Donald Trump defends calls to hang Mike Pence during Capitol riot

[sabra]

Source: JPost

Former US president Donald Trump defended his supporters who during the January 6 Capitol riot threatened to hang then-vice president Mike Pence, Axios reported on Friday.

The comments were made in an interview with Trump in Mar-a-Lago back in March by Jonathan Karl for his new book, Betrayal, which is slated for release next week.

...

Regarding the chants to hang Pence, Trump justified it by saying "well, the people were very angry."

When Karl continued by saying "They were saying 'hang Mike Pence,'" Trump replied that "it's common sense."

Read more: https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/donald-trump-defends-calls-to-hang-mike-pence-during-capitol-riot-684830

[groundloop]

1. And yet Pence refused to even talk about invoke the 25th Amendment

[LenaBaby61]

10. The GQP US Taliban Party would have just said "tRump was just making a funny."

When he said that.

These GQP US Talibaner's are getting more blood-thirsty by the MINUTE like their idol putin.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

40. Went looking for that, instead found self-described Deplorables' commentary

Thread titled: "Exclusive audio: Trump defends threats to "hang" Pence
Axios ^ | 11/12/21 | Mike Allen

Why even post this garbage?
Because this is an open message board, and it is important to see what our enemies, and the seditionists are saying.
11 posted on 2021-11-12, by The_Media_never_lie (If the votes are a lie, they must de cert i fy!)

The only thing that will fix the US is a strongman.

As much as I hate to say it, our Constitutional Republic is dead and has been for some time now. Law enforcement is arbitrary. The inner workings of government are hidden from us. The FBI, CIA, NSA have been weaponized against the people.
Someone needs to seize power and set things straight by force.

I am not one of those who put “democracy” above liberty. I would much rather have a benevolent dictator tell me I can do what I want as long as I don’t hurt others than I would have a vote on whether I am allowed to live as a free human.
35, 39, 55 posted on 2021-11-12, by nitzy

(One poster objected to nitzy)

Dear Trump: STOP TALKING TO THE ANTICHRIST MEDIA!
48 posted on 2021-11-12 by cowboyusa (America Cowboy up! )

Trump is still the President. He never left. Biden has been allowed to assume an administrative role to showcase how bad it would be if things were run poorly.

For all those folks who have not woken up. Trump just announced that he sent his envoy Ric Grenell to Kosovo the other day regarding the Abraham Accords. Mike Pompeo announced that he looks forward to working with Younkin. Mark Meadows remarks that Trump is holding regular cabinet meetings. Trump continues to ride around openly in a full presidential motorcade with ambulance.

Listen to Trump’s speech from Maralago the other night. Note the names of the people he gives shout outs to. Guys like Ratcliffe, Whitaker, Gen Berger. Then the last thing he does is thank “our wonderful first lady”. Present tense. This is what devolution looks like.

50 posted on 2021-11-12, by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)

[wnylib]

24. A few possible reasons for it.

1. After having his life threatened by Trump's rage, he didn't want to risk enraging him again.

Or

2. He was threatened directly if he acted against Trump.

Or

3. He didn't want to anger Republicans because he wants his own chance at the WH in the future.

OR

4. All of the above.

[Farmer-Rick]

28. 5. He's fine with being hanged.

He could just be such a suck up that he would set himself on fire to keep Trump warm. So, he's just fine if Trump's mob hanged him, if it would help Trump.

[live love laugh]

31. 5 ✔️

[TheRealNorth]

33. He could just be a clueless and full of hubris

Like the Conservative politicians that supported Hitler initially. They never thought that the Nazi's would come for THEM.

[Evolve Dammit]

37. It is groveling, blind loyalty to the mob boss isn't it? Spineless cowards even with their own life

[usaf-vet]

35. # 3. Tells me how delusional Pence is. His chances of ever being the top of an R POTUS ticket are 0

As long as TFG holds the power he does, Pence will never see a national ticket again. If you don't line up with TFG, he will seek revenge on the PENCE gene pool.

Pence's best chances of having any place in a history book is to spill his guts now and help take down the Orange Turd.

He has to know where some of the bodies are buried.

[melm00se]

34. I wish people

would stop acting like the 25th Amendment was some sort of charm or talisman that can remove a president.

here is paragraph 4 of the 25th.

Section 4.
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

So basically Pence (and the majority of the cabinet) can say "not fit" and boom, the president is no longer president right up to the point that the president says "nuh uh...I am fine" and then he is back being president.

While the VP et al could say "nope, still not fit" again, it would then require a 2/3 vote in the House AND a 2/3 vote in the Senate to remove the president.

Tell me again how many votes there were in the House to impeach?
And how many votes there were in the Senate to find him guilty?

Do you honestly think, for a moment, that there would have been enough votes to remove Trump under the 25th Amendment?

[question everything]

54. He could not just "invoke;" he would need the majority of cabinet members

[patphil]

2. It's common sense?

Trump is way deep into his own delusion. There is nothing sensical about this guy.
He's bought his own lie, right down to the point that he believes it's OK for his mob to want to kill the Vice-President. I don't think he would have felt any guilt or remorse if they did...only relief that it would have stopped the certification of the election.

He's absolutely insane.

[PatSeg]

20. I agree

He sold himself on all these lies and yes, he really is "absolutely insane". What is truly horrifying is that so many seemingly sane people continue to follow and support him. Kind of a mass insanity I suppose.

[Slammer]

25. Pence

Who among us hasn't toyed with the concept of "Hang Mike Pence"?

The difference is that rational people never say it out loud. And sane people don't type it out on the internet.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. So scaffolding and hanging in introduced into political discourse

Nice to have an inkling of their agenda for 2025.

Maybe the sane half of society will awaken and prosecute before it's too late?

[Boomerproud]

4. The same have no choice but to stop the craziness.

Some days I want to hide under the sheets and wish it all go away.

[LenaBaby61]

11. THIS 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻

[Evolve Dammit]

39. We can't do a damn thing without AG/DOJ action. They need to lead at this critical juncture.

[MissMillie]

5. Defending the indefensible... nothing new for TFG

Seriously, anything that he or his supporters do is okay, especially if it puts (or keeps) him in power.

[AngryOldDem]

9. Power has always mattered more to Trump than anything else.

Lives, law, the Constitution…don’t matter.

He’s beyond an autocrat or ductator. He’s a very mentally ill man.

[packman]

6. Well, it could have been worse

[Slammer]

26. That's worse? n/t

[SergeStorms]

27. You have to be pretty sick to think that's funny.

I love it!

I love it when people take things to a completely different level. In comedy only, though.

[bronxiteforever]

7. Kick and recommend for visibility.

Heroes are not known by the loftiness of their carriage; the greatest braggarts are generally the merest cowards.
Jean-Jacques Rousseau

The greatest braggart in these times is TFG.

[AngryOldDem]

8. And Pence defended -- and continues to defend -- him.

Christ Almighty, Trump is such a dangerous man and a threat to this country. He extremely mentally ill and needs to be locked up (jail or a psych ward, or both) — not made the leader of his party.

If he makes a comeback in 2024 — which I will never laugh at nor discount given 2015-16 — we are truly done.

For fuck’s sake, Pence. This man could have gotten you and your family killed, and he wants nothing to do with you now. Why the allegiance to this shitstain?

[LenaBaby61]

13. Shows me that Pence is .....

52 cards away from having ANY damn deck.

IF somebody like Dan Quayle told him he was crazy for even thinking about stealing the 2020 election, you know the GQP US Talibaner's have jumped not only the shark but the whole of any ocean.

This country is in SERIOUS trouble, and sinking by the day the longer crazy45 is not at least indicted. Bannon's going around making fun of Merrick Garland during his speaking engagements, and talking about taking "OUR" country back. Smelly/alcoholic Bannon and insane tRump--still out here living there best lives, free as two fat birds.

[TheRealNorth]

49. Yup

If Trump gets back into office, Bannon will have Merrick Garland swinging from a tree like the rest of us that refuse to "bend the knee."

[Evolve Dammit]

41. never seen a bigger suck up than Pence. Maybe he thinks he would go to glory? Insanity.

Maybe actual death is just a way to rapture or reward. Go for it Mikey.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

12. If he could sell tickets, tRump would torture his own kids in the public square.

After all, he's made massive profits off the pandemic and The Big Lie.

Donald the Terrible......

[Stuart G]

14. As has been said before:...."THIS IS THE SMOKING GUN"...&, .That's All Folkes..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

........You can't make this up...? Can You?.... I am glad that the fool said this. ....Totally proves Trump is NUTS......

.............Trump did this to Trump..........NO ONE ELSE TO BLAME ......TRUMP CONVICTED HIMSELF.......

[Orrex]

15. Such a thoughtful figure would surely never abuse executive privilege

[Botany]

16. TFG, "You can either go down in history as a patriot or you can go down in history as a pussy."

TFG to Pence prior to 1/6/21, “You can either go down in history as a patriot or you can go down in history
as a pussy.” TFG was hoping for so much violence and bloodshed that very well could have been the cold
blooded murder of Mike Pence and Speaker Pelosi so he could martial law and suspend the results of the election
because he knew that out of office he would be prosecuted both criminally and civilly.

Trump and company need to be held accountable for their crimes.

[Evolve Dammit]

42. yes please. Now please. ahem..NOW please

[Botany]

44. We need the Mueller Report released, the truth about 1/6/21 relaeased, and the grand juries in NY...

... & GA to indict his ass. We need to rub the facts in the face of the racist MAGA shits. Even then
25 to 35% of Americans will not care and even see TFG's crimes as being good things.

[Evolve Dammit]

46. yes to all. The last part being the biggest ongoing obstacle to ever being quasi "united".

[Botany]

47. We can not let the minority control the majority.

n/t

[Evolve Dammit]

48. Bannon's indictment may be a good sign, if it doesn't drag on for years

[YoshidaYui]

17. not only is he a flim flam man

he's disgusting as well..

[Stuart G]

18. i Agree, Totally...DISGUSTING, ...DISGUSTING. DISGUSTING...AND ...OF COURSE ...DISGUSTING..!!!!

BUT.........................I am glad that Trump convicted Trump..................Hallelujah !!!!!!!, Hallelujah!!!!


Think about that one.....?? Trump said words that totally convicted Donald Trump..... Halleluah

[monkeyman1]

36. think duffuss just admitted his intent to do bodily harm ? ad to the list !

[PatrickforB]

19. Why that man isn't pacing in a federal prison cell as we speak is beyond me.

Seriously. The guy is a TRAITOR.

[Kid Berwyn]

21. Trump wanted National Guard to protect rioters, NOT Pence and Congress.

Overlooked Shocker:

Trump Acting Defense Secretary Miller Testified Wednesday That Trump Wanted the National Guard to Protect the Insurrectionists, Not the Capitol and Members of Congress!

by Mark Karlin, editor
Buzz flash.com, May 13, 2021

Wednesday marked an inflection point for Trump’s “Big Lie.” However, whether it is the beginning or the end of the gaslighting of America into a totalitarian dictatorship remains to play itself out.

Most notably, the corporate media and many progressive outlets failed to headline the shocking admission by former Trump Acting Defense Secretary Christopher Miller (assigned in the last few weeks of the Trump reign to facilitate the coup attempt). Miller stated matter-of-factly to a Congressional committee that Trump was aware of the need for the National Guard, but that Trump was only interested in having the Guard protect the “Constitutional rights” of the protesters (insurrectionists).

According to Miller, Trump said "do whatever was necessary to protect the demonstrators that were executing their constitutionally protected rights." That’s right, Trump wasn’t interested in protecting elected officials in the Capitol, just his cult followers.



Snip...

McCarthy also made his mark on Wednesday by sending out e-mail donation text requests after a “bipartisan” meeting with President Biden, McConnell and Pelosi that read, "It's Kevin McCarthy. I just met with Corrupt Joe Biden and he's STILL planning to push his radical Socialist agenda onto the American people."

Continues w/ video, links, sausages...

https://buzzflash.com/articles/trump-defense-secretary-tesified-that-trump-wanted-the-national-guard-to-protect-the-protesters

Here’s why we should’ve called witnesses during Trumpeachment II, when we had the chance, before 10 months of Big Lies.

[oldsoftie]

22. Has he EVER admitted being wrong about ANYTHING???? I think not.

Maybe Chris Christie can get under his skin.

[EddieOnTheMesa]

23. Americas Unhung Hero

TFG, truly and pathetically is Americas UnHung Hero.

[peppertree]

30. Thread winner

[peppertree]

29. And Pence, still kisses his big orange derriere

They don't call him Dense Pence for nothing.

[Evolve Dammit]

43. Truly incredubly dense. Or wants to glorify Dog or some other nonsense. "Chosen One" my ass.

These people are bat shit crazy and dangerous. Draped in a flag and carrying a cross.

[live love laugh]

32. I thought/hoped this was satire.☹️

[Ohioboy]

38. The people were told a lie by you, Trump!

[Irish_Dem]

45. The murder of the your Vice President is "common sense."

If this was a psych evaluation, red flags would be flying for involuntary admit.

[BlueWavePsych]

50. K&R

[Deminpenn]

51. Just another example of Trump's personality disorder

driving everything he says and comes to believe.

[kst]

52. Let's be careful about the context

Here's a tweet from the author. It includes an audio recording of the exchange.

Link to tweet

Trump didn't say that hanging Mike Pence was "common sense". What he referred to as "common sense" was the idea that Pence should have refused to certify the election results.

When Jonathan Karl mentioned the "Hang Mike Pence" chant, Trump ignored it, talked over him, and continued what he had been saying about the allegedly fraudulent vote.

TRUMP: Because it's -- it's common sense Jon, it's common sense, that you're supposed to protect. How can you -- if you know a vote is fraudulent, right -- how can you pass on a fraudulent vote to Congress?

Trump made it clear that he wasn't concerned about Pence being harmed, supposedly because he thought Pence was safe. He justified his supporters' actions by saying they were "very angry" -- but he said that before Karl specifically mentioned the "Hang Mike Pence" chant.

Trump ignored the question about the "Hang Mike Pence" chant. He may well have thought it was a good idea. But at least in this interview, he didn't directly support it.

(And I hate defending Donald Trump.)

[area51]

53. And yet Pence is still in love with #DementiaDonnie.