2022

If so, it would mean the orange Russian mole didn't follow it (anyone surprised?)

NotHardly

(1,062 posts)
13. Fine... all well and good... however...
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 06:43 PM
Feb 2022

And what, in the name of delay delay and delay, is the Justice Department going to do that would be any different than the inertia already on display?

Historic NY

(37,452 posts)
15. But her damn emails....
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 06:54 PM
Feb 2022

boxes of classified stuff. We need a Benghazi style Committee to go over those classified files.

Meanwhile, the press is like Bueller.

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
16. Those are the boxes they found.
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 06:54 PM
Feb 2022

I'm sure the Orange Pig has more boxes stored in other places with the country's crown jewels contained within.

Trump is going to need money, and he's going to need it quickly. What else would he have to trade for large amounts of cash at a moments notice? A gold plated crapper? 55 gal. drums of bronzing spray? Ivanka?

This traitor would give foreign countries our state secrets without a blink of an eye. And I imagine he will.

slightlv

(2,828 posts)
17. If we gets away with mishandling and/or destroying
Fri Feb 18, 2022, 07:54 PM
Feb 2022

classified documents, then I think we need to push for Reality Winner to be absolved of her crime. This whole thing of two justice systems -- one for the rich and powerful and one for the rest of us has got to stop. And with Trump, it's so pathetically obvious.
We've got people in jail right now who've done so much less than Trump and those in his inner circle. I truly think they should be let out, at least on parole, if Trump and his inner circle are simply slapped on the wrist. The "justice" system we have in this country needs to be reformed from the bottom to the top. Pull it out by the roots and start over again. This one ain't working for 99% of the country!

maxrandb

(15,347 posts)
19. I was a Security Manager during two of my Navy tours
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 12:07 AM
Feb 2022

They would have thrown me under Leavenworth if I had done something like this.

It doesn't matter that he "was" President. The second Joe Biden took office, Donnie Dipshit lost the authority to classify or declassify shit.

This stuff is taken seriously...at least it used to be.

How were the documents transported? In a fucking moving van?

Were they properly secured for the entire trip to Moron-Lago?

Who has access to them?

People have gone to jail for this. Careers have been ruined for this. Solders, Sailors, Airman and Marines have died because this stuff has ended up in the wrong hands.

Heads should roll for this.

Slammer

(714 posts)
20. embezzlement
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 12:43 AM
Feb 2022

In my opinion, it is very unfortunate that they found classified documents among the stolen documents.

Look at it this way:

1) Each document which Trump had sole possession of is a violation of the Freedom of Information Act. Him having it is a one year in jail sentence according to the FOIA because the government didn't have it to respond to potential FOIA requests.

2) Each document which Trump had sole possession of is a violation of federal embezzlement law. Him having it is a one year in jail sentence per document. And there is at least 15 boxes of documents in question.

3) Each document which Trump had sole possession of is a violation of the Presidential Records Act. I looked up the specifics of FOIA and federal embezzlement law but haven't yet done it for the Presidential Records Act. If it were instead the National Records Act, which covers non-presidential records, there would be a one year jail sentence per document.

So basically there's at a minimum of two years in jail per document plus whatever the penalty is for the Presidential Records Act. There's people in federal prisons at this very moment for having sole possession of their work documents and they're there for FOIA, embezzlement, and violating the National Records Act. Slam dunk.

Okay so what's wrong with adding classified documents to the list?

Basically it's because that's all anyone will talk about. Instead of prosecuting Trump for the laws we know for sure he violated, everyone (media and feds) will go off down a classified records argument rabbit hole.

The president can classify and declassify documents at will. His defenders the media will argue that it's perfectly okay for him to have those documents because he declassified them.

There's no set procedure for a president to follow to declassify documents so there's no real way to prove whether he declassified them then just never got around to striking out the "Classified" label across the top of the document.

Everyone, eventually, is going to completely disregard the fact that according to federal law that Trump embezzled the documents and everything will descend into a morass of arguing about classification issues which may or may not ever amount to anything.

The public understands embezzlement. If we make the argument "Trump embezzled from the federal government" we can demonstrate that to the public because we have video of the government retrieving embezzled items from the president's home.

You can't spin "embezzlement is in reality a good thing" or "a president is allowed to embezzle from the government". And people, even true believers, wouldn't swallow that if you tried.


Federal embezzlement statute
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/641

tonekat

(1,817 posts)
22. Desperate Donny
Sat Feb 19, 2022, 03:36 PM
Feb 2022

Probably wanted to charge agents from Pakistan, NK, Russia and China to come and have a nice look-see at those documents. Copying services available for a nominal fee.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
25. Nothing will come of this.
Sun Feb 20, 2022, 12:40 AM
Feb 2022

The FG will just claim he had no knowledge of it and the "help" made a mistake. To make a case someone would have to rat him out.
Besides, we already know how chickenshit the DOJ is when it comes to prosecuting political big wheels if they are Republicans. Hell the R in office killed more than million and threw several trillion down the drain for a campaign stunt.

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