Manchin will vote with Senate GOPers to scrap Biden's biz vax mandate

[discocrisco01]

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by Spazito (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: New York Post

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) said Thursday that he would join all 50 of his Republican colleagues in backing a resolution challenging President Biden’s vaccine mandate for private business.

“Let me be clear, I do not support any government vaccine mandate on private businesses,” Manchin said in a statement. “That’s why I have cosponsored and will strongly support a bill to overturn the federal government vaccine mandate for private businesses.”

Manchin added that the federal government should “incentivize, not penalize” private businesses to get their employees inoculated, while noting that “I have personally had both vaccine doses and a booster shot and I continue to urge every West Virginian to get vaccinated themselves.”

Read more: https://nypost.com/2021/12/03/manchin-will-vote-with-senate-gopers-to-nix-bidens-vax-mandate/

[gab13by13]

1. The bill goes no where

the House shoots it down. No negative comments from me against a "Democrat."

[SCantiGOP]

6. Might be indicative that you put the word Democrat in quotes

I fully realize that he is the only type of Dem who stands a chance of winning anything in WV, and that we would not control the Senate without him, but damn he and Sinema have sure kept us from capitalizing on Biden's win and the huge upsets pulled in the Georgia Senate seats.

[groundloop]

14. All true. Sure would be nice if he'd at least support voting rights though.

Without getting control of GQP gerrymandering we're fucked for at least the next decade.

HOWEVER, as already mentioned, this bill has zero chance of making it through the House. My guess is that Manchin is doing this to gain political points in W. Va.

[LakeVermilion]

2. Well, aside from his standing on Build Back Better, I think we have found the absolute middle in the

US Senate.

We are just plain lucky that we got the infrastructure bill through. In fact, had the Republicans turned their back on that, Manchin would probably negotiate that down in size too.

I'm just amazed that he aligns with Democrats. We truly have a big tent.

[lapucelle]

7. There were Democrats who "turned their backs" on the infrastructure bill.

Joe Manchin was not among them.

[ColinC]

11. You are speaking of one infrastructure bill.

But how bout the other?

[lapucelle]

15. What other infrastructure bill would that be?

The House passed a version of a bill. It went to the Senate. The Senate hasn't voted on its version of the bill yet. When it does, it will go back to the House. Who will vote for or against the final version is anybody's guess.

I'm talking about the infrastructure bill that was signed by President Biden and has been enacted into law.

There were Democrats who turned their backs on that bill.

[ColinC]

16. Why hasn't the senate voted on its' version of the bill yet?

I have a hunch it has a lot to do with Manchin stating he clearly will not vote for it, and the Senate will not bring up a vote they know will fail. Just because he votes 99% of the time with Democrats, doesn't actually mean he supports their agenda. Since much of their agenda doesn't even make it to a floor vote because of the likes of Manchin.

[lapucelle]

21. Senators Menendez and Sanders are working on a fix for the SALT exemption. N/T

[BradAllison]

53. Quite a way of framing it

[lapucelle]

60. The "framing" is a clear, simple statement of a fact. N/T

[TiberiusB]

50. False narrative

The Democrats in the House who voted "no" on the infrastructure bill did so as a protest against the deeply flawed strategy to capitulate to intransigent corporate Democrats in the Senate who wanted to go back on a promise made by them, Biden, and Pelosi to pass the Infrastructure bill and the Reconciliation bill (BBB) at the same time. The House Democrats rightly feared that without their leverage in holding up the incredibly corporate friendly infrastructure bill, the BBB would simply languish and ultimately perish. That, or it would be larded up with more tax breaks and corporate sweeteners, ala the SALT tax break.

Since then, Manchin has consistently come up with excuse after excuse about why he can't vote on the bill, ranging from inflation to the new Covid variant, Omicron.

Actively undermining passage of major legislation like the voting rights bill, opposing reforming the filibuster, or stalling progress on BBB doesn't win you a medal for voting in favor of lesser bills. Openly opposing action on climate change, parental leave, any kind of student debt relief, or, now, federal vaccine mandates (Oh, but he's okay with just hacking it down to only cover federal employees!...What a guy!)

Remember, he still isn't good with reforming or eliminating the filibuster, despite delivering a significantly watered down voting rights bill that STILL couldn't win over a single republican.

Why some people defend this disaster and are instead openly hostile toward House members who clearly are fighting not only for Biden's stated agenda, but for the poor and working class, is beyond me.

[lapucelle]

61. Noting that not all Democrats voted for BIF is a statement of fact, not a narrative.

Noting that Joe Manchin was not among them is another statement of fact.




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Creating narratives involves spinning facts into stories. While partisans and politicians may be doing just that, I am not.

As for telling stories, several craven politicians who voted against BIF went home during the Thanksgiving recess and tried to grab credit for the funding that will be coming into their districts. That is neither a framing nor a narrative. It's out and out dishonesty. Politicians who do things like that are not worthy of public trust.

[George II]

69. Yes, I noticed that - one of the House Democrats who voted against the infrastructure bill is now...

...taking credit for bringing $millions into the district for infrastructure!

[lapucelle]

71. The credit grabbing may be based on a technicality.

Grant applications were filed in September by both Democrats and Republicans. The funding mechanism for the grants was included in BIF. Some politicians filed applications for the grants and then voted against funding them.

"I deserve credit because I filed an application" is nothing but self-serving if the politician voted against the bill that provides the actual money that funds the grants.

Unfortunately, there's nothing surprising about self-interested politicians trying to have it both ways.

[George II]

67. Being a member of Congress and voting AGAINST the better interests of one's constituents.....

....as a "protest vote" is not the way to legislate or govern.

Maybe I'm naive, so could you please define what "corporate Democrats" are?

Also, perhaps you can explain how two bills can be voted upon and passed "at the same time". From my years of following Congress both the House and Senate can conduct only one vote at a time, there have never been concurrent votes in either chamber.

By the way, I've been retired for 9 years now and the "SALT tax break" would help me and tens of millions of other middle-class Americans. It's certainly not a "corporate sweetener" for any of us.

[BumRushDaShow]

17. There have been a "quieter" group who don't showboat like Manchin

who have pushing back on some of the things.

Including people like Chris Coons, Angus King, Jon Tester and others. For example on the discussions around SALT - https://bangordailynews.com/2021/12/01/news/nation/angus-king-among-those-trying-to-rein-in-proposed-democratic-tax-break-for-high-earners/

It's all the "sausage-making"...

[ColinC]

19. Thing is, if we just had to worry about them, and them alone, i'm pretty sure we would have had a

floor vote by now

[BumRushDaShow]

32. Not necessarily

Like I said, there is a group of "moderates" who are behind the scenes who are decidedly more "fiscally conservative" than others among the Democratic caucus but at least they are willing to work to try to come up with some alternate solutions to what is bothering them rather than showing up on Faux Snooze to get face time for fundraising.

I always like to reference this nifty chart - https://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?x=16&y=1&house=senate&party=&sort=crucial-lifetime&order=down

And if you scroll down, you will see the ranked list of who I'm talking about (and their Progressive "grade letter rating" (bolded) - I edited out some categories below for simplicity) -

38 Murphy, Chris CT "C"
39 Kaine, Tim VA "C"
40 Coons, Chris DE "D"
41 Bennet, Michael CO "D"
42 Shaheen, Jeanne NH "C"
43 Feinstein, Dianne CA "F"
44 Hassan, Maggie NH "D"
45 Tester, Jon MT "B"
46 Warner, Mark VA "F"
47 Carper, Tom DE "F"
48 King, Angus I ME "F"
49 Sinema, Kyrsten AZ "F"
50 Manchin, Joe WV "F"

Manchin and Sinema are at the bottom of the list and most vocal but that group just above them are just as involved in the whittle down process.

[ColinC]

37. We need more Senate seats.

If we had 54 we may still be in a similar debacle, but I really don't think it would be close to as bad.

[BumRushDaShow]

38. Yeah we do

Am hoping and crossing fingers that we can take Toomey's (soon to be open) seat here in PA next year and put John Fetterman in there.

And agree that if we had a few to spare, we would have wiggle room to let the showboaters showboat but still get some things done. In the past, the GOP had done that with Collins and Murkowski and a couple others. But Turtle has been making sure his caucus gets whipped into lockstep.

[George II]

78. I've used that site many times, but mostly for a comparison of currently seated Senators or....

...Representatives.

I also concentrate more on the votes in the current session, not lifetime votes. To me that gives a better comparison than lifetime votes.

Times have changed over the years, and what is considered "progressive" (which in many cases a misnomer anyway, and in some cases those who call themselves "progressives" have shown little to no "progress" while in office) in 2021 wasn't back 10 years ago or more. Plus, it's a relative assessment of how each member voted on the same legislation, a much fairer comparison.

An extreme example is Patrick Leahy. In the current session on all votes he gets a 100% rating, and also get 100% for crucial votes. He's tied for #1.

Change that to lifetime overall and crucial votes, and he drops down to #29 (overall) and #27 (crucial).

On the other hand a Senator who has only been in office for a few months, Alex Padilla, is #1 for "lifetime" for overall votes and #1 "lifetime" for crucial votes.

The difference is that Leahy has participated in perhaps tens of thousands of votes in his career, Padilla only a few hundred.

Another site that I use (and get criticized for doing so) is this one: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/

This rates how a member votes with respect to the Biden agenda and compared to fellow members in the House and Senate.

However, all of this is subject to interpretation, either objectively or subjectively, by the individual.

[BumRushDaShow]

79. Oh yeah I agree

there are a number of them who have been in there for a long time - under both Democratic and Republican Presidents and party control in their respective chambers.

I know outside of Biden, who would have been the longest-serving member of the Senate had he stayed there (exceeding even Leahy), Leahy certainly has been part and party to many thousands of votes vs a Warnock or Ossoff, who are definitely freshman.

Since the first year for both this President and this class of Congress hasn't even finished yet, the true test has yet to be seen.

It's a shame that this country had gotten to such a low point where there ended up being a need to push so hard to reverse 4 years of a nightmare in less than a year, so we are fortunate to see such a competent staff behind the scenes who were literally ready to go "BEFORE day one", who have worked hard to make it so. I think what has been accomplished so far has been incredible.

The sad part is that some have a skewed perspective at actually how long Biden has been in office as President, which is 11 months. I suppose that is due to him having been around as VP under Obama for 8 years, but the roles are completely different. So there is a level of impatience being continually expressed while the standard bureaucratic process is underway, and that to me is what is frustrating - basically the lack of knowledge of Civics 101.

[True Blue American]

81. One honest Republicancould knock Manchin off his pole.

[ShazamIam]

13. which Democratic turned their back on the infrastructrue bill? This is a discussion about the Senate

vote. If you are referring to the House vote, yes 6 D Nos and 13 R yes, It allowed a show of bipartisanship and allowed some Dem conscious vote. Their votes did not change the outcome.

[lapucelle]

18. Wait...what? Why is this a discussion about a Senate vote?

No Democrat in the Senate voted against the infrastructure bill.

And no Democrat in the Senate voted with the Republicans on their amendment last night.

[ShazamIam]

27. what was your point?

[lapucelle]

34. There were Democrats who "turned their backs" on the infrastructure bill.

Joe Manchin was not among them.

[ShazamIam]

64. I see anger in that and you are mixing House and Senate.

[lapucelle]

66. What does that even mean? No Senate Democrats voted against BIF.

Six House Democrats did vote against BIF. There's nothing either mixed up or "angry" about that statement of fact.

[TiberiusB]

51. Deflection

Clearly discussing the fact that it's the Senate that is holding up the BBB and gutting it's major progressive elements is counter to the "Manchin is a saint" nonsense narrative.

Must...deflect...discussion...to...the...House...

Progressives trying to actually deliver on Democratic administration promises are the REAL problem.

[ShazamIam]

63. I went to sleep wondering why the comment triggered me, and realize it was the anger, when those

votes are about Congressional politics, not partisan politics. and knew I wasn't capable of explaining, Congressional politics vs party politics within Congress.

[lapucelle]

65. The impasse has little (if anything) to do with Manchin. It's Sanders and Menendez.

Senate ‘SALT’ consensus elusive as budget bill vote approaches
By Laura Weiss and Lindsey McPherson
Posted December 1, 2021 at 7:17am

Senate Democrats are at an impasse on how to address the current $10,000 cap on deducting state and local taxes, leaving a meeting Tuesday [November 30] without consensus on how to handle the issue in their $2.2 trillion budget reconciliation bill.

“SALT” deduction proponent Sen. Bob Menendez, D-N.J., and critic Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., have been working on a plan to extend the cap past its 2025 expiration and add an income-based exemption. But their efforts hit a snag this week over disagreement on the income level at which limits should begin, and over whether it should generate revenue to fund other priorities in the social safety net and climate package.

https://www.rollcall.com/2021/12/01/senate-salt-consensus-elusive-as-budget-bill-vote-approaches/

I find publications like Roll Call a more reliable source of information about what's going on in the legislative branch than twitter and facebook.

[ShazamIam]

70. Difference of opinions and I disagree that Sanders and Mendez are holding it up.

[lapucelle]

72. The fact that there is an impasse due to SALT negotiations is not an opinion. N/T

[ShazamIam]

74. The comment I first replied to was about 6 House Democratic votes and what I perceived as

strongly angry. I found the level of anger unsettling and reacted. It was that simple.

[lapucelle]

75. Where is there any "anger" in the simple statement of two facts?

Where is there a level of anger that is "unsettling" in this post?

[ShazamIam]

76. Still looks angry to me.

[lapucelle]

77. The perception of anger in non-angry expressions is an interesting phenomena

that has been investigated by scientists.

[George II]

86. My professional opinion is that the "perception of anger" is an issue for the perceiver, not you.

[lapucelle]

89. There are peer reviewed studies by behavioral scientists that confirm your professional opinion. N/T

[George II]

80. Sanders is holding up the bill in the same manner as Manchin has been accused of holding it up.

[Bayard]

3. That's a load of crap

Every person in this country has been incentivized like crazy. The carrot has not worked. Its past time to bring out the hammer.

Manchin looks like a lost cause.

[SCantiGOP]

8. What hammer will work on Manchin?

Kick him out of the party? Senate would then immediately go over to McConnell and the rest of the Trump party.

[lapucelle]

4. Last night, Mancchin voted with Democrats against a GOP amendment to eliminate this mandate.

Senate clears Feb. 18 stopgap funding bill, averts shutdown
Senate GOP holdouts relent after vote on vaccine amendment

Several GOP senators said they wanted a simple majority vote on their amendment to bar funding for an Occupational Safety and Health Administration rule requiring businesses with at least 100 workers to ensure they are fully vaccinated or tested regularly. The rule is currently on hold pending litigation at the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit.

The amendment would have also barred federal funds from enforcing vaccine requirements for federal employees, federal contractors, health care workers and the military. The requirement for health care workers is under a court challenge.

"All we ask for is an up-or-down vote," Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, said in a floor speech Thursday. "It would take 15 minutes."

snip===============================================================

The vote on a similar Marshall amendment was 50-50 in late September. The earlier amendment, offered before the OSHA mandate was finalized, would have covered any regulation promulgated by the Biden administration except those covering federal workers.

One of those "no" votes in September was Sen. Joe Manchin III, D-W.Va. Manchin on Thursday expressed some concern with the vaccine rule, however.

snip==============================================================

While supportive of similar requirements for federal workers and the military, Manchin told reporters he was "less enthused" about a private sector mandate.

Ultimately, Manchin voted against the more expansive Marshall amendment offered Thursday night. But he signed onto a resolution from Sen. Mike Braun, R-Ind., that would overturn the OSHA vaccine rule under Congressional Review Act authorities, which only require a simple majority to pass the Senate.

Manchin would be the 51st vote, but the resolution would still have to pass the Democrat-controlled House and be signed into law, which is unlikely.

https://www.rollcall.com/2021/12/02/deal-reached-on-feb-18-stopgap-bill-senate-timing-uncertain/

[LenaBaby61]

28. Thing is, that if he doesn't vote for a voting rights act ...

OSHA and everything Dems have done will be overturned by the GQP US Taliban Party if they can successfully steal the congress, senate and White House.

We'll be on par with broke ass russia, by having a GQP authoritarian president for LIFE like they do over there. In other words, America will exist no more.

[lapucelle]

36. Joe Manchin is a co-sponsor of Amy Klobuchar's Freedom to Vote Act (S.2747)

https://bit.ly/3lyefg0

[George II]

84. Hmmm, so who isn't a co-sponsor?

[LenaBaby61]

90. I'm sorry, but I STILL don't trust him as far as I could throw the Empire State Building.

On Monday he says one thing, his corporate oil masters tell him to back off of what he said, then on Tuesday he backs WAY off of what he said on Monday

He promised that he could get 10 GQP'ers to support him on the Voting Rights Bill.

The idiot got NADA to support him.

[rockfordfile]

5. Clearly he supports Americans dying from covid.

[totodeinhere]

26. That is not clear at all. I personally support the President's mandate proposals. But I think

there can be a legitimate argument over whether imposing a mandate is the most effective way to tackle this problem. And as much as I disagree with Manchin on many issues, I doubt very seriously if he actually supports Americans dying from Covid. Why would he? Or maybe you were just being sarcastic and not literal. I hope so.

[LiberalFighter]

9. Manchin is a danger to society.

I wonder how many of his WV have died because of Covid?

[róisín_dubh]

57. A decent amount, almost 4900...

in a small state with a ridiculously unhealthy population (I live here). I'm relatively young (44), very healthy, boosted (plus I had COVID in July), and I STILL wear a mask everywhere. And I get looks for it.

Manchin sucks. I despise him. But he's literally the best this godforsaken hell-hole can do.

[ColinC]

10. So he's actively cosponsoring a bill to overturn a key part of the Biden agenda?

Tell me again how Manchin is a strong supporter of Biden's agenda?

[lapucelle]

24. Nate Silver has a continuously updated tally.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/

[Salviati]

30. This metric is really useless in todays senate.

Hardly anything is going to be brought to the floor unless it will pass, and it's not going to pass unless pretty much every democrat signs on for it. It's not that Manchin is rising to clear a high bar, it's that the bar has been lowered so that he can clear it.

Granted, I'd rather have him inside the tent, rather than outside it, but one should not use bad metrics to make him out to be a stronger democrat than he is.

[lapucelle]

33. Manchin rates 100% in voting with President Biden.

If the contention that the bar was lowered so that Manchin could clear it were true, then all the other Senate Democrats and the two independents who caucus with us would also be at 100%.

They're not.

[Polybius]

46. That's not how it works

He blocks the good stuff so he doesn't have to vote against anything, hence the 100% fake "voting with Biden" record.

[lapucelle]

68. Nate Silver is a data scientist, and his conclusions are evidence-based.

Asserting that facts and data are "100% fake" doesn't change them.

[Polybius]

85. No, I didn't say it wasn't true

It's just slick true. He does (did?) vote 100% of the time. But that's completely irrelevant since before the bill comes up for a vote, he takes out the good stuff.

Also, remember when Biden nominated Neera Tanden for a cabinet post? Manchin was against it. Since Biden only had 49 votes, he pulled the nomination. Since she never came up for a vote, he kept the fake 100% voting record. So seeing DUers say "Manchin votes with Biden 100%" may be technically true, but it's extremely misleading and not an honest thing to post.

[a kennedy]

12. and my I say, I DESPISE him??? 🤬 🤬 🤬

Oh wait, I TOTALLY DESPISE HIM.

[myohmy2]

20. let me be clear...

...can't we just buy a republican or two, they respond to money...stop playing around...

...we need to get creative and serious about passing the much needed legislation Americans desire and deserve...

...time's a wastin' and everyone's watchin'...

...can we deliver?

...we need a smaller carrot and a bigger stick...

[BlueIdaho]

22. I support Democrats

ManChin? Pfffft.

[onecaliberal]

23. I fixed it for you.

“Let me be clear, I do not support saving lives with any government vaccine mandate on private businesses,”

[Galraedia]

25. NY Post? No thanks.

[brush]

29. Of course he will.

[Jacson6]

35. Don't ya know that the constitution is a suicde pact?

[jalan48]

39. Of course he does because that's what those poor folks in WVA want--that's the official line

[NullTuples]

40. s/b: "all 50 of his fellow Republican colleagues"

[Rebl2]

41. Big surprise

What an asshole. Incentives don’t work-at least not in my state.

[Takket]

42. I don't know why people keep referring to this as a "mandate"

it is no such thing. Employees in companies over 100 people had the freedom of choice to either get vaccinated, or get tested once a week. The number of people required and forced to get vaccinated to keep their jobs is exactly ZERO.

[rainin]

43. Scrap all vaccine mandates and see if he changes his tune. n/t

[Lunabell]

44. When will Manchin support the president?

If ever.

[lapucelle]

45. Nate Silver: Does Your Member Of Congress Vote With Or Against Biden?

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-congress-votes/

[Lunabell]

48. Oh please.

He votes for watered down versions of bills he helped torpedo. That's NOT supporting the president!!

[TiberiusB]

52. It's a profoundly stupid metric

Manchin could simply restrict his votes to only those bills he wants to pass or knows won't pass and he'll get points for the futile gesture, thus ensuring a high "votes with Biden" score.

Meanwhile, he drags out negotiations on critical legislation to avoid a "no" vote while watering it down incessantly, pushing us ever closer to a 2022 bloodbath.

But no votes were taken, so his flawless record stands!

HE'S A HERO!

Because West Virginia! (a state he almost lost last round, and will be insignificant if all the voter suppression and GOP voting shenanigans are left on the law books across the country, but whatever...)

The "must defend Manchin" pretzel logic is a sight to behold.

[George II]

96. So then, since you claim he does it, how many votes has Manchin missed since January?

[George II]

99. I'll answer my own question - of 479 votes this year Manchin has missed a whopping TEN...

Obviously he's not restricting his votes to only those bills he wants to pass. He's actually got one of the best records of all Senators with respect to showing up for votes.

[TiberiusB]

105. Ah, strawmen...

I never said he missed any votes at all, actually. I pointed out how the "votes with Biden" metric could be manipulated.

You completely skipped over the relevant bit about him dragging out negotiations on the BBB bill, or his refusal to reform the filibuster, which are a tiny bit more important than "votes with Biden" when he prevents the Senate from voting on the bill at all (well, him and a group of others).

Perhaps everyone should be angry at Chuck Schumer for not simply holding a vote in the Senate. Let's see how Manchin and Sinema do when their "votes with Biden" record is actually on the line.

[lapucelle]

62. Nate Silver is a data scientist whose conclusions are evidence-based.

Actual data trumps agenda-based assertions, especially when they are unsupported by any evidence.

[Lunabell]

49. Oh, look at this, surprise, surprise, surprise!

https://www-nytimes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/11/21/us/politics/manchin-sinema-republican-donors.amp.html?amp_js_v=a6&_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16385903779206&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&_tf=From%20%251%24s&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2021%2F11%2F21%2Fus%2Fpolitics%2Fmanchin-sinema-republican-donors.html

Republicans just love them some Democrats like Manchin!

[lapucelle]

82. There's nothing surprising about a divisive opinion piece in a national newspaper.

It seems like pundits like Vogel and Kelly will not be happy until they flip those two senate seats red.

The "story" also notes Democratic donor support for Lynn Cheney.

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Here's a direct link to the NYT opinon article without the hinky cdn.ampproject.org google analytics filter. Clickbait headlines are bad enough without that extra layer of manipulation.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/21/us/politics/manchin-sinema-republican-donors.html

[Lunabell]

91. I think you're backing the wrong horse.

I'm willing to bet he switches parties before his next election.

[lapucelle]

92. Joe Manchin is a Democrat.

And he's a Democrat who knows how to win in Trump +60 territory. Folks have been "willing to bet that he switches parties" for several years now. And they've been wrong every time.

[Lunabell]

93. Well, that's part of the problem.

His messaging is off and he wins elections instead of spreading Democratic values by reaching out to voters.

[George II]

97. He wins elections in West Virginia. Do you know of ANY other Democrat who could win in WV?

[Lunabell]

100. Another Democrat could if the party backed them.

If our real message got out, people would vote for a different kind of Democrat. One who supports the president and his goals for this country. Manchin does not support President Biden when he doesn't bring his constituents into the party. He's great at winning elections, but not good at carrying messages to the people.

[George II]

101. Any suggestions? The party has backed EVERY Democratic Senate candidate.....

That's a pretty strong accusation - what Democratic Senate candidate haven't they supported?

[Lunabell]

102. No suggestions as to whom.

Just a thought that someone in that state could do a much better job of exciting the people to understand the Democratic party and Biden's vision for the country. Instead of thwarting the president's programs until he gets what he wants.

Just hoping that somebody there can be more of a leader.

[George II]

103. So, find someone better but you don't know who it might be. Fact is, in my opinion, there isn't one.

[Lunabell]

104. I guess we'll see.

I really hope he is primaried with a candidate who is more supportive of Joe Biden's agenda.

[lapucelle]

98. It's not a problem that Joe Manchin is a lifelong Democrat who knows how to win elections

in his very red state, and it stands to reason that any Democrat who can win a senate seat under those circumstances is extremely skilled at messaging.

[Martin68]

47. Putz!

[vercetti2021]

54. Fuck this guy!

Report me. Don't care.

[monkeyman1]

55. same here ! sick of his bull shit ! a damn coal barron !

[Mike Nelson]

56. Bad move...

... Joe should call Joe and ask if there is support. If there is none, don't bring it up... find out what can be done. Work on Build Back Better... work on voting rights... why are we wasting time on a loss? We just had a win... let's caulk up another.

[orangecrush]

58. And the wingnut agenda rolls on

I am so sick of this shit.

[Deminpenn]

59. The amendment failed and Manchin

voted with his party.

https://news.yahoo.com/roger-marshall-gop-senators-looming-224226572.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

[zanana1]

73. I don't know why we keep expecting different.

It's always a big disappointment when he votes with the GOP.
We should know that when he goes home every day he unzips and steps out of his Democrat suit.

[George II]

83. Reading the fine print, the "bill" is actually a "resolution of disapproval", and must be passed....

...by the Senate AND the House and survive a Presidential veto.

President Biden will not be put in a position to have to veto it.

I see discussion in this thread about the BBB, hinting that this is part of it. In fact it is not.

[lapucelle]

88. Manchin voted against the measure as an amendment in the stopgap funding bill.

There is discussion here concerning BBB that demonstrates that folks are getting their "news" via twitter rather than reliable sources.

[DallasNE]

87. A Symbolic Vote

Will Schumer even bring it to the floor? It won't pass the House and even if it did it would meet a certain veto. So, let him have his fun.

[Spazito]

106. *LOCKING*

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